Nice try for balance but you failed.Lunacy nerf was good.Paladin always dominating the meta.Not enough nerf for that class.A disgusting deck right now on the meta (Face Hunter).Every matchup face hunter-secret paladin-control warlock bla bla bla.Pen flinger nerf killed only Rogue class(Paladin got a lot of win condition every card is strong).Jandice nerf unnecessary btw.I can't play my rogue decks right now.
Rogue can't heal himself so bad matchup against aggro decks.
Rogue can't hit face hard and can't play for board(bcs haven't strong value cards) then bad matchup against control decks.
What is good with that class i really want to know ? :):)
Hi, I have been playing lots of miracle rogue since the nerfs and I can say it is not dead at all. It is just slightly harder to pilot without the endless ping of pen flinger to the face. As to your points to why rogue is weak, firstly rogue was always bad at healing and had difficulties with dealing with a wide board. However rogue currently has various tools to remove minions such as Prize Plunderer, discovering AOE off Kazakus golems and Wand Thief.
As to rogue cant hit face hard and has bad value cards that's not true at all. You just have to know how to save your face targeting cards and discount them with Octobot for that huge end game burst damage with Alextrasza and Tenwu bounce, level 3 wicked stab. As for value im sure rogue can generate enormous value with shadowsteps on Jandice, Kazakus, Mankrik and those cards enable you to play for board. Vs aggro, value trading is the key, and vs control saving your cards is key. Then again, I always found that rogue is the hardest class to play well without making mistakes (which i very often do) among all the classes. :)
LOL No, Rogue is not dead. This post is ridiculous. I just reached Legend today with a 79% WR playing a Secret Miracle list. The combo package seems to be the new standard, and you can mix in whatever other package you like, be it weapon, full combo, secrets, or stealth. Jandice is still pretty decent at 6 mana, she is not dead. There are also several options for burst, with basically every list running Wicked Stab and some other form of damage, mostly from Tenwu-Alexstrasza combo or there are a few people experimenting with Oil Rig Ambusher lists that have seen success.
Rogue is not dead. I've been facing tons of rush warrios and warlocks in the last couple of days and i've been winning a good amount of those matches with miracle rogue and secret rogue. Have they been easy victories? Definitely not, the class is kind of hard to play, but when you learn how to pilot the deck in those frequent scenarios you realize that the class is playable, no doubt.
it's just not as broken as it usually is. That´s it.
Not played rogue for a while so I don’t know the state of the class, but I do know ‘One of the top 100 players in the world is doing well so class is not dead’ is about the worst argument I’ve ever seen on here.
if with "dead" yo mean: Rogue cant win matches when they totally fall behind and they need to use their resources wisely; them yes, Rogue is "dead" but for any Rogue main or someone that has some interes on learning the class properly? not really. Jendice and Penflinger pre-nerf make the decks soo easy to play and so unfair against almost any matchup that Rogue was the best class of the last expansion by far. Now the class is still solid but you need to know how to play it.
Rogue is not dead. Old Miracle Rogue with Penflinger is dead, but that doesn't mean the whole class is. If you try playing the same deck as before, you will obviously lose. There supposedly is a pretty good Secret list, try that one.
Dude, rogue always find a way, and the way atm is either miracle rogue or miracle secret, weapon rogue is playable but has really polarizing matchups, and aggro rogue can't keep up anymore with other aggros infesting the meta, such as paladin and hunter