So today i drafted a 77,6 score arena deck. Full of board clears, value cards and around 90% of the cards were synergistic.
Guess what, it went 3-2. I'm not a noob hs player, i play since GvG. Have several 12 win arenas. So its not the way i piloted my deck. This is also not my first time drafting almost 80 score arena decks and i keep track of all my arena runs in heartharena.
Everytime i drafted a 73+ deck i went like 3-1,3-2 sometimes even 3-0. What the actual fuck?
I think arena matchmaking is like, when you have a godly draft, you only meet even more godly drafts.
I'm so tired of this shit happening all the time. I just want to destroy everyone once i draft a deck this good...
Just create a new account. You will do some high scores first games. The Magic of MMR?
BTW i see a lot high score "Attrition Decks". Win first games, good mulligans. After 4-5 games, bad mulligans, bad tempo plays and you lose
The OverWolf Score isnt all. You can pick high value cards, but remember arena use to be "Pure Tempo" plays first turns. Probably you think <i have a Volcano. I can clear>. Ok, but when u do a Tempo Swing Play? Overload cards dont let u come back to the game many times, u are behind the table all games
Actually, I think the matchmaking is rigged but not in the way you think it is. So, during Kobolds and Catacombs, they introduced a system where cards are drafted based on approximate power levels and not rarity. It is quite possible that the people who get the highest amount of high rated cards on their power level scale will be more likely to play against people who have a similar amount of high rated cards. I have noticed a similar phenomenon to what OP was mentioning, where I usually only face decks of similar power. I can surmise this because there were no arena games since the expansion came out where I was crushed, which is unusual because there is usually about one crazy good deck every 5 games. I personally think that this is a negative change, as it is now very difficult to get past 5 wins for people who are not gods at Hearthstone. Also, decks with just good tempo plays and good draws tend to win these days; it's hard to find cards that create swing turns. Shaman will never be particularly strong, as while it has some individually good cards, it tends to need some synergy to work well. I think that board clears have lost some of their value in arena, as I feel like there is more sustain in arena now.
My third company app says me a deck is good. But i lose every time the app say this. So the game is rigged... flawless logic: stop drafting "good" decks xD
I just lost a game at 0-0 to a Mage who had 2 copies of Book of Specters, Archmage Arugal, and no other spells.
So if you think your arena matches are rigged, I laugh at your petty misfortune.
To be fair, that is a very stupid way to try and draft a mage deck in arena. But i suppose if i got offered Arugal very early and some books would follow, i might have tried it as well ... but probably even then i wouldnt. Not sure if you won or not, kinda assume u didnt, in which case, it sucks that you got rolled over by this lel.
I had an amazing deck last night that went 1-2 but won 11 games in a row to 12-2. Games are honestly harder at low wins for me than high wins since I draft specifically to beat high win decks, but low win decks can cheese you out with stuff like Freeze or repeatedly picking random Discover cards over tempo cards.
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I had an amazing deck last night that went 1-2 but won 11 games in a row to 12-2. Games are honestly harder at low wins for me than high wins since I draft specifically to beat high win decks, but low win decks can cheese you out with stuff like Freeze or repeatedly picking random Discover cards over tempo cards.
Yeah, pretty much this. If your opponent has only 7 good cards in his deck, but plays all of them on curve from T1 to T7, chances r you are not gonna win, even tho rest of his deck sucks. Losses at low wins rly are very polarizing and so much more tilting, mostly cause you think that your deck deserves to go higher, but you already got one or more strike making it that much harder.
There is absolutely nothing about this game that is random. Anyone that thinks that they will manipulate some things (like the number of rare or better cards you get in a draft) but not others is in denial.
Pro streamers are permanently removed from the Blizzard matchmaking system. Ever watch Kripp draft? I would kill to play the cards that guy DOESN'T pick. This is also the reason that playing a pro streamer's 70% win rate legend level deck will not yield you the same 70% win rate. Anyone that has tried this knows it to be true.
Blizzard has a stated goal of a 50% win rate and they work hard to achieve it. It's a fun game and it is entertaining much like pro wrestling is entertaining. We know the outcomes are predetermined but it is still fun to watch.
"But mooom... my app says this deck is good. Why can't I win?"
Go to the salt thread.
No really. This is a skill game.
By the way, I have a bridge that you may be interested in.
