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I continue to believe Priest is the most powerful class at the moment, but the games tend to run into 20-25 turn range all the time, so if you're trying to actually climb in a timely fashion, that may not be the best call.
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Losing to Sire Denathrius makes me not want to play this game anymore. The Sire Denathrius nerf makes me want to play this game again. Losing to Deathrattle Rogue makes me not want to play this game anymore. The Prince Renathal nerf makes me not want to play this game anymore.
The stats refer to Bronze-Gold only and are not really indicative of the true strength of each class. Not saying that Priest is the most powerful class, just that the HSReplay stats don't mean much on their own
The stats refer to Bronze-Gold only and are not really indicative of the true strength of each class. Not saying that Priest is the most powerful class, just that the HSReplay stats don't mean much on their own
I'm quite sure that particular stat showcase is the only showcase left that looks at all ranks. I've limited the meta overview to legend (as I have premium), and the result is that the strongest Priest deck sits at a 15th place in tier two with a 51,32% winrate. Significantly lower than the decks above it with Highlander Hunter hitting 56,65% at #1.
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Losing to Sire Denathrius makes me not want to play this game anymore. The Sire Denathrius nerf makes me want to play this game again. Losing to Deathrattle Rogue makes me not want to play this game anymore. The Prince Renathal nerf makes me not want to play this game anymore.
Priest isn't that strong, you can beat it playing a meta deck like HL hunter quite consistently. It is unfun to play against though and feels unfair. This game has a lot of stuff though which shouldn't exist in their present form. Like why is nozdormu a thing. No one will ever play it since it's not viable but the thing is it's stupid from a game mechanic perspective to have a card which limits the time a player gets on their turn. The time you get should be untouchable. But they will never change it. Just like priest has been unfair and unfun for years. It will never change.
Priest isn't that strong, you can beat it playing a meta deck like HL hunter quite consistently. It is unfun to play against though and feels unfair. This game has a lot of stuff though which shouldn't exist in their present form. Like why is nozdormu a thing. No one will ever play it since it's not viable but the thing is it's stupid from a game mechanic perspective to have a card which limits the time a player gets on their turn. The time you get should be untouchable. But they will never change it. Just like priest has been unfair and unfun for years. It will never change.
I can see what your saying Ravza yeah i could see the way certain conceps would not be removed just because of the simple fact that they help promote the very thing they were intentionally made to do. But i completly agree sometimes i get saved from nozderamu only because of the simple fact that i was thinking a turn ahead but sometimes it does catch me off gard like it take a look off the screen which can be a game chaing mechanic. But i compleltly agree some things will never change, and all we can do is just adapt ourselves to those circumstances x(
I'm a new youtube streamer/Twitch Streamer starting out, and trying to reach out to get to legend for the first time!!! This is like my first real attempt to going full out to getting to legend, and possibly ranking high in legend. I listed a few decks and wanted to see your thought on them, and which one has the best possiblity to reaching higher, and right now i'm currently running with a Highlander Hunter Deck which is not that hard to pilot and has gottend me to Diamond 10 to the current moment. If you guys could please leave your thoughts down below, and thx for the support!!!!
I continue to believe Priest is the most powerful class at the moment, but the games tend to run into 20-25 turn range all the time, so if you're trying to actually climb in a timely fashion, that may not be the best call.
?? what am I missing?
I could explain it, but Zalae does it a lot better, so I'll paraphrase him . . .
In basically every healthy meta, there's at least one deck, and sometimes several, that are difficult enough to play correctly OR require a large enough amount of per game time to continually take the wins, such that the average person who chooses to netdeck it isn't getting anywhere near the potential win rate.
A simple example in the last meta (prior to shaman/paladin buffs, etc.) was Brian Kibler's Highlander Quest Shaman. I ran into that deck several times climbing the ladder, and it was painfully obvious that the players who copied it from him had no idea what they were doing. In fact, I'm pretty sure they didn't even know what they didn't know, which is REALLY bad for trying to seriously climb the ladder. I think that deck showed a 40%ish win rate, and was one of the few non-totem shamen out there.
But, we can simplify this easily. The population of all priest players averaged together into one win rate will depress the potential win rate as compared to one expert-level Priest player far worse than say the population of all Aggro Hunters vs one expert-level Aggro Hunter player. Different decks are harder to play than others, in a nutshell. None of which necessarily validates my opinion regarding priest power, but I do know I hit #12 legend last month with it, so there's something to it.
