Did I missed something? I thought the whole point of the new "bonus stars" system was to make you face fine duellists, opponents the same level as yours, while climbing... and then, once you exhausted your "bonus stars", i.e. once you reached the league you belong to, you'd face only people of the same league, in order to start truly fighting for climbing even more.
I climbed up to that level, D10, two weeks ago... since then, it's been only but pain. I tried many decks, my owns, popular ones on Hearthpwn, tried to switch for that damn Demon Hunter I hated at first, mixed some good ideas, stick to a personal deck for 50 matches, one little card change every 10 matches... It wasn't enough, best I could do was D7 and I'm currently D9.
I've been questioning myself a lot, and am ready to conclude that I'm simply not good enough, failing with a deck everyone "reaches legend for the first time" with. BUT. I just faced a Mage who got Ô so lucky with its Box of Yogg-Saron. Had 6 health, myself had 20... but I lost on that... I never complained about RNG on Hearthstone and well, I'm not gonna start now because that bad luck doesn't happen to me often.
I added the opponent as a friend, and surprise! His rank is legend! Am I only facing people who got to reach Legend while I couldn't get to D5? Would that explain how stuck I am? This has been a frustrating couple of weeks and I would be pissed it all happened because in fact, so many people reached Legend with the new meta that now we in D10-D6 must be the "mediocre Legend players" sparring partners.
This wasn't the deal... or did I misread something? I first thought that climbing system was clever. I kinda feel betrayed. I thought this wasn't supposed to happen at all. How do we climb if there is a chance everyone in my league is actually losing, instead of a closed-league system where for one loser, there's automatically also a winner inside that league?
Yeah I hadnt played for a few months and got back this expac to play some ranked.
Obviously I hadnt played ranked in a while so I didnt get many bonus stars. I stopped getting them somewhere in high silver. Had to grind to no end and when I reached plat 5 I just stopped caring. I´m facing 90% res priest and aggro DH here. If someone adds me afterwards, 75% of the times they are legend rank. Really low legend rank but still.
For someone who got back to this game after a break, I HATE this new ranked system. Instead of having to grind 20 ranks to reach 1-5, where I usually end up, I have to grind 50 ranks to get there. No thanks
I'm on the other end of this confusion. I'm Legend but like 55,000 now (can't climb to save my life as a win climbs me like 50-100 and a loss drops me 400-500). And i'm facing platinum and gold players almost every game... I feel bad when i beat someone at Gold 1 but i'd be conceding every other game if i were to play the 'good guy' every game where it counts...
If you think you lose because legend players are so much better, I have bad news for you; you probably aren't very good at the game.
Legend players aren't THAT much better than any other player. They just have spent more time climbing.
So either you need to keep playing and eventually you'll get there. Or you need to improve by watching streamers/playing Vs friends who you know are really good or long time players. Try to think ahead a turn or 2. What's my opponent going to play on turn 4? What cards could counter my plays? Did he mulligan away his opening hand or did he keep 2 or 3 cards. It makes the difference.
Thank you GPNL. Well, I might agree that I'm not good enough. But I'm tedious, I've been willing to improve, I'm used to watch streamers and friends play, and I'm playing Hearthstone for a long time. I know my deck by heart, I studied the current meta so for example, I know I shouldn't let a Rogue inoffensive Lackey alive on turn 5 if I wan't to prevent my opponent getting a Treasure on turn 6.
I mentioned that game against a Mage. I had him. I had a shield minion on board and he had no minions. He had 6 health and I had enough to kill him with Hero Power + spells. I brought him that low quickly, by facing, because I knew it would get harder to survive later. I knew he only had spells. I knew he played the secret that gives him 8 armor if I attacked so I went 2 turns not attacking in order to get him there. With his box, he got 2 Charge minions, 4 armor + 4 attack Druid spell, something to kill my minion, 10 damage spell that hit me instead of the 5 other potential targets (himself or at least his minions), etc.
I really think I had just bad luck here, and did not misplay at all anywhere during that match. It happens. And 8 times out of 10, I should win this. But how to avoid getting mad when discovering my opponent is Legend? Obviously, you're right, I'm not good enough! Obviously, he's 33,000 Legend so not THAT much better than any other player, but should I face guys like him constantly? I agree, I could improve, but shouldn't I be allowed to have to improve only once I reached my personal limit, only once I'm swimming in a pool of players just as good and as bad as me?
I believe I at least deserve to be in D5, and from there deserve to compete for Legend against other D5 guys. I'm not saying I'm the best and the game results pure injustice. I believe I deserve to lose a lot, but am surprised the explanation lies in something like : "yeah, it's perfectly normal... as the competition is rigged". So they climbed a lot more and are maybe just a liiiittle bit better players, and better equipped. Fine. Let have them fight each other, then! I'd like to encounter them only once I improved.