I'm pretty sure I said that the game is fun and entertaining. I just don't pretend that the game is something that it isn't. Blizzard has every right to manipulate the game. In fact it is good business.
I am 100% F2P. I have 5 gold heroes, pretty decent amount of cards and about 9k worth of dust. I have played the game for a while. I win just as many one sided beat downs as I lose. Neither my wins or my losses have anything to do with skill. That does not take away from the entertainment factor.
"But mooom... my app says this deck is good. Why can't I win?"
Go to the salt thread.
No really. This is a skill game.
By the way, I have a bridge that you may be interested in.
I'm pretty sure I said that the game is fun and entertaining. I just don't pretend that the game is something that it isn't. Blizzard has every right to manipulate the game. In fact it is good business.
I am 100% F2P. I have 5 gold heroes, pretty decent amount of cards and about 9k worth of dust. I have played the game for a while. I win just as many one sided beat downs as I lose. Neither my wins or my losses have anything to do with skill. That does not take away from the entertainment factor.
No offence my response was meant for OP and not you. :-)
Yes because playing more often gets you better draws. Makes sense.
I will never convince a true believer that this isn't a skill game. They can somehow convince themselves that Blizzard will manipulate the RNG to give you a certain amount of rares or better in an arena hand, make quest cards always come out first, guarantee a rare or better in every pack, guarantee a legendary every 40 packs or so, determine how often a card appears in arena drafts, etc - but stop there. It's like they just turn of their logical thought button.
There is absolutely nothing about this game that is random. Anyone that thinks that they will manipulate some things (like the number of rare or better cards you get in a draft) but not others is in denial.
Pro streamers are permanently removed from the Blizzard matchmaking system. Ever watch Kripp draft? I would kill to play the cards that guy DOESN'T pick. This is also the reason that playing a pro streamer's 70% win rate legend level deck will not yield you the same 70% win rate. Anyone that has tried this knows it to be true.
Blizzard has a stated goal of a 50% win rate and they work hard to achieve it. It's a fun game and it is entertaining much like pro wrestling is entertaining. We know the outcomes are predetermined but it is still fun to watch.
If you just want to let the RNG roll and be entertained then that's fine. Do that. But don't go shoving your whiney world-view down everyone else's throat. There's a reason that pro players are consistently at the top and the conspiracy that they are "removed" from the matchmaking system is both laughably stupid and easily disprovable. I've played pros on ladder. I've purposefully queued into streamers on ladder just for the laugh of "holy shit I played that guy" (not proud of that but I'll admit it). Even your example Kripp is constantly being sniped... maybe not as often as he whines about it but he still gets sniped. You have to willfully ignore your own shortcomings to think that's the reason that you aren't getting a 70% winrate with decks that got 70% winrates.
If you truly believe this then please just stop posting. No productive conversation can be had if you chalk everything up to rigged RNG and a conspiracy against you. If you want to get better at the game then you need to let this bullshit go and actually do a deep dive analysis of your decisions. Every moment you spend blaming Blizzard is a moment you aren't getting better at the game.
If it is easily disprovable that pros are removed from the matchmaking system then please disprove it.
Why do all of you true believers take this as a personal attack?
It helps if you read the whole post before you get triggered. I clearly stated that I win as many games as I lose. The game is not rigged against me. It is rigged to a certain outcome (50% win rate). There is a difference. As I said I have 5 golden heroes, all the cards I want, and enough dust to make the ones I don't have. My card back is heroic Naxxramus so you can tell I have been playing a while. I know how to play. Not that any of that matters because the games are not random.
Sorry to burst your bubble. If you get this upset over Hearthstone I won't tell you what I know about Santa, the Easter Bunny, or the Tooth Fairy either.
Hey guys,
So today i drafted a 77,6 score arena deck. Full of board clears, value cards and around 90% of the cards were synergistic.
Guess what, it went 3-2. I'm not a noob hs player, i play since GvG. Have several 12 win arenas. So its not the way i piloted my deck. This is also not my first time drafting almost 80 score arena decks and i keep track of all my arena runs in heartharena.
Everytime i drafted a 73+ deck i went like 3-1,3-2 sometimes even 3-0. What the actual fuck?
I think arena matchmaking is like, when you have a godly draft, you only meet even more godly drafts.
I'm so tired of this shit happening all the time. I just want to destroy everyone once i draft a deck this good...
Legend: April 2017, April 2018.
