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The new Blizzard Team since Brode sucks and sucks and sucks, there is no light at the end of the tunnel.
HS becomes more generous, yes, thats true, but the Desf are just a Joke.
Dragonmaw Poacher killed the dragons. literally. one of the most disgusting tech cards ever printed
Blows my mind how much people want to whine about this. Aggro has always been a thing and always will be a thing. Sorry the meta wont conform to your liking.
Enjoy being rank 10.
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My brother and I both got legend - and he climbed to 316 with it. Check out our guide!
But its not in any decks?
My brother and I both got legend - and he climbed to 316 with it. Check out our guide!
it's not whining. It's just stating a fact - aggro and Deathrattle Rogue create meta unplayable for dragons. One can be sad or happy about it.
in over 100 games i saw it once. but sure, this card killed dragons
Try again.
Here are the some of the reasons why we don't see that many dragon decks.
But the most important reason of all:
Lets start with one of the first cards revealed, Breath of Dreams. 67.9% of the "distinguished" Hearthpwn community rated the cards as "meta-defining". LULZ. Over 2/3 of the community were dead wrong. The card is Wild Growth together with draw a card, but conditionally. And the condition is huge. Druid has very limited access to Dragons and a spotty history with that tribe. But aside from that, the biggest payoff from WG on curve was a strong play on turn four. But there is no more Oaken Summons or Branching Paths. Druid just doesn't have a particularly strong play on four even if they pull off BoD on turn two.
Many of the other cards follow a similar trend. Frizz Kindleroost (meta defining according to 69.6% of those participating in the poll, more LULZ), is underperforming and players are considering dropping the card from their decks. Ysera 2 is too slow (so sad about this). Nozdormu 2 is even less playable than Nozdormu 1. Maygos 2 is OK, but not broken enough to make a real impact. Likewise for many of the other Dragon and dragon-synergy cards.
Meanwhile, Devoted Maniac, (labeled as Bad by 47.6%, and Dust by 18.9%) is the most played card in Standard. Its an auto include in every Galakrond deck, and every Galakrond deck save Priest is broken.
In Constructed play, "good" cards just don't cut it. The cards (and the decks) have to do extremely broken things to be competitive. Dragons are good, but not good enough.
Your "facts" are in error, just like the ridiculously wrong evaluations of many of the cards from this x-pac.
I made legend a few days ago with Highlander Rogue, it only plays the new Alex. But it is good against aggro and one of the most fun decks i played since a long time.
...huh? I mean some of your points are completely salient but in no way refute the person you quoted. Some I disagree with though. In truth you are both right in some ways.
Firstly, what do you mean druid has limited access to dragons? This is simply not true and the condition is hardly huge. It's stupid easy to meat. Also twighlight drake is a power turn 4 play after playing a ramp card that ALSO drew you a card. Druid's issue is, it's just too damn slow, even with the ramp. Taking turn two to ramp against a pirate warrior is just very difficult proposition when they can essentially put up to 4 minions on their turn two while literally generating more value in their hand. Anyhow that is just an example. My point is that the card is good, druid dragons are good, BUT they aren't fast enough in this meta. I think the quoted person to be right in this case.
I think your assessment of Frizz, Nozdormu and Ysera are spot on. Too slow. Which is why I am confused about why you are arguing with the quoted person. If something is two slow, what sort of decks punish the shit out of that? Tempo and Aggro, the two decks types he listed. (as DR rogue is a tempo deck).
As far as devoted maniac goes, the card was rated bad when people were still fuzzy on how Invoke would work. It's why I rated it badly. Also it's in every Galakrond deck because no one gets more than 8 invoke cards. It essentially HAS to be in there. If I had the option I would play different invoke cards I would. That being said now that I understand how the card works I'd rate it as playable. Cause it is.
I guess I just don't know why you are arguing with him. Good aggro decks make it hard to play slower type decks. Aggro beats midrange. Dragon Druid is midrange. When the better decks are aggro and Tempo then yeah, midrange is gonna suffer badly. You can take what would otherwise be strong cards and they become a LOT worse.
Dragon decks are missing just a few cards to make them truly viable. The problem right now is that every Galakron deck (except Priest) has a very powerful late game. The only way to counter that is with a very strong early game... hence, the rise of aggro decks.
Dragon decks are good mid-range decks but lack both a very strong start and a powerful late game. I really wanted Dragon Paladin to work but it simply doesn't have enough good early game Dragons (and no 1-drops) and no late game. Indeed, the Dragon legendary cards for Paladin are complete trash.
So how can that deck compete with Galakrond on turn 7 or 8? It can't.
I have been trying Highlander Dragon decks recently and they're more competitive, because Dragonqueen Alexstrasa alone is very powerful. But even then, it's at best Tier 2.
I have 3 highlander dragon decks that do fairly well (mage, pal, druid). Was able to climb to 5 with them. Versus aggro Pal's is easily the best for heal but druid as well. I play them because they are fun not to make high legend. I'm happy with the expansion but look forward to the rotation when all these cards will get a big spike in power with year of the raven cards leaving.
I am also interested to see if dragons get a push in Jan.
Make Dragon Decks viable ? Give us more Dragons, simple as that.
-There is not a single Dragon with Taunt in the entire Game
-There are no 1-3 Cost Dragons except Faerie & Brightwing in the entire Game. To be fair, we still have firetree witchdoctor. But thats not enoudh.
I’ve been playing shirvala otk and it is fantastic against aggro. I ran into the problem that my hand was always too full, so I cut some draw and I put in 2x Amber watcher and 2xholy light. Face hunters have 0 chance of winning and it seems good against pirates too so far.
I think the new team are fine. All sorts of trash happened on Brode's watch.
Emerald explorer is a taunt.
yes your right, there is an exclusive druid dragon taunt minion
Just sayin' :)
In agreement that the amount and power of current aggro decks has severely limited the chance to play dragons. You just don't have time to play a large but slow minion against decks which are too busy smashing your face to care (pirate warrior) or often ignore the state of the board entirely (face hunter).
Whilst there are 'viable' control decks which include dragons none of them are particularly strong.
What is frustrating is the opinion that someone must be a 'bad player' if they voice concerns about aggro. I hate aggro, it is boring as shit to play and play against and just doesn't suit my tastes BUT I appreciate it takes skill to play and is a legitimate style. It is frustrating when it dominates a meta though.
So please don't give people stick because they are frustrated by aggro. And don't be dicks and start attacking someone's opinions which they are legitimately allowed to voice.
There is only my justice now