This is ridiculous, after seeing the obviously OP gala shaman go live last season, blizzard have somehow outdone themselve.
There is a DH deck on HSreplay with ATLEAST 70% WR against all other classes.
Atleast 70, no counter has been found yet.
How you can not see this when printing / testing these cards is beyond me.
Thanks blizzard for ruining the most fun days of the expansion, where creative deckbuliding is something you have to do yourself instead of copy and paste a code.
To everyone playing DH, i hope your proud of yourself, you guys are like a virus, spreading fast and sucking out the fun for the rest of everyone.
Maybe you guys want to merge the people who created battlefield 5, they know what its like to shit on their community.
I dit not want to play DH got all cards for a fun spell only mage deck and secret rouge but they dont work against DH so what to do.. made the switch to the dark side and won 27/30 games..
I've been using a control warlock list and found Demon Hunter to be the easiest match to be honest. Ran into a couple of Res priest which ruined me but with plot twist and broodmother, the clears Warlock has, nether breath and sac pact, you can control DH fairly considerably in the early and.mid game and once it gets to the Kate game then SP is insane, takes care of big demons instantly, for free and heals 5. The new taunt which spawns a 5/5 lifesteal and then the prime bringing them back, it generally fairs really well against them. I think I'm 10 and 2 against them so far.
Also, it's really early days, a really high number of people will be playing DH right now and playing against poorly optimised decks so I fully expect that win rate to come down.
Every expansion, without fail, there is this exact thread. 12 or so hours after launch and soke class or card is crazy OP etc etc, it will calm down.
I've been using a control warlock list and found Demon Hunter to be the easiest match to be honest. Ran into a couple of Res priest which ruined me but with plot twist and broodmother, the clears Warlock has, nether breath and sac pact, you can control DH fairly considerably in the early and.mid game and once it gets to the Kate game then SP is insane, takes care of big demons instantly, for free and heals 5. The new taunt which spawns a 5/5 lifesteal and then the prime bringing them back, it generally fairs really well against them. I think I'm 10 and 2 against them so far.
Also, it's really early days, a really high number of people will be playing DH right now and playing against poorly optimised decks so I fully expect that win rate to come down.
Every expansion, without fail, there is this exact thread. 12 or so hours after launch and soke class or card is crazy OP etc etc, it will calm down.
Don't give me that "every expansion there is a OP deck" Gala shaman was by far the most opressive deck and i can remember they were around 60-65%. Not even near 75%.
If you try to defend this deck you are the biggest bitch on hearthstone.
I have to say, 1 day in, im mighty pissed off I decided to come back and spend £200 AGAIN. This will be the last time for sure. No trick in the book will bring me back next time.
Lol what makes you think they have a testing team ? After all those years im pretty sure they dont and this time they actually proved us ... we are in for another long time of suffering the same broken meta. ( hsreplay says Dh has 8% winrate more than the other classes i've never seen that again although many are playing only Dh right now)
I mean i dont get it they make a new class to attract people, cool so far then give them cards so broken you know just by looking at them we didnt even have to try them, ok then leave all other classes with cards of the usual powerlevel having almost no chance to compete against Dh and now every other class is almost unplayable you have to play Dh if you wanna rank up .. the ladder is Dh vs Dh how do they think this will attract people? The game gets boring within a day facing the same thing over and over
I've been using a control warlock list and found Demon Hunter to be the easiest match to be honest. Ran into a couple of Res priest which ruined me but with plot twist and broodmother, the clears Warlock has, nether breath and sac pact, you can control DH fairly considerably in the early and.mid game and once it gets to the Kate game then SP is insane, takes care of big demons instantly, for free and heals 5. The new taunt which spawns a 5/5 lifesteal and then the prime bringing them back, it generally fairs really well against them. I think I'm 10 and 2 against them so far.
Also, it's really early days, a really high number of people will be playing DH right now and playing against poorly optimised decks so I fully expect that win rate to come down.
Every expansion, without fail, there is this exact thread. 12 or so hours after launch and soke class or card is crazy OP etc etc, it will calm down.
For almost all of the expansions, I would've agreed with you. There are always strong decks at launch, followed by a week of teching other decks to beat those decks, and then the meta settles a bit.