And apparently 3 out of my 5 matches had better decks than i did?
I only expect like 5 or 6 wins with a decks this good, not 2. I can get 2 wins with a 10 score deck.
Legend: April 2017, April 2018.
Arena is fucked up since the Witchwood patch.
Anyway, would you mind sharing replays of your matches with this deck?
Why even good?
Only 3 1mana drops, 4 lighting storm and a lot of big stones.
Maybe its time to turn off your tracker...
Just create a new account. You will do some high scores first games. The Magic of MMR?
BTW i see a lot high score "Attrition Decks". Win first games, good mulligans. After 4-5 games, bad mulligans, bad tempo plays and you lose
The OverWolf Score isnt all. You can pick high value cards, but remember arena use to be "Pure Tempo" plays first turns. Probably you think <i have a Volcano. I can clear>. Ok, but when u do a Tempo Swing Play? Overload cards dont let u come back to the game many times, u are behind the table all games
Actually, I think the matchmaking is rigged but not in the way you think it is. So, during Kobolds and Catacombs, they introduced a system where cards are drafted based on approximate power levels and not rarity. It is quite possible that the people who get the highest amount of high rated cards on their power level scale will be more likely to play against people who have a similar amount of high rated cards. I have noticed a similar phenomenon to what OP was mentioning, where I usually only face decks of similar power. I can surmise this because there were no arena games since the expansion came out where I was crushed, which is unusual because there is usually about one crazy good deck every 5 games. I personally think that this is a negative change, as it is now very difficult to get past 5 wins for people who are not gods at Hearthstone. Also, decks with just good tempo plays and good draws tend to win these days; it's hard to find cards that create swing turns. Shaman will never be particularly strong, as while it has some individually good cards, it tends to need some synergy to work well. I think that board clears have lost some of their value in arena, as I feel like there is more sustain in arena now.
This deck looks pretty bad - Few one drops, bad big drops, almost no value...
Maybe it's time to turn off that arena helper ,_,
Hey, I guess we all have to face the question--- the dominance of Paladin in arena
solutions are not limited but such as : obtain early game pressure, gain tempo back after nice board clear, SMOC.......
,which 4 lightning storms cannot provide.
Arena is the most cancerous game mode of any game I play. What a waste of time.
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It's variance.
I had an amazing deck last night that went 1-2 but won 11 games in a row to 12-2. Games are honestly harder at low wins for me than high wins since I draft specifically to beat high win decks, but low win decks can cheese you out with stuff like Freeze or repeatedly picking random Discover cards over tempo cards.
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There is absolutely nothing about this game that is random. Anyone that thinks that they will manipulate some things (like the number of rare or better cards you get in a draft) but not others is in denial.
Pro streamers are permanently removed from the Blizzard matchmaking system. Ever watch Kripp draft? I would kill to play the cards that guy DOESN'T pick. This is also the reason that playing a pro streamer's 70% win rate legend level deck will not yield you the same 70% win rate. Anyone that has tried this knows it to be true.
Blizzard has a stated goal of a 50% win rate and they work hard to achieve it. It's a fun game and it is entertaining much like pro wrestling is entertaining. We know the outcomes are predetermined but it is still fun to watch.
"But mooom... my app says this deck is good. Why can't I win?"
Go to the salt thread.
Yes because playing more often gets you better draws. Makes sense.
I will never convince a true believer that this isn't a skill game. They can somehow convince themselves that Blizzard will manipulate the RNG to give you a certain amount of rares or better in an arena hand, make quest cards always come out first, guarantee a rare or better in every pack, guarantee a legendary every 40 packs or so, determine how often a card appears in arena drafts, etc - but stop there. It's like they just turn of their logical thought button.
If it is easily disprovable that pros are removed from the matchmaking system then please disprove it.
Why do all of you true believers take this as a personal attack?
It helps if you read the whole post before you get triggered. I clearly stated that I win as many games as I lose. The game is not rigged against me. It is rigged to a certain outcome (50% win rate). There is a difference. As I said I have 5 golden heroes, all the cards I want, and enough dust to make the ones I don't have. My card back is heroic Naxxramus so you can tell I have been playing a while. I know how to play. Not that any of that matters because the games are not random.
Sorry to burst your bubble. If you get this upset over Hearthstone I won't tell you what I know about Santa, the Easter Bunny, or the Tooth Fairy either.