I can't believe nobody asked you yet. W H Y? You personally think that way but why? Whats the reasoning behind the suggestion you're making, OP? Why I shouldn't be allowed to play in wild mode just because of the fact I don't own or I don't want to use older cards? Am I ruining wild players gaming experience by playing with standard cards only and if yes - how? Please, explain yourself. Otherwise the thread just doesnt make sense. I think current state of wild mode is pretty normal and logical. You can use all the cards. You can make basic only deck if you want. Its just you're given the opportunity to choose from standard/wild meta if you use stadard cards only. I don't see any reason to steal this opportunity from the players. I can't even recall meeting standard only decks in wild (i play wild exclusively since 2 months, occasionally before), which makes me even more curious to hear your reasoning why is this a problem to be solved.
I am not the OP. But the fact you can't understand why he made the post is pretty ridiculous. If you think that seeing Standard Jade Druid and Standard Aggro or Jade Shaman on endless repeat is "pretty normal and logical" then your normality and logic is impaired.
OP's point is; "why bother playing Wild mode if you just use tier 1 Standard decks?"
I wish that Wild decks required a minimum of 4 Wild exclusive cards... Then all the idiots who just use Tier 1 net decks wouldn't be able to think of what replacements to make and they might stay in Standard and continue their endless mirror matches.
To all of you stay "Standard cards are wild so I don't know what you are talking about" - I don't understand why all of you would feign stupidity and pretend to not understand him, let alone why you would take time to post that...
I don't understand why some of you think putting this restriction on wild mode would make it less wild. It would make it more wild because no standard copy and paste decks would be in wild, thus creating more decks and creative thought by everyone.
I do, however, understand Blizzard looks at wild like the bad step child no one really cares about and changes will likely never be made to wild.
Personally if I make a deck and it has no wild cards in it, I try to revamp so it at least includes a couple because why play wild if your not going to use any exclusive cards?
Wild meta has its problems and those aren't standard only decks. It's stupid to make problem out of it. I have 300+ matches last season in wild and i find your statement ridiculous - endless repeat of Standard Jade Druid and Standard Aggro? I never experiences something even remotely close to this. At what ranks you meet that endless standard decks? There are guys bring their T1 standard decks into wild just to complete their quests as they're rank 25 there and it is easy to do them, but how is this defining wild meta ffs? Decks with wild cards are much better than standard ones. And this fact is going to be more certain with each rotation. Aggro/egg druid is way more popular druid archetype as I don't even recall meeting jade one in wild. Even pirate warrior is using deaths bite and ships cannon - 4 wild cards. The most popular archetypes are already there and with each release they get more and more refined - that's the essence of wild mode. But they all use wild cards. All of them. Secret/anyfin pal, pirate warr, renolock/mage, aggro sham etc. When in less than a month the rotation hits and TGT, BRM and LOE become wild these decks automatically start use >30% wild only cards what will be your reason to whine?
Wild meta has its problems and those aren't standard only decks. It's stupid to make problem out of it. I have 300+ matches last season in wild and i find your statement ridiculous - endless repeat of Standard Jade Druid and Standard Aggro? I never experiences something even remotely close to this. At what ranks you meet that endless standard decks? There are guys bring their T1 standard decks into wild just to complete their quests as they're rank 25 there and it is easy to do them, but how is this defining wild meta ffs? Decks with wild cards are much better than standard ones. And this fact is going to be more certain with each rotation. Aggro/egg druid is way more popular druid archetype as I don't even recall meeting jade one in wild. Even pirate warrior is using deaths bite and ships cannon - 4 wild cards. The most popular archetypes are already there and with each release they get more and more refined - that's the essence of wild mode. But they all use wild cards. All of them. Secret/anyfin pal, pirate warr, renolock/mage, aggro sham etc. When in less than a month the rotation hits and TGT, BRM and LOE become wild these decks automatically start use >30% wild only cards what will be your reason to whine?
Who is whining? All the decks you mentioned are completely legitimate wild decks and I have no problem with any of them. I also understand that with each rotation wild decks will become more diverse, which is what I am looking forward too.
Also, I am not trying to make a problem out of anything. I was just suggesting a new idea that I thought would make wild better is all. If you don't agree that is fine. The whole point of forums is to discuss things like this.
It is sad that any kind of post like this is automatically taken as someone is bitching and moaning about something, when in reality, I was just curious what other people that and if they had thought of this idea. I know it isn't all that creative, but I have never really seen a discussion on the topic.
