Well, I'm happy with my homebrew version of Control Lock. It performs very good against aggro and tempo (Paladin, Hunter, Warrior, Rogue), but also rather poorly against typical Control Warlocks (with double Tickatus) and No Minion Mages (data from EU D5). It doesn't look like much, but I encourage you to try. Trust me, you won't regret it :).
Ironbeak Owl may seem a little controversial, but the meta now is full of buffs, so it effectively works as "small Siphon Soul" for 3 mana (can win you games against buffed Crabrider, minions stacked with Libram of Wisdom from Lady Liadrin or Rattlegore). Pretty much almost every deck has some good targets for it.
Which Paladin does it peform well against? I guess Libram, but no Secret or Aggro.
My version? It's super strong against Aggro / Secret Aggro Paladin and a little bit weaker against Libram Paladin (because he has a lot more value generation due to librams).
So you say you introduced few cards different to standard version and suddenly you turned this deck's matchups (source: https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reaper-report-195/) upside down (very bad against Secret/Aggro, quite good against Libram Paladin)?
Well, he explained with his list, he chose to drop the top heavy Corrupt package for extra taunts and healing and tech cards, Mortal Coil is pretty good and has too much utility to forego, specially with Tamsin Roame. For instance:
Bait Oh My Yogg! as he said. Cheap cycling Good for popping First Day of School minions, dudes and the guy that draws. Can finish off a Crabrider on turn 3 after Soul Shear or Drain Soul Excelent interaction with Tamsin Roame as I stated before as it is very easy to cram it along another spell for additional damage/draw
So you say you introduced few cards different to standard version and suddenly you turned this deck's matchups (source: https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reaper-report-195/) upside down (very bad against Secret/Aggro, quite good against Libram Paladin)?
Added Void Drinker for extra stats. Paladin usually has to trade with it or waste his Alexstrasza the Life-Binder, to deal with it. Hunter also has to waste a lot of resources to remove it.
Added Ironbeak Owl as fast, pseudo-removal ("destroying" Crabrider or Avenge on turn 3 instead of turn 5 is huge deal).
That was the whole idea of this deck, to do whatever it takes and pay any price to beat damn bully Paladins and Face Hunters. I know it doesn't look like much, but give it a try at least. Right now I'm sitting on 26/4 against Paladins and 13/5 against Hunters (they are much more difficult due to burst damage that Paladin lacks) in EU Diamond 5.
And against Mage? Especially after Ogremancer removal.
I'm at D2 with Mill Warlock, you can do diamond levels with many different decks, but it does not mean they're good :)
As I said before, it performs very poorly against No Minion Mage (which is actually no different from typical Control Warlock matchup vs NMM) and other Warlocks (one Tickatus vs two always puts you in disadvantage), but that's the price I'm willing to pay. Is it a good deck overall? Well, it's not Tier S like Secret Paladin, but it beats aggro and tempo pretty consistently which is good enough for me, especially considered how bad Warlock's cards are. 67% win rate so far is also rather acceptable :).
As more than 50% of lauder is Paladin at d5-d1 I don't get why you're not legend yet with such good matchup against them.
I reached D3 so far (which is better than the last season), but right now I'm not facing Paladins and Warriors (which are very good matchup for my deck) almost at all. While I was climbing back to diamond (because of new season) there were plenty on lower ranks, but at this point they seem to be gone. It's strange, but maybe it's because EU server? I would love to see more of them (hell, even more SMORC Hunters), but it is what it is.
Just finished my 24th game in a row without a single Paladin or Warrior in sight! I made this deck to counter aggro and tempo specifficly, but I don't see them on the ladder almost at all (except a few Hunters here and there). It's ridiculous, it seems like I have to switch my deck to something else at this point, because my win rate keeps going down (mostly due to Mage, Warlock and disgusting, non-interactive Poison Rogue)...
At this point my deck is dead (because Kazakus and Hysteria) and I think Warlock is dead in general (aggro decks will stomp him even harder, probably even Rush Warrior will be favored from now on).
But at least we have super strong buffs for Deck of Chaos and Fiendish Circle, right? Great work Team 5, thanks for nothing.
At this point my deck is dead (because Kazakus and Hysteria) and I think Warlock is dead in general (aggro decks will stomp him even harder, probably even Rush Warrior will be favored from now on).
But at least we have super strong buffs for Deck of Chaos and Fiendish Circle, right? Great work Team 5, thanks for nothing.
True in your case with Kazakus. But I think the Pally nerfs offset that significantly assuming meta distribution stays the same (not that it will). Crabrider nerf also affects rush warrior.
And I think the Hysteria bump to 4 is even worse for Priest than it is for Warlock, imo. They need Kazakus to compete against Warlock, whereas it's not as integral to control lock because Tickatus gives you the win in fatigue. So that matchup will swing even further in Warlock's favor.
But just generally not getting blown out by a 2-mana windfury is huge for the class, particularly when it makes up ~20% of the meta.
