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Hi, I play HS a few years now since the Beginning (not Beta).

But I have a Problem. I play Demon Hunter and can easily climb to Gold 8 but at this point I Loose VS every class and deck no matter which DH deck I use. It's like entering Gold rank and its all about anti DH. It makes me so mad I don't know what to do. It's not because of my skills. Any tips for me? With wich Deck and Class I can climb higher to platin, diamond or maybe Legend? I try so hard but it's useless because every opponent destroys me when I play DH. Oh and often I have very bad Topdecks.... Very annoying.... 

F*CK DH.

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F*CK DH.

 I can understand your hate....can you give me some advice pls :(((

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Hi, I play HS a few years now since the Beginning (not Beta).

But I have a Problem. I play Demon Hunter and can easily climb to Gold 8 but at this point I Loose VS every class and deck no matter which DH deck I use. It's like entering Gold rank and its all about anti DH. It makes me so mad I don't know what to do. It's not because of my skills. Any tips for me? With wich Deck and Class I can climb higher to platin, diamond or maybe Legend? I try so hard but it's useless because every opponent destroys me when I play DH. Oh and often I have very bad Topdecks.... Very annoying.... 

 Link your deck? If you have the needed cards for the cookie cutter tempo DH, it’s just a matter of practice and you can take that to legend :)

I presume you play the top tier DH deck. Temp/Aggro Demon Hunter is arguably the best deck in Standard right now, or at least in the top 3. There are not many decks that can reliably counter it AND do well against the rest of the competitive field.

So, if you find yourself constantly losing with DH, you are either playing it wrong, or you just have a lot of bad luck (which can happen but should end eventually) or you've found yourself in a pocket meta where everyone tries as hard as possible to counter your deck.

If that's the case, you should pay attention to what decks you are playing against and then play what those decks would be weak against. Highlander Hunter, for example, is pretty good against almost anything. If you are dead set on climbing with Demon Hunter, you don't have too many other options but keep trying, I'm afraid. Control DH, for example, simply isn't on the level where it would need to be. 

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It's not because of my skills.

 No, it's exactly because of your skills. If you can't get out of gold with the strongest deck in the game, you need to learn how to play better.

You need to know the meta decks, to anticipate your opponents next move... and when rng is involved... have an RNGesus figure next to you and silently start praying... 

You're stuck in gold, but it's not because of your skill?  That makes absolutely no sense.  If you're stuck in gold with any class, it's 100% because of your skill.  Sorry to burst your bubble.  Keep practicing.  Maybe watch some top streamers.  

I can attest that Gold is pretty brutal for the standard DH decks and has been that way for awhile now. When I get there, I've just switched it up to Warrior, Priest or Hunter.

Guys, there isn't really anything like "gold league" anymore. While being in gold league, you can be matched with anything from bronze to legend depending on their mmr.

Also, how many bonus stars did you get last season? If you are lucky, the entire league can be passed in only a couple of games on a winstreak!

If you are playing one of the best and most popular decks in the game, it should be no surprise that your opponents try to counter you, but don't worry, if you play enough games, you will get some easy games as well. Acording to hsreplay, egg, enrage, and bomb warrior + malygos druid are your only really bad matchups.

Don’t let your rank interfere with your gameplay. Play each game the same way.  Just forget about the fact that you’re stuck at Gold and focus on each individual gameplay move. 

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The thing is: I can climb from the lowest Rank to Gold 10 in one or two days. When I reach Gold, suddenly my rng is so worse its unbelievable. I draw and mulligan shit every match. Also the Matchmaking is against me. This happens every time I play against Gold Players. I tested so much DH decks, let me tell you I played every Deck DH offers. The results are every time the same.

I know Some player reach platin or Diamond  very easy. For me it's not the case. And being stuck at the same shit Rank since month I don't know what to do. It's like at Gold the Game changes so much. I am testing my own version of DH at the Moment because every other deck I copied(Netdecking) doesn't seem to work for me. 

I don't know what to say, except I thought I knew how to play but was stuck in 10-15 range (old ranking style for about a year) Finally decided to switch up how I played. I was excellent at control decks but not great at aggro, finally switched to aggro and learned to be the beat down. Played Arena for a while to understand deck composition more and used the tracker which taught me concepts like reach, combo potential, healing potential etc. I had to rewrite how well I understood the game. Know when to be the beatdown, when to act as control. When to preserve value or save cards versus playing all out. I learned all sorts of decks inside and out so I could start anticipating the opponent and thinking from their point of view. I learned to read the other player or the game state to think about clears etc and preserve cards at the right time. When to hold out with warlock control vs when to go all out and destroy enemies every turn (highly opponent dependent)

I learned not just my deck in and out but every deck in and out. then it was easy to get to legend. 