You need to ask someone better than you to watch your play, because somewhere you're making mistakes. If you're getting stuck somewhere then that's the level you're consistently playing at it's that simple. So you probably need to tidy up a few mistakes. It is much easier to get legend this month and honestly I've seen and made a million misplays from playing legend players in Top 1000 nevermind the other 99000 in legend currently so don't worry about playing a "legend" player. Some games you just lose to crazy RNG nothing to do about those but watch the game up until that point I can guarantee there were a few decisions along the way where you might have altered that game and it never gets to a crazy puzzle box.
If you are in D9 you are about as good as the majority of Legend players. Obviosly the top Legend players are better, but most are just there because they play more games than you. The skill diffrence between ranks is little to non. If you pick a good deck indstead of your own you can get in.
But the main issue is you should not face a legend player. And you are right, that is not what we are told. I personally think the idea of the ladder is really good, but it does not work, simply becouse of this. This is what is the most impotant park of the ladder, and the reason why you wont gravitate towards 50% winrate. This was supposed to be the reason you can climb further than your bonus. And for that not to work makes me kindda angry, even though I myself am a legend player
@OP: I agree. I also thought it work the way that you think it would, however I am in lower Legend playing Platinum/Gold/Diamond people like 40-50% of the time.
It is first of all not fair for them to face a "better" player but also, if they play a perfect counter to my deck (and there are match up's that are almost unwinable unless there are perfect mulligans or RNGs) I lose tons of Legend Ranks whereas winning gets me like half of what I would loose vs a "worse" player.
As it stands it doesn't really look to make sense in any direction.
If you think you lose because legend players are so much better, I have bad news for you; you probably aren't very good at the game.
Legend players aren't THAT much better than any other player. They just have spent more time climbing.
Spoken like a true player who probably never reached legend before! So many silly contradictions in this one statement... "If you don't realize that other Legend players are BAD, you are a BAD player" "Other legend players are just like other players, but you only good when you realize this..."
What a joke statement. If you want to become good at this game you got to put in the time! Look at your own gameplay and not at others. You don't learn as much from watching streams, not as much as when you play yourself. Take the time to learn a good deck for at least 60+ games.
Legend players improve on the micro-decisions they make in this game by grinding and playing many many many games. That makes them good. But you probably knew that already as the truly Legend player that you are :)
Maybe there aren't that many players in legend playing, so the system has to match up them with ones that have a similar skill level (MMR). That's how i can imagine this is happening. Well, or they are playing meme decks and losing a lot, so it's quite obvious they are facing Gold/Platinum/Diamond Players.
I'm on the other end of this confusion. I'm Legend but like 55,000 now (can't climb to save my life as a win climbs me like 50-100 and a loss drops me 400-500). And i'm facing platinum and gold players almost every game... I feel bad when i beat someone at Gold 1 but i'd be conceding every other game if i were to play the 'good guy' every game where it counts...
I like the new ladder but not the matchmaking. It doesn’t really feel good for either player. A nice compromise would be displaying players mmr. I know they stated that meming at rank floors won’t affect it but that doesn’t seem to be working.
It’s good that you aren’t blaming rng. You can make it if you keep at it and adjust properly.
I don't understand the matchmaking either. I just hit legend and have winning since hitting such as dropping about 6k places yesterday. But the majority of my games are against low plats, with maybe 1 in 5 games being against legend.
Maybe I am secretly bad and blizzard knows it so keeps throwing me a bone!
Yeah Ik. This is a huge issue for me, because as a legend player, I would like to face fellow players from the same rank, but instead I'm only matched against try-harders from gold or platinum, who run some boring crap like tempo DH or face Hunter. I can't even meme around in casual anymore... Blizzard should fix it.
Well, it seems that matchmaking depends on MMR now and not actual rank. So even if you face a legend player then he most likely close to you in skill level. And as was already mentioned many players stop playing tryhard "boring but effective" cancer decks once they reach legend and start to meme, so you're the one bieng in advantage in such matchup.
I was in pretty similar situation as you, maybe just a bit luckier: star bonus ended at d10 after around one week, next week i spent climbing to d5 through some lucky win streaks and decided to try to go further only to be stuck in neverending win|lose loop with "I'm simply not good enough" thoughts etc. In the end I got so sick of it that I just built the most agressive DH i could think of and finally trhyharded my way into legend for the first time (yeah, like so many other people) 2 days ago throught sheer force of grind. And I only played fun decks since then, finally able to enjoy the game instead of doing it like a chore. I quite often get matched against d10-d5 so I assume that's where my real skill level is.
TLDR: don't give up and just grind, legend opponents often are easier wins than people who're climbing.