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I could explain it, but Zalae does it a lot better, so I'll paraphrase him . . .
In basically every healthy meta, there's at least one deck, and sometimes several, that are difficult enough to play correctly OR require a large enough amount of per game time to continually take the wins, such that the average person who chooses to netdeck it isn't getting anywhere near the potential win rate.
A simple example in the last meta (prior to shaman/paladin buffs, etc.) was Brian Kibler's Highlander Quest Shaman. I ran into that deck several times climbing the ladder, and it was painfully obvious that the players who copied it from him had no idea what they were doing. In fact, I'm pretty sure they didn't even know what they didn't know, which is REALLY bad for trying to seriously climb the ladder. I think that deck showed a 40%ish win rate, and was one of the few non-totem shamen out there.
But, we can simplify this easily. The population of all priest players averaged together into one win rate will depress the potential win rate as compared to one expert-level Priest player far worse than say the population of all Aggro Hunters vs one expert-level Aggro Hunter player. Different decks are harder to play than others, in a nutshell. None of which necessarily validates my opinion regarding priest power, but I do know I hit #12 legend last month with it, so there's something to it.
Now I understand. I still disagree with you phrasing it as Priest, as a class, being the strongest in the game, but I see your point.
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Losing to Sire Denathrius makes me not want to play this game anymore. The Sire Denathrius nerf makes me want to play this game again. Losing to Deathrattle Rogue makes me not want to play this game anymore. The Prince Renathal nerf makes me not want to play this game anymore.
I continue to believe Priest is the most powerful class at the moment, but the games tend to run into 20-25 turn range all the time, so if you're trying to actually climb in a timely fashion, that may not be the best call.
?? what am I missing?
I could explain it, but Zalae does it a lot better, so I'll paraphrase him . . .
In basically every healthy meta, there's at least one deck, and sometimes several, that are difficult enough to play correctly OR require a large enough amount of per game time to continually take the wins, such that the average person who chooses to netdeck it isn't getting anywhere near the potential win rate.
A simple example in the last meta (prior to shaman/paladin buffs, etc.) was Brian Kibler's Highlander Quest Shaman. I ran into that deck several times climbing the ladder, and it was painfully obvious that the players who copied it from him had no idea what they were doing. In fact, I'm pretty sure they didn't even know what they didn't know, which is REALLY bad for trying to seriously climb the ladder. I think that deck showed a 40%ish win rate, and was one of the few non-totem shamen out there.
But, we can simplify this easily. The population of all priest players averaged together into one win rate will depress the potential win rate as compared to one expert-level Priest player far worse than say the population of all Aggro Hunters vs one expert-level Aggro Hunter player. Different decks are harder to play than others, in a nutshell. None of which necessarily validates my opinion regarding priest power, but I do know I hit #12 legend last month with it, so there's something to it.
My view is that aggro DH is still the best deck but when you do talk about priest being the best deck are you referring to specifically highlander priest or do you mean the non-singleton versions or both? Given that fast44, who is rank 1 legend with HL hunter, has an over 70% win rate vs priests in the top 100, it's safe to say this is an extremely unfavourable matchup for the priest. When then judging decks on a tier list, and given HL hunter's prevalence in the meta, it's difficult to accept priest is the best deck.
I also understand your point about Kibler's decks. I have been trying out his quest warrior, which should be a simple deck. The average win rate for it on hsreplay is 52%. Mine is 59% over 29 games and kibler's is well in excess of that (high 60s I think) I noticed multiple times though where I made big mistakes. I reached high legend with hunter this season and now trying other decks and with HL hunter there is decision making but what you are trying to do is just use all your mana and play threats on curve and so you don't need to plan out overly complex turns that use 4 - 6 cards etc (like enrage warrior). You just decide what to play then play it. With quest warrior there have been a number of times where I got to the end of my turn and realised there was a better order that would have netted me a better result and on some occasions I won anyway and on others I lost because of the error. Kibbler just plays his decks very well. However, when I compare priest and say HL hunter, if you accept fast44 plays his deck very well and so do other priest players like zan or eggwaffle, then it seems HL hunter is very favoured which in my opinion should place priest downwards in the meta.
