"Very little skill in arena" - then how come the same pros top the charts every month? Arena takes a TON of skill - a lot more than netdecking the latest Pirate Warrior build and climbing ladder. You're just not even good enough to appreciate the skill required, which is impressively noob-ish. Get wrecked. ;)
Oh hey cool this mage I'm playing had an Antonidas and three glyphs. oh whats the article say about that?
Make your deck, queue for a game, concede. Queue and concede two more times. Congratulations, you just got two free packs of cards + some dust or gold, and all it took was 2 or 3 minutes of your time.
The best part of arena is for new players don't suffer playing with basic stuff vs a complete Tier 1 meta netdeck, it is by far the best way to get a playable collection, after you have the collection the constructed is more interesting than arena.
You're way off in your win-rate estimation of the difference between a good and bad player. A very good player averages around 8 wins, yes. But a bad player probably averages around 2 or 3 wins. I've been grinding hard on my Arena play for the last six months, and I'm slowly improving but only up around 4.25 average win rate. It's an EXTREMELY skill-testing mode, and you realize that the more you play. The difference between a 4-win average and an 8-win average is an astounding amount of skill, not RNG.
Ended up playing with a really old arena deck (from TGT) a few arena runs ago on an alt account...that was the easiest 12 wins I had in a long time...
I love Arena because people can't just go with cookie cutter decks and have to actually decide cards to play especially when faced with bad picks. Arena is more about skill than luck, even if you have a really bad deck, its hard to go win-less unless you are very unlucky during that run (draw all high cost cards even after mulligan, opponent has perfect answers, etc.). My average is about 6 or 7 wins, some 10-12 win decks, with occasional 4-5 win decks and the rare 2-3 wins deck, I've had probably 1 or 2 0-win decks in the last year. As long as you never pick Warrior or Druid (mostly Warrior), you can usually win at least a few games every run.
This was my fifth arena run in my whole HS life, and I got to 7 with no epics and no legendaries. Not sure what these guys are on about with farming noobs. Even I comprehend the basics of tempo and I am neither an arena pro or a legend player.
If anything, the noobs get stuck in 2-3-4 wins unless they get lucky like I did. Not sure if people who farm in this level are that much different from the "noobs" they slay.
Regardless, about the experience, I suppose arena could be worse. I'm not a fan of running into people with Malchezaar and epics gallore while I almost had to gauge someone's eye out for a Stonehill Defender during my drafts, but I guess it is a healthy break from the 89% cancer that is all constructed. Of course, it is still HS. Whoever gets a board usually stays ahead, snowballs, all that crap. In arena, turnarounds are much rarer (and they are already pretty scarce in HS in general).
All in all, I sort of liked it, but I still wouldn't pay to play it again, not only because I find tempo battles tedious, but also because I don't have buckets of gold to waste just to get to 4 wins. Still, I can recognize that skill is very necessary for this mode (easily harder than almost every meta-deck out there, even those mage decks), and lucky players can't cheat out wins because of RNG alone.
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"Very little skill in arena" - then how come the same pros top the charts every month? Arena takes a TON of skill - a lot more than netdecking the latest Pirate Warrior build and climbing ladder. You're just not even good enough to appreciate the skill required, which is impressively noob-ish. Get wrecked. ;)
The same dumb logic can be applied to ranked, even more so considering the ''professional'' scene of the game is about constructed not arena.
so yeah I got ''wrecked''. Stop being delusional, HS in general doesn't require much skill.
Yep, I just needed one run to remind myself why I don't play arena. I always do great at arena, and this time again I got 9 wins with a pretty crappy deck. I could easily farm gold if I wanted to (not bragging).
But it's SO BORING, and it isn't fun at all to steamroll someone or to get steamrolled. Atleast in constructed I always excell at doing something when I have a deck. (I can grab the board early, control the board or whatever) in arena it's more like: oh you drew a good curve and your opponent didn't? You win.
Lol let me add that my deck was one of the shittiest decks i have ever seen the only thing that carried me so far was dino size and lost in the jungle. I lost to someone who had the very same cards.
If the logic is "dumb" then make an argument refuting it. If the game is so easy, and takes little skill, then surely you must finish every month with an 8+ average arena win rate like Hafu, right?
Stop making excuses for your poor play and own that you're just not as good as some players.
I just went 8-3 in my second arena ever. (The first being the free one you get when you first play Hearthstone.) Subtract the free win if you want. You still face harder opponents at higher levels.
Only lost because my mage opponent had alexstrasza. I played with a terrible rogue deck as well. No backstabs, si:7, vilespines, saps etc. My only legendary was hemit. I also did not use any 3rd party sources for my draft.
What I learned is the majority of you guys are abysmal when you aren't being carried by your netdecks. I want you to remember your terrible arena run next time you think you are hot shit with pirate warrior. Unskilled hacks, all of you. Also, even if I did come out ahead on my run, it was still very unenjoyable. I prefer to just open my packs. It is also a terrible idea to reccomend arena over just buying packs. As you can see, your average hearthstone player is not very good.
I got a pack, 165 gold and a golden druid of the claw.
"Very little skill in arena" - then how come the same pros top the charts every month? Arena takes a TON of skill - a lot more than netdecking the latest Pirate Warrior build and climbing ladder. You're just not even good enough to appreciate the skill required, which is impressively noob-ish. Get wrecked. ;)
I didnt know there was a "Jesus Arena"
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Also, I haven't played arena in like 3 months and I just got 8 (well, 7) wins with my free ticket using a fairly mediocre deck. So. Yeah.