Did I missed something? I thought the whole point of the new "bonus stars" system was to make you face fine duellists, opponents the same level as yours, while climbing... and then, once you exhausted your "bonus stars", i.e. once you reached the league you belong to, you'd face only people of the same league, in order to start truly fighting for climbing even more.
I climbed up to that level, D10, two weeks ago... since then, it's been only but pain. I tried many decks, my owns, popular ones on Hearthpwn, tried to switch for that damn Demon Hunter I hated at first, mixed some good ideas, stick to a personal deck for 50 matches, one little card change every 10 matches... It wasn't enough, best I could do was D7 and I'm currently D9.
I've been questioning myself a lot, and am ready to conclude that I'm simply not good enough, failing with a deck everyone "reaches legend for the first time" with. BUT. I just faced a Mage who got Ô so lucky with its Box of Yogg-Saron. Had 6 health, myself had 20... but I lost on that... I never complained about RNG on Hearthstone and well, I'm not gonna start now because that bad luck doesn't happen to me often.
I added the opponent as a friend, and surprise! His rank is legend! Am I only facing people who got to reach Legend while I couldn't get to D5? Would that explain how stuck I am? This has been a frustrating couple of weeks and I would be pissed it all happened because in fact, so many people reached Legend with the new meta that now we in D10-D6 must be the "mediocre Legend players" sparring partners.
This wasn't the deal... or did I misread something? I first thought that climbing system was clever. I kinda feel betrayed. I thought this wasn't supposed to happen at all. How do we climb if there is a chance everyone in my league is actually losing, instead of a closed-league system where for one loser, there's automatically also a winner inside that league?
Yeah I hadnt played for a few months and got back this expac to play some ranked.
Obviously I hadnt played ranked in a while so I didnt get many bonus stars. I stopped getting them somewhere in high silver. Had to grind to no end and when I reached plat 5 I just stopped caring. I´m facing 90% res priest and aggro DH here. If someone adds me afterwards, 75% of the times they are legend rank. Really low legend rank but still.
For someone who got back to this game after a break, I HATE this new ranked system. Instead of having to grind 20 ranks to reach 1-5, where I usually end up, I have to grind 50 ranks to get there. No thanks
I'm on the other end of this confusion. I'm Legend but like 55,000 now (can't climb to save my life as a win climbs me like 50-100 and a loss drops me 400-500). And i'm facing platinum and gold players almost every game... I feel bad when i beat someone at Gold 1 but i'd be conceding every other game if i were to play the 'good guy' every game where it counts...
OTK players suck.
If you think you lose because legend players are so much better, I have bad news for you; you probably aren't very good at the game.
Legend players aren't THAT much better than any other player. They just have spent more time climbing.
So either you need to keep playing and eventually you'll get there. Or you need to improve by watching streamers/playing Vs friends who you know are really good or long time players. Try to think ahead a turn or 2. What's my opponent going to play on turn 4? What cards could counter my plays? Did he mulligan away his opening hand or did he keep 2 or 3 cards. It makes the difference.
Good luck !
Thank you GPNL. Well, I might agree that I'm not good enough. But I'm tedious, I've been willing to improve, I'm used to watch streamers and friends play, and I'm playing Hearthstone for a long time. I know my deck by heart, I studied the current meta so for example, I know I shouldn't let a Rogue inoffensive Lackey alive on turn 5 if I wan't to prevent my opponent getting a Treasure on turn 6.
I mentioned that game against a Mage. I had him. I had a shield minion on board and he had no minions. He had 6 health and I had enough to kill him with Hero Power + spells. I brought him that low quickly, by facing, because I knew it would get harder to survive later. I knew he only had spells. I knew he played the secret that gives him 8 armor if I attacked so I went 2 turns not attacking in order to get him there. With his box, he got 2 Charge minions, 4 armor + 4 attack Druid spell, something to kill my minion, 10 damage spell that hit me instead of the 5 other potential targets (himself or at least his minions), etc.
I really think I had just bad luck here, and did not misplay at all anywhere during that match. It happens. And 8 times out of 10, I should win this. But how to avoid getting mad when discovering my opponent is Legend? Obviously, you're right, I'm not good enough! Obviously, he's 33,000 Legend so not THAT much better than any other player, but should I face guys like him constantly? I agree, I could improve, but shouldn't I be allowed to have to improve only once I reached my personal limit, only once I'm swimming in a pool of players just as good and as bad as me?
I believe I at least deserve to be in D5, and from there deserve to compete for Legend against other D5 guys. I'm not saying I'm the best and the game results pure injustice. I believe I deserve to lose a lot, but am surprised the explanation lies in something like : "yeah, it's perfectly normal... as the competition is rigged". So they climbed a lot more and are maybe just a liiiittle bit better players, and better equipped. Fine. Let have them fight each other, then! I'd like to encounter them only once I improved.