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The thing is: I can climb from the lowest Rank to Gold 10 in one or two days. When I reach Gold, suddenly my rng is so worse its unbelievable. I draw and mulligan shit every match. Also the Matchmaking is against me. This happens every time I play against Gold Players. I tested so much DH decks, let me tell you I played every Deck DH offers. The results are every time the same.

I know Some player reach platin or Diamond  very easy. For me it's not the case. And being stuck at the same shit Rank since month I don't know what to do. It's like at Gold the Game changes so much. I am testing my own version of DH at the Moment because every other deck I copied(Netdecking) doesn't seem to work for me. 

 

 

 So you finished Gold last season.  That means you have bonus stars for Bronze and Silver.  While you have bonus stars you are being matched by the first MMR system.  This first MMR matches you against opponents based on your rank from last season.... so pretty easy opponents and combined with a good deck = high win rate.

Once your bonus stars run out, so for you as soon as you hit Gold, you switch to the second MMR system.  This second system I don't fully understand yet.  But it seems it can match you against just about anyone including players in legend based on your recent win rate and perhaps class or deck type.  I would love to read some documentation on this MMR system but I haven't found any yet.  I am not ready to believe it affects RNG but I am not willing to discount this 100% either.

But I suspect you are having the same issue I am in wild.  I finished in Gold last season just like you.  I ran through Bronze and Silver this season barely loosing a game.  Then, once I hit gold, I switched to the second MMR system.  The difficulty of my opponents drastically changed to be much harder.  There was no ramp, it was a night and day difference.

I suspect this is an issue with the design of the two MMR systems.  If you finished low rank the previous and have a good deck, you are going to get hammered hard once your stars run out after running very good in the first system.  It's really unfair and a roadblock for people to advance who had a low rank the previous season.  Perhaps next season we need to throw a lot of games in the first MMR system while we still have stars, to lessen the impact by entering the second MMR system with a lower win rate, though I have no idea if this will help.

What makes it really unfair is that you have no idea who you are facing.  You might have a really great deck and be playing vs many Diamond and Legend players as the system tries to balance you out, but you have no way of knowing.  You have no way to know if you are using a good deck or not, you are put into the grind mode of the second MMR system early in gold have have no choice but to play a lot of games to grind up with a near 50% win rate or give up.

Players of higher rank the previous season start out harder in the first system, but they have the bonus stars to assist their rise up through that.  Those of low rank get slammed early when they have no stars left to assist.  It's a pretty sh#tty unfair system that sucks out my desire to play at all.

An equal bucket system would be better.  In that kind of system you rise through the ranks and opponent difficulty slowly ramps until you reach the rank where your deck/skill equalize naturally. 

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If you're stuck at gold playing a DH deck I think you're doing something wrong

 Not sure if the case here, but if you stop playing for an entire month, you'll immediately lose ALL of your Bonus Stars, at which point you are pretty much out of the ranked playing picture, as its virtually impossible to get back to Diamond 5 / Legend while starting without any Star booster at Bronze.

And while laddering has become way easier for regular players, its become a Nightmare for Casual players. Or even if you're a regular player but for whatever reason unable to play for one entire month (which can happen easier than one thinks)

What I'am saying is, that the current Star System is way too punishing, and urgently needs Hot fixing in that regard.

Why Blizzard would put such a high price of entry for new players or existing players wanting to try out a new ladder or players who missed a season is beyond me.  This poorly design and executed MMR system is going to discourage more people from playing ladder including previously paying players like me than it encourages to spend to climb.

I made rank 6 in standard, then platinum.  I tired out wild and the experience has sucked me dry to the point that I no longer play wild or standard seriously.

try watching streams from more experienced players.try to guess their next play. read tutorials, advices. it takes time. but you will improve.
you have to know the meta. the opponents next move .

btw. i hate DH. it is an easy class. very consistent cards. zero rng. strong cards.  :)

but for learning, i think aggro decks are good. when to trade, when to go for face. if you are good enought, you can switch to control mby. 

good luck!