Nefarian. For the same reason that any aggro deck is better. It's not a solid consistent deck but it wins games and does so faster than the other. In the same amount of time you can play more games. Thus you get more wins.
Stronger than Rag? Maybe not but certainly more successful in the long run.
The correct answer is....Nefarian is far stronger early, Rag is stronger late. I played 2 games, both as Rag and in the first game Nef was too strong and I lost on turn 6, but in the second game, I survived early and by turn 8-9 I had put myself in a position where I couldn't lose.
Rag has some real stinkers in the deck and the corruption effect + corruption-like effect of deal 5 dmg is just ... bleh. Not to mention drawing lava shock, which early on is absolutely dead in your hand because of the overload, or flame imp, which is a waste of a card slot. Also, you have like two cards with a draw on them ... not nearly enough.
Nefarian can get really screwed on the RNG though, I had 3 goddamn backstabs from my hero power once ... that made me kinda sad.
Overall Nefarian is better hands down, but Rag has cooler cards and you actually feel like you played well when you win.
I agree that Rag is way underpowered Nefarian statistically, but I disagree on the aoe-corruption not being good since Nefarian has many cards that fills your board with minions
You want to start burning the weapon as fast as possible, and hope to have a decent starting hand. I lost twice because he played that dragon that gets +2 attack when you play a card on turn 2. Without that card, I stomped nef no problem.
If I get the right start with Vael, coin, consort, and other minions, you aren't beating me. I'd say with a good start Nefarian is unstoppable. Add in any decent spells you get and that pretty much puts him over the top. I am 5-1 with Nefarian and 3-5 with Ragnaros.
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Rag will never be OP because it's a control. I had a bloody sexy board that Nef will never clear, wrong. Top tapping twisted nether and it's game for me.
In my opinion I would say that Nefarian is better. I've found that Nefarian is much better early game and that Rag only wins if Nefarian runs out of steam.
Nefarian currently. The only problem is that Nef gets an extra 4 mana/turn advantage over Ragnaros. Ragnaros pretty much sits on his ass for the first 4 turns, whereas Nefarian is getting out ALL of his heavy hitters in the FIRST 3 turns, plus free spells. No matter WHAT starting hand Ragnaros gets, he is good to go. His legendaries are also better as well, generally being MUCH higher on the pure stats-mana.
Key legends are Atramedes (Playable first turn), Vaelastraze (Playable second turn), and Razorgore (Playable 3rd turn). If you have a perfect hand, you can get a near 1 turn kill on turn 4, that Ragnaros will find it extremely hard to recover from.
For Ragnaros, most of his legendaries depend entirely on being able to last a few rounds - Garr, Coren Direbrew, High Justice Grimstone, Emp. Thaurassian... High Justice has some RNG to it as well, as you could get less useful legendaries like Nat, Majordomo (You are fucked if you get Majordomo). Even his only direct effect leg, Lucifron, has to wait a full turn before the board clears.
If a Ragnaros can survive till he gets his 8 damage hero power, he gets in a much better position.
Either Ragnaros needs 3 mana to start, Sulfuron needs to more or less 1 shot whoever he hits, his starter hero power needs to be free, OR his starter hero power needs to summon a random Ragnaros mob (The Living Lava, Whirling Ash, or Son of the Flame).
Any one of those 4 changes will help Ragnaros out.
Played two games, one as each boss, and won both pretty comfortably. I don't think I can really say one is more powerful than the other without more samples.
What do you guys think?
After a couple of games my nod goes to Nefarian as well. It seems to take Ragnaros too long to stabalize. Might change after more games though.
I feel that both heroes are equal. Nef is the aggro and Rag is the control, but they both have a pretty even chance of winning.
Pretty equal IMO
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I think it's pretty even but I've personally had more success with rag so I voted for him
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Nefarian. For the same reason that any aggro deck is better. It's not a solid consistent deck but it wins games and does so faster than the other. In the same amount of time you can play more games. Thus you get more wins.
Stronger than Rag? Maybe not but certainly more successful in the long run.
If you don't draw what you need as rag you will likely lose, whereas nef can win no matter what because of RNG.
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The correct answer is....Nefarian is far stronger early, Rag is stronger late. I played 2 games, both as Rag and in the first game Nef was too strong and I lost on turn 6, but in the second game, I survived early and by turn 8-9 I had put myself in a position where I couldn't lose.
Nefarian is for sure stronger, but if Rag can survive until the late game, I say they're pretty even.
Basically, if Nefarian started at 1 mana instead of 5, it would be a much more even fight.
I agree that Rag is way underpowered Nefarian statistically, but I disagree on the aoe-corruption not being good since Nefarian has many cards that fills your board with minions
You want to start burning the weapon as fast as possible, and hope to have a decent starting hand. I lost twice because he played that dragon that gets +2 attack when you play a card on turn 2. Without that card, I stomped nef no problem.
Does not mean either one of them is more OP yet though. It's all about the consistency imo.
Give it a day for people to get the decks down and there will be a 'got Nef again so unfair Rag OP' thread.
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If I get the right start with Vael, coin, consort, and other minions, you aren't beating me. I'd say with a good start Nefarian is unstoppable. Add in any decent spells you get and that pretty much puts him over the top. I am 5-1 with Nefarian and 3-5 with Ragnaros.
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Rag will never be OP because it's a control. I had a bloody sexy board that Nef will never clear, wrong. Top tapping twisted nether and it's game for me.
I'm 9-0 with Naf and only 8-4 with rag.
In my opinion I would say that Nefarian is better. I've found that Nefarian is much better early game and that Rag only wins if Nefarian runs out of steam.
Nefarian currently. The only problem is that Nef gets an extra 4 mana/turn advantage over Ragnaros. Ragnaros pretty much sits on his ass for the first 4 turns, whereas Nefarian is getting out ALL of his heavy hitters in the FIRST 3 turns, plus free spells. No matter WHAT starting hand Ragnaros gets, he is good to go. His legendaries are also better as well, generally being MUCH higher on the pure stats-mana.
Key legends are Atramedes (Playable first turn), Vaelastraze (Playable second turn), and Razorgore (Playable 3rd turn). If you have a perfect hand, you can get a near 1 turn kill on turn 4, that Ragnaros will find it extremely hard to recover from.
For Ragnaros, most of his legendaries depend entirely on being able to last a few rounds - Garr, Coren Direbrew, High Justice Grimstone, Emp. Thaurassian... High Justice has some RNG to it as well, as you could get less useful legendaries like Nat, Majordomo (You are fucked if you get Majordomo). Even his only direct effect leg, Lucifron, has to wait a full turn before the board clears.
If a Ragnaros can survive till he gets his 8 damage hero power, he gets in a much better position.
Either Ragnaros needs 3 mana to start, Sulfuron needs to more or less 1 shot whoever he hits, his starter hero power needs to be free, OR his starter hero power needs to summon a random Ragnaros mob (The Living Lava, Whirling Ash, or Son of the Flame).
Any one of those 4 changes will help Ragnaros out.
Played two games, one as each boss, and won both pretty comfortably. I don't think I can really say one is more powerful than the other without more samples.
None! Just RNGesus!