Not sure if this is a troll or just really stupid. That would make no sense what so ever. Nobody makes wild decks with only standard cards but if you wanted to go on wild ladder with a standard deck why should that not be allowed?
I would like to hear other people's opinion about this topic.
I personally think if you are playing in wild, that your deck should require either a percentage of wild cards or a certain number of wild cards. Even if it a small amount; say 3 cards. If a deck contains no wild cards, it shouldn't get the wild tag in your deck list slots, and only wild deck list slots should be available to choose from.
Thoughts?
Standard is currently at his all time high regarding the card pool shared with wild. Seven out of nine sets are available in standard. Just by looking at this number it should be obvious that they will look very similar. However I suggest this to be greatly different, once the next rotation hits.
Not gonna happen and how would you even determine how much wild chards should be in the deck?
On the other hand, I must say that it would be nice if there were more wild decks in Wild. In ranks 10-25 at least half of the decks is the same standard crap like in Standard without a single wild card. Why do people even go to wild with such decks is beyond me.
come on man, those are the little thingsd that make ife better, yesterday i got to play against a face hunter with only standard cards while using my Wild mid-range n'zoth hunter, he went face and never traded and as soon as i dropped a Sludge Belcher that was previously buffed by a shaky zip gunner he couldn't stop highlighting the card, he even roped me after me dropping the belcher and he highlighting it like, is this real??, those are the moments that make Wild a lot more fun.
Wild is just that, WILD! Any cards may be used. Besides, there has to be some wild cards to throw in the cancer decks from standard to improve them, right? Haunted Creeper, Dr. Boom, Deathlord, Sludge Belcher
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I would like to hear other people's opinion about this topic.
I personally think if you are playing in wild, that your deck should require either a percentage of wild cards or a certain number of wild cards. Even if it a small amount; say 3 cards. If a deck contains no wild cards, it shouldn't get the wild tag in your deck list slots, and only wild deck list slots should be available to choose from.
Thoughts?
They require. 100% of the cards must be wild. That is, they must contain cards from hearthstone. Usually they do.
I Personnally don't mind playing against pirate warrior, or dragon priests, as long as they have a wild twist in them (cannon, BW tech, etc). At least the player made an effrt, but the Standard pirate warrior or jade Druid, no f..ing no !
The pleasure in Wild, at least for me, is to encounter various decks, not the standard meta. f I want to play / face against those decks, i play in Standard.
I am aware that fixing a threshold of wild cards to be able to play in wild is tricky, and Blizzard will certainly never do this, and this debate is the same as the netdeck one, but please don't come and say things like "all cards are wild", we all know that and this is not the subject of this topic.
The entire point of wild is to have an "anything goes" ruleset. A place where classic secret pally can battle pirate warrior. Or Mech mage can battle kazakus mage. That is the point.
Wrong. Last 15 WIld games I played were 100% standard pre-patch meta. They can't win in Standard and don't have Wild cards and don't want to be get creative. Standard Jade Druid, Standard Jade Rogue, Standard Pirate Warrior, Standard Handbuff N'Zoth (with no Wild cards, idiotically). Standard boring shit that doesn't work anymore in Standard. It's a plague.
Wrong. Last 15 WIld games I played were 100% standard pre-patch meta. They can't win in Standard and don't have Wild cards and don't want to be get creative. Standard Jade Druid, Standard Jade Rogue, Standard Pirate Warrior, Standard Handbuff N'Zoth (with no Wild cards, idiotically). Standard boring shit that doesn't work anymore in Standard. It's a plague.
Yeah, I kind of agree. For every truly unique or old school deck I see in wild I run into several cancerous fuckhead decks. Just because pirate dooshbag warrior plays ships cannon and deaths bite doesn't do shit to make it any more interesting or less annoying. It's still pure cancer. I understand what the OP is getting at. The whole reason I'm playing wild is to avoid the asshole decks. You know, Jade, pirates, and kazakus Reno. So yeah, when we venture to wild to escape the monotonous dreck it does suck when you're matched up against that same shit with just a few different cards. It's the same fucking shit. In wild, I want to see and play against stuff we do NOT get in standard. Like midrange hunter, midrange paladin, tempo mage, secret paladin, control warrior, control priest, mech mage, handlock, midrange shaman with NO jade garbage, ramp Druid, cthun decks, patron warrior, zoo warlock, dragon warlock, and many others. There, I just listed several viable decks that we should be seeing more of in wild. But, instead we get slight variations of the same OP shit as standard. That ruins wild. Duh?
what they could do is simply not allow cards from the most recent expansion into wild. That would at least help. The only people against any of this are probably playing dooshbag decks. Figures. Go back to standard. We don't want you here.