On which server do you play?
Maybe you can use some advice? Diamond 5 shouldn't be that hard to get to these days.
You need to ask someone better than you to watch your play, because somewhere you're making mistakes. If you're getting stuck somewhere then that's the level you're consistently playing at it's that simple. So you probably need to tidy up a few mistakes. It is much easier to get legend this month and honestly I've seen and made a million misplays from playing legend players in Top 1000 nevermind the other 99000 in legend currently so don't worry about playing a "legend" player. Some games you just lose to crazy RNG nothing to do about those but watch the game up until that point I can guarantee there were a few decisions along the way where you might have altered that game and it never gets to a crazy puzzle box.
If you are in D9 you are about as good as the majority of Legend players. Obviosly the top Legend players are better, but most are just there because they play more games than you. The skill diffrence between ranks is little to non. If you pick a good deck indstead of your own you can get in.
But the main issue is you should not face a legend player. And you are right, that is not what we are told. I personally think the idea of the ladder is really good, but it does not work, simply becouse of this. This is what is the most impotant park of the ladder, and the reason why you wont gravitate towards 50% winrate. This was supposed to be the reason you can climb further than your bonus. And for that not to work makes me kindda angry, even though I myself am a legend player
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@OP: I agree. I also thought it work the way that you think it would, however I am in lower Legend playing Platinum/Gold/Diamond people like 40-50% of the time.
It is first of all not fair for them to face a "better" player but also, if they play a perfect counter to my deck (and there are match up's that are almost unwinable unless there are perfect mulligans or RNGs) I lose tons of Legend Ranks whereas winning gets me like half of what I would loose vs a "worse" player.
As it stands it doesn't really look to make sense in any direction.
Tough call .. Legend players are much more likely to be playing meme decks than D9-1 players who are inevitably T1ing their way to the finish line.
Spoken like a true player who probably never reached legend before!
So many silly contradictions in this one statement... "If you don't realize that other Legend players are BAD, you are a BAD player" "Other legend players are just like other players, but you only good when you realize this..."
What a joke statement. If you want to become good at this game you got to put in the time! Look at your own gameplay and not at others.
You don't learn as much from watching streams, not as much as when you play yourself. Take the time to learn a good deck for at least 60+ games.
Legend players improve on the micro-decisions they make in this game by grinding and playing many many many games.
That makes them good. But you probably knew that already as the truly Legend player that you are :)
- Doubters do not achieve; skeptics do not contribute; cynics do not create -
Maybe there aren't that many players in legend playing, so the system has to match up them with ones that have a similar skill level (MMR). That's how i can imagine this is happening. Well, or they are playing meme decks and losing a lot, so it's quite obvious they are facing Gold/Platinum/Diamond Players.
@OP: See this thread I just posted.
*insert Azzainthemist at the 3rd frame*
I like the new ladder but not the matchmaking. It doesn’t really feel good for either player. A nice compromise would be displaying players mmr. I know they stated that meming at rank floors won’t affect it but that doesn’t seem to be working.
It’s good that you aren’t blaming rng. You can make it if you keep at it and adjust properly.
I don't understand the matchmaking either. I just hit legend and have winning since hitting such as dropping about 6k places yesterday. But the majority of my games are against low plats, with maybe 1 in 5 games being against legend.
Maybe I am secretly bad and blizzard knows it so keeps throwing me a bone!
Yeah Ik. This is a huge issue for me, because as a legend player, I would like to face fellow players from the same rank, but instead I'm only matched against try-harders from gold or platinum, who run some boring crap like tempo DH or face Hunter. I can't even meme around in casual anymore... Blizzard should fix it.
This.
Well, it seems that matchmaking depends on MMR now and not actual rank. So even if you face a legend player then he most likely close to you in skill level. And as was already mentioned many players stop playing tryhard "boring but effective" cancer decks once they reach legend and start to meme, so you're the one bieng in advantage in such matchup.
I was in pretty similar situation as you, maybe just a bit luckier: star bonus ended at d10 after around one week, next week i spent climbing to d5 through some lucky win streaks and decided to try to go further only to be stuck in neverending win|lose loop with "I'm simply not good enough" thoughts etc. In the end I got so sick of it that I just built the most agressive DH i could think of and finally trhyharded my way into legend for the first time (yeah, like so many other people) 2 days ago throught sheer force of grind. And I only played fun decks since then, finally able to enjoy the game instead of doing it like a chore. I quite often get matched against d10-d5 so I assume that's where my real skill level is.
TLDR: don't give up and just grind, legend opponents often are easier wins than people who're climbing.
Blizzard promised: if no Bonus stars, you face your same rank