But now, this time around, you either have very little understanding of how a meta-game like Hearthstone should work, or you must not have faced the ridiculousness that is Kael'thas DH. I'll try to explain my issue with Demon Hunter as briefly as possible, using the following sentence:
IT CAN LITERALLY DO EVERYTHING REALLY WELL.
Typically, every class has its weaknesses and strengths. Although Blizzard has dropped the ball on class identity, it's my believe they did a fairly decent job in rectifying that. Warlock can draw and swarm, but classically lacks healing. Hunter can go face, but lacks AoE. Mage has amazing spells and AoE, but lacks board presence. But Illidan, he doesn't care about all that. He can swarm and draw, and then do mental healing with his abysmal Lifesteal weapon. He can discount, go face (through Taunts), and he can gain board control by making a board himself, as well as completely demolishing yours.
My point is: there is absolutely no balance. At all. The class can do everything, and it's not healthy for the meta and the game. And for everyone saying "But I can counter it with this or that deck"... That is NOT how a game like this should be. It's supposed to be balanced, by including something in every deck for every deck. Not this rock-paper-scissor meta of either mirrors or one deck being countered by the other.
I get that the meta needs to settle down, but there's NO way Demon Hunter will suddenly be less powerful. Its core cards are ridiculous, as portrayed by the fact that it's even dominating Wild at the moment. With every other class having access to over 5 years of cards, while DH's set is mere days old, it should really tell you all you need to know.
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Playing meme decks/characters does not entitle you to call a meta bad.
Why should they be fired? They knew it was going to be OP. Everyone did. For over a week people have known the ladder was going to be 90% DH, and that they would be crushing all other decks. I feel like that was almost the point. A couple days of everyone playing the new class, and they'll nerf it. I wouldn't be surprised if they had a nerf ready before the release.
You think an entire team of people should lose their jobs because they "ruined your day"? What type of spoiled brat are you? I played about 15 games, lost, and found other things to do. I bought the bundles, and like most normal people should have, I was expecting this.
The day after the nerf will be the real opening day. Decks will see what the rest of the meta will be like. If you cant handle 3 days - 2 weeks of the meta being like this. Take a step back, and re-assess your life. Healthy people don't have that type of attachment to video games.
Its day 2. It takes tine to find a good counter, and of course a new class will make a lot of players play that class.
DH obviosuly is strong, but who kones in a couple of weeks. I bet they will nerf a couple of the DH cards in the next few weeks, and then all will be good.
From my experience DH struggles against hardcore control. I think DH has a high winrate because the overall powerlevel of the cards is very high and thus it is easy to create a strong version of the deck. Once people learn how to handle the class the WR will decrease. Control warrior, mage or Priest could become a thing to keep some DHs in check.
DH will probably recieve some nerfs but I think their high winrate is a consequence of all the other classes trying to optimize their decks - which is a easier proces for DH when 80 % of their cards are pretty strong.
I've been using a control warlock list and found Demon Hunter to be the easiest match to be honest. Ran into a couple of Res priest which ruined me but with plot twist and broodmother, the clears Warlock has, nether breath and sac pact, you can control DH fairly considerably in the early and.mid game and once it gets to the Kate game then SP is insane, takes care of big demons instantly, for free and heals 5. The new taunt which spawns a 5/5 lifesteal and then the prime bringing them back, it generally fairs really well against them. I think I'm 10 and 2 against them so far.
Also, it's really early days, a really high number of people will be playing DH right now and playing against poorly optimised decks so I fully expect that win rate to come down.
Every expansion, without fail, there is this exact thread. 12 or so hours after launch and soke class or card is crazy OP etc etc, it will calm down.
For almost all of the expansions, I would've agreed with you. There are always strong decks at launch, followed by a week of teching other decks to beat those decks, and then the meta settles a bit.
But now, this time around, you either have very little understanding of how a meta-game like Hearthstone should work, or you must not have faced the ridiculousness that is Kael'thas DH. I'll try to explain my issue with Demon Hunter as briefly as possible, using the following sentence:
IT CAN LITERALLY DO EVERYTHING REALLY WELL.