Priest isn't that strong, you can beat it playing a meta deck like HL hunter quite consistently. It is unfun to play against though and feels unfair. This game has a lot of stuff though which shouldn't exist in their present form. Like why is nozdormu a thing. No one will ever play it since it's not viable but the thing is it's stupid from a game mechanic perspective to have a card which limits the time a player gets on their turn. The time you get should be untouchable. But they will never change it. Just like priest has been unfair and unfun for years. It will never change.
I can see what your saying Ravza yeah i could see the way certain conceps would not be removed just because of the simple fact that they help promote the very thing they were intentionally made to do. But i completly agree sometimes i get saved from nozderamu only because of the simple fact that i was thinking a turn ahead but sometimes it does catch me off gard like it take a look off the screen which can be a game chaing mechanic. But i compleltly agree some things will never change, and all we can do is just adapt ourselves to those circumstances x(
I mean I have won from nozdormu before because my opponents card animations took too long. You could argue you can make the plays before the animations are done BUT sometimes this is not possible. For example, if you plot twist as warlock on 10 mana with a nozdormu on board and a full hand your plot twist may not be done before your turn is over. It will keep drawing you cards during your opponent's turn. There is no time to see what you get and play accordingly. I am not saying this is a big problem. I mean the times you get nozdormu from something randomly are few and far between and you can't competitively main deck an otherwise vanilla 8/8 for 8 mana. It's just a good example of something which probably should have been fixed or removed a long time ago but never has been and probably never will.
I climbed with pirate warrior but went on a 12-1 run to make legend and then went 4-11 since hitting legend haha. So I definitely feel like I kind of caught lightning in a bottle..
I climbed with pirate warrior but went on a 12-1 run to make legend and then went 4-11 since hitting legend haha. So I definitely feel like I kind of caught lightning in a bottle..
Dang that crazy, but amazing run. I might try it out i played last night with the highlander hunter so far im in diamond 3 with a 5-5 run last night so getting there have 5 days left to reach the summint, and then get reset back i just want to reach legend already so. How is it up there is it different than in the lower tiers of rank
I don't know where this talk of highlander hunter being so good, I am 43% this season running into nothing but Rogues and Priests and demon hunters that gain control of the board dont give it up.
The stats refer to Bronze-Gold only and are not really indicative of the true strength of each class. Not saying that Priest is the most powerful class, just that the HSReplay stats don't mean much on their own
what do you mean that they do not mean much by their own?? Kiind of confused??
The stats refer to Bronze-Gold only and are not really indicative of the true strength of each class. Not saying that Priest is the most powerful class, just that the HSReplay stats don't mean much on their own
I'm quite sure that particular stat showcase is the only showcase left that looks at all ranks. I've limited the meta overview to legend (as I have premium), and the result is that the strongest Priest deck sits at a 15th place in tier two with a 51,32% winrate. Significantly lower than the decks above it with Highlander Hunter hitting 56,65% at #1.
so then you would say highlander hunter is at #1 then at lower/higher tier ranks of play?? i dont have premium so thats why i ask
I continue to believe Priest is the most powerful class at the moment, but the games tend to run into 20-25 turn range all the time, so if you're trying to actually climb in a timely fashion, that may not be the best call.
?? what am I missing?
I could explain it, but Zalae does it a lot better, so I'll paraphrase him . . .
In basically every healthy meta, there's at least one deck, and sometimes several, that are difficult enough to play correctly OR require a large enough amount of per game time to continually take the wins, such that the average person who chooses to netdeck it isn't getting anywhere near the potential win rate.
A simple example in the last meta (prior to shaman/paladin buffs, etc.) was Brian Kibler's Highlander Quest Shaman. I ran into that deck several times climbing the ladder, and it was painfully obvious that the players who copied it from him had no idea what they were doing. In fact, I'm pretty sure they didn't even know what they didn't know, which is REALLY bad for trying to seriously climb the ladder. I think that deck showed a 40%ish win rate, and was one of the few non-totem shamen out there.
But, we can simplify this easily. The population of all priest players averaged together into one win rate will depress the potential win rate as compared to one expert-level Priest player far worse than say the population of all Aggro Hunters vs one expert-level Aggro Hunter player. Different decks are harder to play than others, in a nutshell. None of which necessarily validates my opinion regarding priest power, but I do know I hit #12 legend last month with it, so there's something to it.
