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Put a big ass minion in start of the game like Cleef or a priest buffed one and see the poor jade player cannot do nothing about it, sometimes a dragon 4/7 in turn 4 and another 5/6 in turn 5 is enough pressure to win vs Jade druid.

When Jade druid draw nuts and curves perfectly like jade in first turn, ramp, ramp, Fandral + Nourish, you don't have to expect win playing control with this kind of start, but every deck have this sometimes.

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Put a big ass minion in start of the game like Cleef or a priest buffed one and see the poor jade player cannot do nothing about it, sometimes a dragon 4/7 in turn 4 and another 5/6 in turn 5 is enough pressure to win vs Jade druid.

When Jade druid draw nuts and curves perfectly like jade in first turn, ramp, ramp, Fandral + Nourish, you don't have to expect win playing control with this kind of start, but every deck have this sometimes.

They should have never given a deck like Jade Druid cards like Feral Rage or Earthen Scales.  30+ armor a game was a terrible idea on a deck that was supposed to lose the early game.  Jade Druid is currently evenly matched up with Pirate Warrior, which should signal a serious problem to Blizzard.  The deck will almost never lose to anything else that isn't ultra aggro.

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I don't know where these percentages are coming from but let's look at some somewhat reputable sources:

Jade Druid isn't even Tier 1 on Tempostorm.  Is a Tier 2 deck and its #13.  And it has a very uneven match-up profile.  Doing very well (65%+) against several decks but doing really bad (30-40%) against most others.  Of course, if you are playing one of those decks it does very well against then yes it will appear broken.

metastats shows doesn't show Jade Druid ion the top 15 decks by win percentage over the last 4 days.

Jade Druid just isn't that great.

 

 So what? Does it make the deck less cancer to the meta? The stats are from my numbers, 150 games played from 5 to Legend, 70% ER against druids because i was playing token shaman. I dont fucking care about winrates, i care about the meta

 Here you go:

http://www.hearthpwn.com/forums/hearthstone-general/general-discussion/28947-group-therapy-need-to-blow-off-steam-mega-salty

 

I was waiting for this thread to appear lol. It's such an overreaction to the immediate reaction of the Quest Rogue nerf. The meta has not even had the chance to settle and people are freaking out. It's always good entertainment. 

Also, this is what happens when the meta gets slower. People who are "smart" control players don't seem to realize that control does need a counter or the meta is even worse. Just because the meta slows down doesn't mean control should be oppressive. In the past the counter was Mill Rogue and now it's Jade Druid. That's just the way it goes. Understand that the desire for a control meta means that you also desire Mill Rogue and Jade Druid to be a thing so that the game doesn't completely suck.

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They said jade druid is on their radar. Quest rogue was nerfed for its polarized matchup spread; jade druid's is very similar to that.

 It wouldn't be polarized if they gave Druid some removals. If they give them removals I wouldn't have nothing against nerfing Jade Idol. I agree it's broken with Auctioneer but currently it is the only reason Jade Druid is viable. It would be shame that we loose control deck for Druid. I really don't like that sticky aggresive token Druid.

 Big druid is way more fun to play with and against, and has the usual strengths and weaknesses of a typical control deck. I'd rather have them support that archetype instead of jade.

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Put a big ass minion in start of the game like Cleef or a priest buffed one and see the poor jade player cannot do nothing about it, sometimes a dragon 4/7 in turn 4 and another 5/6 in turn 5 is enough pressure to win vs Jade druid.

When Jade druid draw nuts and curves perfectly like jade in first turn, ramp, ramp, Fandral + Nourish, you don't have to expect win playing control with this kind of start, but every deck have this sometimes.

 This thread is not about countering jade, but about the meta that is creating

I can see the point that Jade Idol is not a great mechanic, I like the proposal that instead of cycling more Jade Idols into the deck it would put 3 token generators into the deck, stopping the infinity train whilst still providing a couple of yuuge minions, Druid-style.

However while I was a strong proponent of the Quest Rogue getting nerfed I never felt the same about Jade Druid. You have plenty of time to kill them with a lot of interaction and choices to be made on both sides, and a large variety of decks kills them. All Aggro is favoured (or at least balanced) and all Midrange the same. It's just that there hasn't been room for Midrange decks - precisely because of the overly aggressive meta induced by Crystal Rogue. So let's give the meta time to settle before claiming (again) that Jade Idol is bad for HS.

On a side note I also like the idea of changing Gadgetzan Auctioneer to a Rogue class card, as it is a card strongly associated with pretty much every viable Rogue archetype anyway - it's hard to see Rogue viable without it - and it would remove any possible future abuse in other classes with cheap spells (as in Jade Druid).

Also to put some more data in, right now I'm looking at the Live Data reaper where the top 5 most played decks look roughly like

1) Token Shaman 9.5%

2) Jade Druid 9%

3) Control Priest 8%

4) Pirate Warrior 7.8%

5) Midrange Paladin 7.5%

No deck is dominating (Jade Druid isn't even top played) and no style is dominating (could have more Midrange but that might need a few more weeks or a new expansion). I say this is a lot better meta than the Crystal Rogue meta which was (again from VS):

1) Token Shaman 9.3%

2/3/4) Token Druid, Pirate Warrior & Burn Mage ~8%

5) Crystal Rogue 7.7%

6) Midrange Hunter 6.6%

Basically 5 Aggro decks and 1 Control deck accounting for 50% of the entire meta.

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The quest rogue nerf and this thread are good examples of why blizzard shouldn't listen to players but trust statistics instead.

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I can see the point that Jade Idol is not a great mechanic, I like the proposal that instead of cycling more Jade Idols into the deck it would put 3 token generators into the deck, stopping the infinity train whilst still providing a couple of yuuge minions, Druid-style.

 

Jade druid play the game with you, he don't kill in turn 5 after playing solitaire, it is possible to beat with control and midrange decks.

Quest rogue pre-nerf completely destroy anything a bit slower than crazy aggro all-on-in strategy.

Quest rogue needed nerf, jade druid don't.

And before someone thinking I not play with Jade Druid, I play with Highlander Priest, Garden Rogue in Standard and Tempo Mage in Wild.

As some people have pointed out, The problem with Jade druid isn't that it's necessarily oppressive like a few nerfed decks were or that it has an incredible win rate, it's simply because Jade Idol is such a poorly designed card that it never should have been printed in the first fucking place. Seriously, if you think Jade Idol is a smartly designed card, then your opinion is irrelevant.

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People who have fundamentally nothing to say will by definition refer to that thread. 

If that was all I posted in this thread, you might have a point.  It wasn't.  You don't.

So if you have something to say don't refer to that thread. It is an easy but rather unfair and disrespectful way to handle people who don't  agree with you. Debate by argument.

 I made substantive points in this thread.  And I linked to the salt thread when it was clear the OP was just salty.  And I refuted your assertion that those that link to the salt thread have nothing to contribute.  You probably want to move along.