Typically, every class has its weaknesses and strengths. Although Blizzard has dropped the ball on class identity, it's my believe they did a fairly decent job in rectifying that. Warlock can draw and swarm, but classically lacks healing. Hunter can go face, but lacks AoE. Mage has amazing spells and AoE, but lacks board presence. But Illidan, he doesn't care about all that. He can swarm and draw, and then do mental healing with his abysmal Lifesteal weapon. He can discount, go face (through Taunts), and he can gain board control by making a board himself, as well as completely demolishing yours.
My point is: there is absolutely no balance. At all. The class can do everything, and it's not healthy for the meta and the game. And for everyone saying "But I can counter it with this or that deck"... That is NOT how a game like this should be. It's supposed to be balanced, by including something in every deck for every deck. Not this rock-paper-scissor meta of either mirrors or one deck being countered by the other.
I get that the meta needs to settle down, but there's NO way Demon Hunter will suddenly be less powerful. Its core cards are ridiculous, as portrayed by the fact that it's even dominating Wild at the moment. With every other class having access to over 5 years of cards, while DH's set is mere days old, it should really tell you all you need to know.
No need to be patronising. I understand it quite well hence why I'm 10 and 2 with a thrown together Warlockdeck that hadn't had any refining and I'm not even a good deck builder whereas you are acting like it's unbeatable. It isn't at all, control seems really good against it, particularly where there is decent healing or armour gain. O think I'm around 2 for 2 with my priest and warrior as well. It's never felt overwhelming to me but it's clearly a strong class and I assume will run over certain classes and decks.
If it wasn't strong then there would be kicking off and complaints at Blizzard's lame attempt to bring a new class in, that they shouldn't have bothered and the design team don't have a clue.
They literally cannot win so if you aren't having fun, don't play. It really is that simple.
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This is ridiculous, after seeing the obviously OP gala shaman go live last season, blizzard have somehow outdone themselve.
There is a DH deck on HSreplay with ATLEAST 70% WR against all other classes.
Atleast 70, no counter has been found yet.
How you can not see this when printing / testing these cards is beyond me.
Thanks blizzard for ruining the most fun days of the expansion, where creative deckbuliding is something you have to do yourself instead of copy and paste a code.
To everyone playing DH, i hope your proud of yourself, you guys are like a virus, spreading fast and sucking out the fun for the rest of everyone.
Maybe you guys want to merge the people who created battlefield 5, they know what its like to shit on their community.
We are Blizzard's testing team. And I'd very much like to keep my job.
Playing meme decks/characters does not entitle you to call a meta bad.
feels like 8 year old little timmy son of michael bay tested these cards.
he likes the big numbers and flashy effects.
New OP Free Class is just an incentive to make people play. Expect some nerf before April 20th!
Come on, all of the cards are fine. I’ve been playing DH all day and had an absolute blast.
I dit not want to play DH got all cards for a fun spell only mage deck and secret rouge but they dont work against DH so what to do.. made the switch to the dark side and won 27/30 games..
I've been using a control warlock list and found Demon Hunter to be the easiest match to be honest. Ran into a couple of Res priest which ruined me but with plot twist and broodmother, the clears Warlock has, nether breath and sac pact, you can control DH fairly considerably in the early and.mid game and once it gets to the Kate game then SP is insane, takes care of big demons instantly, for free and heals 5. The new taunt which spawns a 5/5 lifesteal and then the prime bringing them back, it generally fairs really well against them. I think I'm 10 and 2 against them so far.
Also, it's really early days, a really high number of people will be playing DH right now and playing against poorly optimised decks so I fully expect that win rate to come down.
Every expansion, without fail, there is this exact thread. 12 or so hours after launch and soke class or card is crazy OP etc etc, it will calm down.
I agree the first days are ruined but he will get nerfed soon.
Don't give me that "every expansion there is a OP deck" Gala shaman was by far the most opressive deck and i can remember they were around 60-65%. Not even near 75%.
If you try to defend this deck you are the biggest bitch on hearthstone.
I have to say, 1 day in, im mighty pissed off I decided to come back and spend £200 AGAIN. This will be the last time for sure. No trick in the book will bring me back next time.