I completly understand, it just depends on the skill cap a person has with not just their deck, but understanding the gameplay overall. Being able to handle situational awarness of either going to hit face/or trading for a minion that has more value if left alive on the field, and can turn into a snow ball of devastating effects. Its something cool to be able to see a meta like the one right now, so being able too be in this type of circumstance is quite nice to not just have one OP deck that is blastering the rest. That said i've reach diamond 2 guys, and i'm almost there, and thank each one of you for helping me on my reach to diamond. My deck percentage with highlander hunter personally is 62% idk if its because of the way i pilot it, or the matchups that ive been getting, but its been a great journey thus far, and will continue to update you guys with my progress. Thanks for all the support guys!!!!
I don't know where this talk of highlander hunter being so good, I am 43% this season running into nothing but Rogues and Priests and demon hunters that gain control of the board dont give it up.
if you want to get on, and practice with me while i pray some of the other decks so you can get the hang of it is completly fine with me. Like i said in the post below my average in 80 game thus far is 62% win rate so i kind of have the hang of it already except for the unintended RNG card matchups that luck wins them the game or where i might commit a small misplay, if you want to play just add me and we can try some stuff out
any highlander and you’ll easily hit high legend. It’s simply extremely overpowered and comes down to who draws the highlander cards first. Boring meta and boring games but it is what it is.
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?? what am I missing?
Standard, Wild, and Classic player.Losing to Sire Denathrius makes me not want to play this game anymore.The Sire Denathrius nerf makes me want to play this game again.
Losing to Deathrattle Rogue makes me not want to play this game anymore.
The Prince Renathal nerf makes me not want to play this game anymore.
The stats refer to Bronze-Gold only and are not really indicative of the true strength of each class. Not saying that Priest is the most powerful class, just that the HSReplay stats don't mean much on their own
I'm quite sure that particular stat showcase is the only showcase left that looks at all ranks. I've limited the meta overview to legend (as I have premium), and the result is that the strongest Priest deck sits at a 15th place in tier two with a 51,32% winrate. Significantly lower than the decks above it with Highlander Hunter hitting 56,65% at #1.
Standard, Wild, and Classic player.Losing to Sire Denathrius makes me not want to play this game anymore.The Sire Denathrius nerf makes me want to play this game again.
Losing to Deathrattle Rogue makes me not want to play this game anymore.
The Prince Renathal nerf makes me not want to play this game anymore.
Priest isn't that strong, you can beat it playing a meta deck like HL hunter quite consistently. It is unfun to play against though and feels unfair. This game has a lot of stuff though which shouldn't exist in their present form. Like why is nozdormu a thing. No one will ever play it since it's not viable but the thing is it's stupid from a game mechanic perspective to have a card which limits the time a player gets on their turn. The time you get should be untouchable. But they will never change it. Just like priest has been unfair and unfun for years. It will never change.
I can see what your saying Ravza yeah i could see the way certain conceps would not be removed just because of the simple fact that they help promote the very thing they were intentionally made to do. But i completly agree sometimes i get saved from nozderamu only because of the simple fact that i was thinking a turn ahead but sometimes it does catch me off gard like it take a look off the screen which can be a game chaing mechanic. But i compleltly agree some things will never change, and all we can do is just adapt ourselves to those circumstances x(
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Update guys i'm made it to Diamond 4 so far
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I could explain it, but Zalae does it a lot better, so I'll paraphrase him . . .
In basically every healthy meta, there's at least one deck, and sometimes several, that are difficult enough to play correctly OR require a large enough amount of per game time to continually take the wins, such that the average person who chooses to netdeck it isn't getting anywhere near the potential win rate.
A simple example in the last meta (prior to shaman/paladin buffs, etc.) was Brian Kibler's Highlander Quest Shaman. I ran into that deck several times climbing the ladder, and it was painfully obvious that the players who copied it from him had no idea what they were doing. In fact, I'm pretty sure they didn't even know what they didn't know, which is REALLY bad for trying to seriously climb the ladder. I think that deck showed a 40%ish win rate, and was one of the few non-totem shamen out there.
But, we can simplify this easily. The population of all priest players averaged together into one win rate will depress the potential win rate as compared to one expert-level Priest player far worse than say the population of all Aggro Hunters vs one expert-level Aggro Hunter player. Different decks are harder to play than others, in a nutshell. None of which necessarily validates my opinion regarding priest power, but I do know I hit #12 legend last month with it, so there's something to it.