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Well, I'm happy with my homebrew version of Control Lock. It performs very good against aggro and tempo (Paladin, Hunter, Warrior, Rogue), but also rather poorly against typical Control Warlocks (with double Tickatus) and No Minion Mages (data from EU D5). It doesn't look like much, but I encourage you to try. Trust me, you won't regret it :).
I'd say that Armor Vendor is a must in this meta and 2 mana gain 8 health is simply too good to ignore for Warlock. Kazakus, Golem Shaper is faster and more reliable option than Cascading Disaster, and Mo'arg Artificer works wonders in terms of removing stuff, especially early on (it also can give you tons of HP with Drain Soul). Mortal Coil can bait Oh My Yogg! on cheap, and works great with Tamsin Roame and / or Mo'arg Artificer (Denying Hand of A'dal on T2 feels so sweet ;p).
Ironbeak Owl may seem a little controversial, but the meta now is full of buffs, so it effectively works as "small Siphon Soul" for 3 mana (can win you games against buffed Crabrider, minions stacked with Libram of Wisdom from Lady Liadrin or Rattlegore). Pretty much almost every deck has some good targets for it.
Which Paladin does it peform well against? I guess Libram, but no Secret or Aggro.
My version? It's super strong against Aggro / Secret Aggro Paladin and a little bit weaker against Libram Paladin (because he has a lot more value generation due to librams).
So you say you introduced few cards different to standard version and suddenly you turned this deck's matchups (source: https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reaper-report-195/) upside down (very bad against Secret/Aggro, quite good against Libram Paladin)?
How???
Well, he explained with his list, he chose to drop the top heavy Corrupt package for extra taunts and healing and tech cards, Mortal Coil is pretty good and has too much utility to forego, specially with Tamsin Roame. For instance:
Bait Oh My Yogg! as he said.
Cheap cycling
Good for popping First Day of School minions, dudes and the guy that draws.
Can finish off a Crabrider on turn 3 after Soul Shear or Drain Soul
Excelent interaction with Tamsin Roame as I stated before as it is very easy to cram it along another spell for additional damage/draw
That was the whole idea of this deck, to do whatever it takes and pay any price to beat damn bully Paladins and Face Hunters. I know it doesn't look like much, but give it a try at least. Right now I'm sitting on 26/4 against Paladins and 13/5 against Hunters (they are much more difficult due to burst damage that Paladin lacks) in EU Diamond 5.
And against Mage? Especially after Ogremancer removal.
I'm at D2 with Mill Warlock, you can do diamond levels with many different decks, but it does not mean they're good :)
As I said before, it performs very poorly against No Minion Mage (which is actually no different from typical Control Warlock matchup vs NMM) and other Warlocks (one Tickatus vs two always puts you in disadvantage), but that's the price I'm willing to pay. Is it a good deck overall? Well, it's not Tier S like Secret Paladin, but it beats aggro and tempo pretty consistently which is good enough for me, especially considered how bad Warlock's cards are. 67% win rate so far is also rather acceptable :).
As more than 50% of lauder is Paladin at d5-d1 I don't get why you're not legend yet with such good matchup against them.
I reached D3 so far (which is better than the last season), but right now I'm not facing Paladins and Warriors (which are very good matchup for my deck) almost at all. While I was climbing back to diamond (because of new season) there were plenty on lower ranks, but at this point they seem to be gone. It's strange, but maybe it's because EU server? I would love to see more of them (hell, even more SMORC Hunters), but it is what it is.
The amount of priests in your screenshot disgusts me, how come people insist playing the worst competitively and boring priest deck to date?
Just finished my 24th game in a row without a single Paladin or Warrior in sight! I made this deck to counter aggro and tempo specifficly, but I don't see them on the ladder almost at all (except a few Hunters here and there). It's ridiculous, it seems like I have to switch my deck to something else at this point, because my win rate keeps going down (mostly due to Mage, Warlock and disgusting, non-interactive Poison Rogue)...
I don't know how you do it.
Still the point is Warlock is not viable for ladder so if you add Armor Vendor or not is really not important.
At this point my deck is dead (because Kazakus and Hysteria) and I think Warlock is dead in general (aggro decks will stomp him even harder, probably even Rush Warrior will be favored from now on).
But at least we have super strong buffs for Deck of Chaos and Fiendish Circle, right? Great work Team 5, thanks for nothing.
True in your case with Kazakus. But I think the Pally nerfs offset that significantly assuming meta distribution stays the same (not that it will). Crabrider nerf also affects rush warrior.
And I think the Hysteria bump to 4 is even worse for Priest than it is for Warlock, imo. They need Kazakus to compete against Warlock, whereas it's not as integral to control lock because Tickatus gives you the win in fatigue. So that matchup will swing even further in Warlock's favor.
But just generally not getting blown out by a 2-mana windfury is huge for the class, particularly when it makes up ~20% of the meta.