When the new expansion comes out Wild will contain so many decks not in Standard, because most of the most important cards from meta decks rotate out.
So just wait a month then all your wishes come true
Not to mention, the Standard cardpool is at its biggest right now, so it is quite logical that Standard-decks to pretty well right now.
Also remember that Standard decks have been perfected to a much higher level than the wild ones, due to streamers and tournaments.
However, I do understand your disappointment. Many of the most popular wild archetypes right now exist in Standard as well usually with few to no changes, pirate warrior, dragon priest and jade decks. Of wild-only viable archetypes, secret midrange paladin, secret anyfin paladin and token druid are around, but others, like mech mage and n'zoth priest, are not to be seen much atm. Wait a little, though, "by fire be purged" and "trooog zooor" will soon only be heard in wild.
Did I say the Call of the Wild was one of the worst nerfs in the history of the game? A whole class, and a pretty healthy playstyle got destroyed. In this aggro-meta, hunters would struggle even to get to turn 8. Sad panda, please be careful what you wish for!
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Thats obviously ridiculous. It'd be stupid not to put cards like shredder in a wild deck anyway.
I don't understand why some of you think putting this restriction on wild mode would make it less wild. It would make it more wild because no standard copy and paste decks would be in wild, thus creating more decks and creative thought by everyone.
I do, however, understand Blizzard looks at wild like the bad step child no one really cares about and changes will likely never be made to wild.
Personally if I make a deck and it has no wild cards in it, I try to revamp so it at least includes a couple because why play wild if your not going to use any exclusive cards?
Wild meta has its problems and those aren't standard only decks. It's stupid to make problem out of it. I have 300+ matches last season in wild and i find your statement ridiculous - endless repeat of Standard Jade Druid and Standard Aggro? I never experiences something even remotely close to this. At what ranks you meet that endless standard decks? There are guys bring their T1 standard decks into wild just to complete their quests as they're rank 25 there and it is easy to do them, but how is this defining wild meta ffs? Decks with wild cards are much better than standard ones. And this fact is going to be more certain with each rotation. Aggro/egg druid is way more popular druid archetype as I don't even recall meeting jade one in wild. Even pirate warrior is using deaths bite and ships cannon - 4 wild cards. The most popular archetypes are already there and with each release they get more and more refined - that's the essence of wild mode. But they all use wild cards. All of them. Secret/anyfin pal, pirate warr, renolock/mage, aggro sham etc. When in less than a month the rotation hits and TGT, BRM and LOE become wild these decks automatically start use >30% wild only cards what will be your reason to whine?
Not sure if this is a troll or just really stupid. That would make no sense what so ever. Nobody makes wild decks with only standard cards but if you wanted to go on wild ladder with a standard deck why should that not be allowed?
Wild is just that, WILD! Any cards may be used. Besides, there has to be some wild cards to throw in the cancer decks from standard to improve them, right? Haunted Creeper, Dr. Boom, Deathlord, Sludge Belcher
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I Personnally don't mind playing against pirate warrior, or dragon priests, as long as they have a wild twist in them (cannon, BW tech, etc). At least the player made an effrt, but the Standard pirate warrior or jade Druid, no f..ing no !
The pleasure in Wild, at least for me, is to encounter various decks, not the standard meta. f I want to play / face against those decks, i play in Standard.
I am aware that fixing a threshold of wild cards to be able to play in wild is tricky, and Blizzard will certainly never do this, and this debate is the same as the netdeck one, but please don't come and say things like "all cards are wild", we all know that and this is not the subject of this topic.
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The entire point of wild is to have an "anything goes" ruleset. A place where classic secret pally can battle pirate warrior. Or Mech mage can battle kazakus mage. That is the point.
Wrong. Last 15 WIld games I played were 100% standard pre-patch meta. They can't win in Standard and don't have Wild cards and don't want to be get creative. Standard Jade Druid, Standard Jade Rogue, Standard Pirate Warrior, Standard Handbuff N'Zoth (with no Wild cards, idiotically). Standard boring shit that doesn't work anymore in Standard. It's a plague.
I win due to skill and lose due to bad RNG. :D
Why would you complain about people playing weaker decks than they could?
When the new expansion comes out Wild will contain so many decks not in Standard, because most of the most important cards from meta decks rotate out.
So just wait a month then all your wishes come true
Standard cards will one day become Wild cards when it rotates out so it still counts.
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