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Now I understand. I still disagree with you phrasing it as Priest, as a class, being the strongest in the game, but I see your point.
Standard, Wild, and Classic player.Losing to Sire Denathrius makes me not want to play this game anymore.The Sire Denathrius nerf makes me want to play this game again.
Losing to Deathrattle Rogue makes me not want to play this game anymore.
The Prince Renathal nerf makes me not want to play this game anymore.
My view is that aggro DH is still the best deck but when you do talk about priest being the best deck are you referring to specifically highlander priest or do you mean the non-singleton versions or both? Given that fast44, who is rank 1 legend with HL hunter, has an over 70% win rate vs priests in the top 100, it's safe to say this is an extremely unfavourable matchup for the priest. When then judging decks on a tier list, and given HL hunter's prevalence in the meta, it's difficult to accept priest is the best deck.
I also understand your point about Kibler's decks. I have been trying out his quest warrior, which should be a simple deck. The average win rate for it on hsreplay is 52%. Mine is 59% over 29 games and kibler's is well in excess of that (high 60s I think) I noticed multiple times though where I made big mistakes. I reached high legend with hunter this season and now trying other decks and with HL hunter there is decision making but what you are trying to do is just use all your mana and play threats on curve and so you don't need to plan out overly complex turns that use 4 - 6 cards etc (like enrage warrior). You just decide what to play then play it. With quest warrior there have been a number of times where I got to the end of my turn and realised there was a better order that would have netted me a better result and on some occasions I won anyway and on others I lost because of the error. Kibbler just plays his decks very well. However, when I compare priest and say HL hunter, if you accept fast44 plays his deck very well and so do other priest players like zan or eggwaffle, then it seems HL hunter is very favoured which in my opinion should place priest downwards in the meta.
I mean I have won from nozdormu before because my opponents card animations took too long. You could argue you can make the plays before the animations are done BUT sometimes this is not possible. For example, if you plot twist as warlock on 10 mana with a nozdormu on board and a full hand your plot twist may not be done before your turn is over. It will keep drawing you cards during your opponent's turn. There is no time to see what you get and play accordingly. I am not saying this is a big problem. I mean the times you get nozdormu from something randomly are few and far between and you can't competitively main deck an otherwise vanilla 8/8 for 8 mana. It's just a good example of something which probably should have been fixed or removed a long time ago but never has been and probably never will.
I climbed with pirate warrior but went on a 12-1 run to make legend and then went 4-11 since hitting legend haha. So I definitely feel like I kind of caught lightning in a bottle..
Dang that crazy, but amazing run. I might try it out i played last night with the highlander hunter so far im in diamond 3 with a 5-5 run last night so getting there have 5 days left to reach the summint, and then get reset back i just want to reach legend already so. How is it up there is it different than in the lower tiers of rank
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I don't know where this talk of highlander hunter being so good, I am 43% this season running into nothing but Rogues and Priests and demon hunters that gain control of the board dont give it up.
what do you mean that they do not mean much by their own?? Kiind of confused??
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so then you would say highlander hunter is at #1 then at lower/higher tier ranks of play?? i dont have premium so thats why i ask
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I completly understand, it just depends on the skill cap a person has with not just their deck, but understanding the gameplay overall. Being able to handle situational awarness of either going to hit face/or trading for a minion that has more value if left alive on the field, and can turn into a snow ball of devastating effects. Its something cool to be able to see a meta like the one right now, so being able too be in this type of circumstance is quite nice to not just have one OP deck that is blastering the rest. That said i've reach diamond 2 guys, and i'm almost there, and thank each one of you for helping me on my reach to diamond. My deck percentage with highlander hunter personally is 62% idk if its because of the way i pilot it, or the matchups that ive been getting, but its been a great journey thus far, and will continue to update you guys with my progress. Thanks for all the support guys!!!!
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if you want to get on, and practice with me while i pray some of the other decks so you can get the hang of it is completly fine with me. Like i said in the post below my average in 80 game thus far is 62% win rate so i kind of have the hang of it already except for the unintended RNG card matchups that luck wins them the game or where i might commit a small misplay, if you want to play just add me and we can try some stuff out
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any highlander and you’ll easily hit high legend. It’s simply extremely overpowered and comes down to who draws the highlander cards first. Boring meta and boring games but it is what it is.