The deck feels incredibly weak to me. Both to play, and when I'm going up against it. This deck is #1 on pretty much any site that tracks hearthstone games and my question is... how??? It feels nearly impossible to lose against a paladin when playing control warlock, one of the most popular decks on ladder right now. And just about any deck with a decent amount of board clears should not struggle at all beating up on paladins. So, how is paladin still getting crazy high winrates, when it has so many very terrible matchups?
Is there some secret part of ladder I'm not aware of that's full of hunters, and paladin is getting all their wins there? This is the only scenario I can think of to explain how this deck is doing so well...
It feels nearly impossible to lose against a paladin when playing control warlock
That's the point. Aggro paladin crushes everything other than controlock. Aggro paladin is underrepresented in tournaments because the ban is usually reserved for priest so you can't ban warlock
Also take the ladder stats with a grain of salt when the meta is not yet developed. When the first VS post was published for K&C, controlock was not a thing yet, so the stats were just showing paladin beating on everything else
Aggro paladin has its moments .. but the OP is right.. you queue with it and get crushed with defiles, taunts, spirit lashes, hellfires, and before turn 7-8 you are out of steam.
then you meet other aggro decks suddenly that divine favor is just a dead card.
then you try to find streams and videos only to find everyone playing cubelock after cubelock after cubelock after cubelock (with giants this time omg)
my climb to rank 5 is much much more succesful with standard tempo rogue rather than aggro paladin (tempo rogue tier 2, aggro paladin tier 1 according to tempo storm)...
look at recent seatstory cup... every aggro deck is being played and shining... secret mage, face hunter, tempo rogues.. but only ONE aggro paladin deck (and four murloc decks)
Everyone was playing priests, rogues and warlocks. secret mage is the clear dominant aggro deck.
i have a semi buget aggro paly and i just hit rank 5 with only winstreaks from rank 10..the key is to put one spellbreaker to counter control warlock..i dont have val anyr and leeroy.
the deck is definetly op..can beat easily rogue,shaman,mage,priests...the only struggle is if i dont have spellbreaker by turn 6 in hand against warlock.
I had a terrible experience with Aggro Paladin and I'm with OP on this. Either people get very lucky with their MU's and get decent draws, or I'm clearly doing something wrong. I had better success with Tempo Rogue and Secret Mage, than with Aggro Pally. Will give him a try again, after I hit rank 5 with Dragon Priest.
Playing Cubelock/Big Priest is almost auto lose. It beats Secret Mage/Jade Druid/Mill Rouge, Secret Mage is the most popular deck on ladder that is why it has such a inflated rate.
I am at a wall around level 4, maybe it is time to craft cubelock.
It feels nearly impossible to lose against a paladin when playing control warlock
I found the reason of your question.
I was playing Quest Druid in razakus meta, and had like ~70%+ winrate against it. Losing to many other decks, but not priest. That doesn't mean razakus isn't strong tho, it's just matchups.
Same goes here. Dude pally is really strong. He fills the board with many creatures, many times, very fast. To survive that, you need to either cheat your curve and put huge taunts very fast, or have tonns of AoEs, or both. Not every class can do that. And creatures can even have divine shields. And you are pretty much dead if you try to race it.
Whole warlock popularity thing is because it can counter it. If warlock population growth too much, expect some broken OTK decks to emerge.
I agree that it's a bad deck. I believe the only reason it's doing so well being ranked #1 over all or close to it is because of all of the mages and huntards. Those two classes have trouble against it. I tried it and went 50/50. Warlocks an auto loss like you said. Druid usually too because of all of the taunts. But when 40% of the meta is huntards and mages that's why it's performing well overall.
The deck is really good up until rank 10. Then you will hit the wall of Warlocks and you will have to change.
pretty much this.
Hmmm.
HSReplays tracks over one million games each day, and posts all their results on their "Meta" page. Aggro Paladin is currently the best deck on ladder against CubeLock and the various flavours of Priest, with dominating win-rates between 57%-67%.
Edit - apologies. I didn't realize that this was a month-old necro thread.
It's a good deck, but severely overrated by many of those sites. I disagree controlock is an auto-loss though. Divine Favor is bonkers in that match up, and if you are running one spellbreaker you still have a decent chance, albeit still being unfavoured to win.
Good deck but overrated both in wild and standard!
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Also made this comment in another thread - agro paladin just seems to be crushed by everything.