Lol what makes you think they have a testing team ? After all those years im pretty sure they dont and this time they actually proved us ... we are in for another long time of suffering the same broken meta. ( hsreplay says Dh has 8% winrate more than the other classes i've never seen that again although many are playing only Dh right now)
I mean i dont get it they make a new class to attract people, cool so far then give them cards so broken you know just by looking at them we didnt even have to try them, ok then leave all other classes with cards of the usual powerlevel having almost no chance to compete against Dh and now every other class is almost unplayable you have to play Dh if you wanna rank up .. the ladder is Dh vs Dh how do they think this will attract people? The game gets boring within a day facing the same thing over and over
But how many times have you won/lost with DH?
Lol if you paid money for this.
For almost all of the expansions, I would've agreed with you. There are always strong decks at launch, followed by a week of teching other decks to beat those decks, and then the meta settles a bit.
But now, this time around, you either have very little understanding of how a meta-game like Hearthstone should work, or you must not have faced the ridiculousness that is Kael'thas DH. I'll try to explain my issue with Demon Hunter as briefly as possible, using the following sentence:
IT CAN LITERALLY DO EVERYTHING REALLY WELL.
Typically, every class has its weaknesses and strengths. Although Blizzard has dropped the ball on class identity, it's my believe they did a fairly decent job in rectifying that. Warlock can draw and swarm, but classically lacks healing. Hunter can go face, but lacks AoE. Mage has amazing spells and AoE, but lacks board presence. But Illidan, he doesn't care about all that. He can swarm and draw, and then do mental healing with his abysmal Lifesteal weapon. He can discount, go face (through Taunts), and he can gain board control by making a board himself, as well as completely demolishing yours.
My point is: there is absolutely no balance. At all. The class can do everything, and it's not healthy for the meta and the game. And for everyone saying "But I can counter it with this or that deck"... That is NOT how a game like this should be. It's supposed to be balanced, by including something in every deck for every deck. Not this rock-paper-scissor meta of either mirrors or one deck being countered by the other.
I get that the meta needs to settle down, but there's NO way Demon Hunter will suddenly be less powerful. Its core cards are ridiculous, as portrayed by the fact that it's even dominating Wild at the moment. With every other class having access to over 5 years of cards, while DH's set is mere days old, it should really tell you all you need to know.
Playing meme decks/characters does not entitle you to call a meta bad.
Why should they be fired? They knew it was going to be OP. Everyone did. For over a week people have known the ladder was going to be 90% DH, and that they would be crushing all other decks. I feel like that was almost the point. A couple days of everyone playing the new class, and they'll nerf it. I wouldn't be surprised if they had a nerf ready before the release.
You think an entire team of people should lose their jobs because they "ruined your day"? What type of spoiled brat are you? I played about 15 games, lost, and found other things to do. I bought the bundles, and like most normal people should have, I was expecting this.
The day after the nerf will be the real opening day. Decks will see what the rest of the meta will be like. If you cant handle 3 days - 2 weeks of the meta being like this. Take a step back, and re-assess your life. Healthy people don't have that type of attachment to video games.
I have paid money and I am having a blast :) stop ruining the fun for other people!
By we he meant we, the players, the community.
Its day 2. It takes tine to find a good counter, and of course a new class will make a lot of players play that class.
DH obviosuly is strong, but who kones in a couple of weeks. I bet they will nerf a couple of the DH cards in the next few weeks, and then all will be good.
From my experience DH struggles against hardcore control. I think DH has a high winrate because the overall powerlevel of the cards is very high and thus it is easy to create a strong version of the deck. Once people learn how to handle the class the WR will decrease. Control warrior, mage or Priest could become a thing to keep some DHs in check.
DH will probably recieve some nerfs but I think their high winrate is a consequence of all the other classes trying to optimize their decks - which is a easier proces for DH when 80 % of their cards are pretty strong.
No need to be patronising. I understand it quite well hence why I'm 10 and 2 with a thrown together Warlockdeck that hadn't had any refining and I'm not even a good deck builder whereas you are acting like it's unbeatable. It isn't at all, control seems really good against it, particularly where there is decent healing or armour gain. O think I'm around 2 for 2 with my priest and warrior as well. It's never felt overwhelming to me but it's clearly a strong class and I assume will run over certain classes and decks.
If it wasn't strong then there would be kicking off and complaints at Blizzard's lame attempt to bring a new class in, that they shouldn't have bothered and the design team don't have a clue.
They literally cannot win so if you aren't having fun, don't play. It really is that simple.