Hey guys, I spent the last couple months creating a tier list for the updated Arena meta. Just released it today. It has exact values for each card. Will be updated with all revealed cards for GvG on Day 1 and the unrevealed cards within 48 hours of launch. Will also be updated continuously through all meta changes, whether due to patches, expansions, or even just the slowly but sure shifts in Arena meta.
For those who don't know me, I am a 7.5+ wins/run Arena player post-Naxx (8.5+ with top 6 classes). I co-host a stream with my friend Merps, and together we have averaged a twitch-leading ~9 wins/run for 4 straight months. You can find all our archived runs at www.youtube.com/adwcta or watch live at www.twitch.tv/adwcta.
The list, finally :) I really like the introduction of symbols indicating how many copies of a card are actually useful. I have currently a 62.2% winrate (averaging 4.84 wins) with a lot of ups and downs and I really want to improve further. I like your stream very much btw, it's just a pity I can't watch it live because of Europe. :/
I think I mostly got why you uprate cards (the green ones, hero power synergy and stuff) but I'm not sure about some downrates (the red ones). Is it also because there are better class cards available for that spot? Like Sludge Belcher compared to Druid of the Claw?
Thanks for the list! It's been very helpful having something more up-to-date to work with than Trump's Tiers. I did a 5-win run last night after using the list (had been averages about 3 wins for the last month). Would have been a sixer but I did a misplay on one of my games and lost it because of that. Had an Azure Drake on board, 2 fireballs in hand -- opponent was at 14 and had Sunwalker on board -- I was like damn, I'm 1 off lethal if I can't get my drake through that sunwalker so I pinged and fireballed the sunwalker -- derrrrp, I had 13 + ping and could have won -- it was 1am, so that's my excuse :p
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never had 0 wins in arena until I used this tier list...
Yes, arena is my weakness in hearthstone, and yes, maybe I had a very bad luck in those runs facing really crazy decks.. but I always had at least 2-4 wins...
Sorry, maybe I'm only frustrated
Also, I don't understand the colors in some cards, and also why the list is not ordered by the numeric value...
Yep, on the reddit thread when we launched the tier list, some guy interpreted that the top card in each tier was the best card (despite the exact Value of the card being right next to everything with the word "Value" on it, repeated ~30 times per page).
He got 50 upvotes (net). =(
Sometime in January, this whole thing is going to be sortable and filterable however you want to slice it, with even more features (that's the third part of our Drafting toolset). And after that, we shift our focus back away from the draft to matchups and gameplay decisionmaking analysis (the harder stuff =P).
never had 0 wins in arena until I used this tier list...
Yes, arena is my weakness in hearthstone, and yes, maybe I had a very bad luck in those runs facing really crazy decks.. but I always had at least 2-4 wins...
Sorry, maybe I'm only frustrated
Also, I don't understand the colors in some cards, and also why the list is not ordered by the numeric value...
This list, while different in certain valuations, isn't a radical departure from the more established list (trump's/antigravity's). I suspect you either had bad luck, drafted poorly, or a combination thereof. Tier lists are great tools but blindly adhering to even the best ones is not useful. Have to build a proper curve and remember that the relative value of certain cards go up or down depending on what you have already chosen and where you are in your draft (ie: first pick, or 25th).
Hey guys, I spent the last couple months creating a tier list for the updated Arena meta. Just released it today. It has exact values for each card. Will be updated with all revealed cards for GvG on Day 1 and the unrevealed cards within 48 hours of launch. Will also be updated continuously through all meta changes, whether due to patches, expansions, or even just the slowly but sure shifts in Arena meta.
For those who don't know me, I am a 7.5+ wins/run Arena player post-Naxx (8.5+ with top 6 classes). I co-host a stream with my friend Merps, and together we have averaged a twitch-leading ~9 wins/run for 4 straight months. You can find all our archived runs at www.youtube.com/adwcta or watch live at www.twitch.tv/adwcta.
ADWCTA's Arena Tier List (tons of info in the F.A.Q.s tab): http://www.heartharena.com/tierlist
Main discussion post is on reddit where I explain some valuation choices: http://redd.it/2mkrm2
Hope you guys find it helpful! And, even more (higher-tech) drafting tools coming in December! www.heartharena.com
Best,
ADWCTA
The list, finally :) I really like the introduction of symbols indicating how many copies of a card are actually useful. I have currently a 62.2% winrate (averaging 4.84 wins) with a lot of ups and downs and I really want to improve further. I like your stream very much btw, it's just a pity I can't watch it live because of Europe. :/
I think I mostly got why you uprate cards (the green ones, hero power synergy and stuff) but I'm not sure about some downrates (the red ones). Is it also because there are better class cards available for that spot? Like Sludge Belcher compared to Druid of the Claw?
They record every streamed run and it's available on YouTube/Twitch, luckily. However, I really miss the possibility to ask questions.
Thanks for the list! It's been very helpful having something more up-to-date to work with than Trump's Tiers. I did a 5-win run last night after using the list (had been averages about 3 wins for the last month). Would have been a sixer but I did a misplay on one of my games and lost it because of that. Had an Azure Drake on board, 2 fireballs in hand -- opponent was at 14 and had Sunwalker on board -- I was like damn, I'm 1 off lethal if I can't get my drake through that sunwalker so I pinged and fireballed the sunwalker -- derrrrp, I had 13 + ping and could have won -- it was 1am, so that's my excuse :p
Check out my motorcycle blog at ShiftHer.com ...or not.
Hope you guys found this useful!
Here's a sneak peak at what's coming next week. HearthArena. Hype.
Looks great! :) will there be an option for this to be an app as well, like the one you can find at arenavalue?
following :)
There's nothing wrong with the tier list, eiher:
You got unlucky drafting/playing
You faced very good opponents
Your playstyle is off
Yep, on the reddit thread when we launched the tier list, some guy interpreted that the top card in each tier was the best card (despite the exact Value of the card being right next to everything with the word "Value" on it, repeated ~30 times per page).
He got 50 upvotes (net). =(
Sometime in January, this whole thing is going to be sortable and filterable however you want to slice it, with even more features (that's the third part of our Drafting toolset). And after that, we shift our focus back away from the draft to matchups and gameplay decisionmaking analysis (the harder stuff =P).
This list, while different in certain valuations, isn't a radical departure from the more established list (trump's/antigravity's). I suspect you either had bad luck, drafted poorly, or a combination thereof. Tier lists are great tools but blindly adhering to even the best ones is not useful. Have to build a proper curve and remember that the relative value of certain cards go up or down depending on what you have already chosen and where you are in your draft (ie: first pick, or 25th).
I look forward to trying out HearthArena. It seemed both fun and useful, judging from the preview on the last run.
Greetings to ADWCTA, I'm a fan of the Arena Coop. Too bad it's on the worst possible time slot for us europeans to watch live. :-)