Then I started to play it like a face deck, and I started to win more. It is extremely counterintuitive to me to ignore my opponent's board with a minion-based deck, but that is usually the correct answer. You only clear things that you absolutely have to clear, and you leave everything else, even if the minions you leave will kill most or all of your own minions. It's like the old Face Hunter, but without the sticky minions and without the security of Steady Shot. It is not fun to play - it's very nerve wracking. However, it's not as bad as I thought if you play it like that.
Granted, this is rank 14 to 16, where only every third deck is Warlock.
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The deck feels incredibly weak to me. Both to play, and when I'm going up against it. This deck is #1 on pretty much any site that tracks hearthstone games and my question is... how??? It feels nearly impossible to lose against a paladin when playing control warlock, one of the most popular decks on ladder right now. And just about any deck with a decent amount of board clears should not struggle at all beating up on paladins. So, how is paladin still getting crazy high winrates, when it has so many very terrible matchups?
Is there some secret part of ladder I'm not aware of that's full of hunters, and paladin is getting all their wins there? This is the only scenario I can think of to explain how this deck is doing so well...
Of course an aggro deck is bad against control. However most other board centric decks can't deal with call to arms.
The deck is really good up until rank 10. Then you will hit the wall of Warlocks and you will have to change.
Legend with : S65 Freeze Mage, S57 Maly Gonk Druid, S57 "Okay" Shaman, S53 Boom-zooka Hunter, S53 Maly Tog Druid, S52 Wild Tog Druid ft.Blingtron, S50 Quest Rogue, S49 Dead Man's Warrior, S41 Wild Clown Fiesta Druid, S41 Hadronox Jade Druid, S40 Wild OTK Dragon Druid, S35 SMOrc Shaman, S33 Jade Druid, S22 Control Priest, S19 Control Priest
Aggro paladin has its moments .. but the OP is right.. you queue with it and get crushed with defiles, taunts, spirit lashes, hellfires, and before turn 7-8 you are out of steam.
then you meet other aggro decks suddenly that divine favor is just a dead card.
then you try to find streams and videos only to find everyone playing cubelock after cubelock after cubelock after cubelock (with giants this time omg)
my climb to rank 5 is much much more succesful with standard tempo rogue rather than aggro paladin (tempo rogue tier 2, aggro paladin tier 1 according to tempo storm)...
look at recent seatstory cup... every aggro deck is being played and shining... secret mage, face hunter, tempo rogues.. but only ONE aggro paladin deck (and four murloc decks)
Everyone was playing priests, rogues and warlocks. secret mage is the clear dominant aggro deck.
i have a semi buget aggro paly and i just hit rank 5 with only winstreaks from rank 10..the key is to put one spellbreaker to counter control warlock..i dont have val anyr and leeroy.
the deck is definetly op..can beat easily rogue,shaman,mage,priests...the only struggle is if i dont have spellbreaker by turn 6 in hand against warlock.
I had a terrible experience with Aggro Paladin and I'm with OP on this. Either people get very lucky with their MU's and get decent draws, or I'm clearly doing something wrong. I had better success with Tempo Rogue and Secret Mage, than with Aggro Pally. Will give him a try again, after I hit rank 5 with Dragon Priest.
I've no clue what I'm doing...
I am 80 - 66 (55%) with this deck.
Playing Cubelock/Big Priest is almost auto lose. It beats Secret Mage/Jade Druid/Mill Rouge, Secret Mage is the most popular deck on ladder that is why it has such a inflated rate.
I am at a wall around level 4, maybe it is time to craft cubelock.
I agree that it's a bad deck. I believe the only reason it's doing so well being ranked #1 over all or close to it is because of all of the mages and huntards. Those two classes have trouble against it. I tried it and went 50/50. Warlocks an auto loss like you said. Druid usually too because of all of the taunts. But when 40% of the meta is huntards and mages that's why it's performing well overall.
yes...it is
aggro paladin to rank 10, murloc paladin to legend
It's a good deck, but severely overrated by many of those sites. I disagree controlock is an auto-loss though. Divine Favor is bonkers in that match up, and if you are running one spellbreaker you still have a decent chance, albeit still being unfavoured to win.
Good deck but overrated both in wild and standard!
Also made this comment in another thread - agro paladin just seems to be crushed by everything.
Then I started to play it like a face deck, and I started to win more. It is extremely counterintuitive to me to ignore my opponent's board with a minion-based deck, but that is usually the correct answer. You only clear things that you absolutely have to clear, and you leave everything else, even if the minions you leave will kill most or all of your own minions. It's like the old Face Hunter, but without the sticky minions and without the security of Steady Shot. It is not fun to play - it's very nerve wracking. However, it's not as bad as I thought if you play it like that.
Granted, this is rank 14 to 16, where only every third deck is Warlock.