The best part of arena is for new players don't suffer playing with basic stuff vs a complete Tier 1 meta netdeck, it is by far the best way to get a playable collection, after you have the collection the constructed is more interesting than arena.
Kripp should be interesting tonight...
You're way off in your win-rate estimation of the difference between a good and bad player. A very good player averages around 8 wins, yes. But a bad player probably averages around 2 or 3 wins. I've been grinding hard on my Arena play for the last six months, and I'm slowly improving but only up around 4.25 average win rate. It's an EXTREMELY skill-testing mode, and you realize that the more you play. The difference between a 4-win average and an 8-win average is an astounding amount of skill, not RNG.
Ended up playing with a really old arena deck (from TGT) a few arena runs ago on an alt account...that was the easiest 12 wins I had in a long time...
I love Arena because people can't just go with cookie cutter decks and have to actually decide cards to play especially when faced with bad picks. Arena is more about skill than luck, even if you have a really bad deck, its hard to go win-less unless you are very unlucky during that run (draw all high cost cards even after mulligan, opponent has perfect answers, etc.). My average is about 6 or 7 wins, some 10-12 win decks, with occasional 4-5 win decks and the rare 2-3 wins deck, I've had probably 1 or 2 0-win decks in the last year. As long as you never pick Warrior or Druid (mostly Warrior), you can usually win at least a few games every run.
This was my fifth arena run in my whole HS life, and I got to 7 with no epics and no legendaries. Not sure what these guys are on about with farming noobs. Even I comprehend the basics of tempo and I am neither an arena pro or a legend player.
If anything, the noobs get stuck in 2-3-4 wins unless they get lucky like I did. Not sure if people who farm in this level are that much different from the "noobs" they slay.
Regardless, about the experience, I suppose arena could be worse. I'm not a fan of running into people with Malchezaar and epics gallore while I almost had to gauge someone's eye out for a Stonehill Defender during my drafts, but I guess it is a healthy break from the 89% cancer that is all constructed. Of course, it is still HS. Whoever gets a board usually stays ahead, snowballs, all that crap. In arena, turnarounds are much rarer (and they are already pretty scarce in HS in general).
All in all, I sort of liked it, but I still wouldn't pay to play it again, not only because I find tempo battles tedious, but also because I don't have buckets of gold to waste just to get to 4 wins. Still, I can recognize that skill is very necessary for this mode (easily harder than almost every meta-deck out there, even those mage decks), and lucky players can't cheat out wins because of RNG alone.
Start of Year: Provoke the failure of 3 expansions, force nerfs on otherwise balanced cards, bring deckbuilding to an all-time low and get rotated one year earlier for being such a threat to the game's health.
- Genn and Baku's historical entry on the White Book of Shit Design, shortly before retiring unpunished
Arena is the same shit as constructed... You still need an incredible amount of luck in your draft. That's all this game is luck or no luck
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Yep, I just needed one run to remind myself why I don't play arena. I always do great at arena, and this time again I got 9 wins with a pretty crappy deck. I could easily farm gold if I wanted to (not bragging).
But it's SO BORING, and it isn't fun at all to steamroll someone or to get steamrolled. Atleast in constructed I always excell at doing something when I have a deck. (I can grab the board early, control the board or whatever) in arena it's more like: oh you drew a good curve and your opponent didn't? You win.
Fuck cubelock
classic 2 win arena game i mean 1+1 win. casual little kripps still be like 'git gud'
Went 6-3 and i got a fucking trogg as one of my rewards..... not even golden like cmonbruh
I actually never get past 3 (yes i know i suck) and when i finally do THAT'S my reward?!
G=Good B=Bad Do you see the pattern? Every second expansion is always trash.
G: Goblins V Gnomes , Old Gods, unguro
B: TGT, gadgetzan, Knights (Unreleased so MAYBE)
Just concede the 3 games like myself, will take less than 5 minutes to get the pack!
Lol let me add that my deck was one of the shittiest decks i have ever seen the only thing that carried me so far was dino size and lost in the jungle. I lost to someone who had the very same cards.
This game 90% rng and 10% skill.
G=Good B=Bad Do you see the pattern? Every second expansion is always trash.
G: Goblins V Gnomes , Old Gods, unguro
B: TGT, gadgetzan, Knights (Unreleased so MAYBE)
If the logic is "dumb" then make an argument refuting it. If the game is so easy, and takes little skill, then surely you must finish every month with an 8+ average arena win rate like Hafu, right?
Stop making excuses for your poor play and own that you're just not as good as some players.
I just went 8-3 in my second arena ever. (The first being the free one you get when you first play Hearthstone.) Subtract the free win if you want. You still face harder opponents at higher levels.
Only lost because my mage opponent had alexstrasza. I played with a terrible rogue deck as well. No backstabs, si:7, vilespines, saps etc. My only legendary was hemit. I also did not use any 3rd party sources for my draft.
What I learned is the majority of you guys are abysmal when you aren't being carried by your netdecks. I want you to remember your terrible arena run next time you think you are hot shit with pirate warrior. Unskilled hacks, all of you. Also, even if I did come out ahead on my run, it was still very unenjoyable. I prefer to just open my packs. It is also a terrible idea to reccomend arena over just buying packs. As you can see, your average hearthstone player is not very good.
I got a pack, 165 gold and a golden druid of the claw.
Arena for one run is heavily dependent on luck, far more than climbing the ladder over say, one evening.
Arena over time is considerably more skill intensive than constructed over time. However, to understand this point you need to not be an idiot.