One of the reasons the extremely aggro decks are effective is because being able to smash someone's face in before turn 6 greatly increases your winrate against reno decks. Once reno is gone there's very little benefit to ending the game 1 or 2 turns earlier and giving up all that value to try to do that no longer makes sense.
Right now putting in any kind of anti-aggro tools in aggro decks screws you against reno decks so nobody does it, but with the turn 6 reno threat gone it makes more sense to play more defensive cards than just straight up smorc.
aggro decks arent strong because they can kill before reno is played. they are strong because they kill you before you get to play the game. regardless of what your anti aggro tools are, you will never stop a pirate deck with good draw unless you have reno, and even then thats not enough sometimes.
im afraid hearthstone is going to be on its last leg very soon unless something is done, because in the current state of the game, it is unplayable. and it will continue to be unplayable for the foreseeable future
That's not true, look at control warrior, it dominates aggro shaman and pirate warrior. I play aggro shaman and I'd put in another board clear or two, but that would hurt my winrate vs reno decks.
One of the issues is the reno decks are typically greedy as hell, so you HAVE to kill them before they have a chance to play the game otherwise you won't win.
Faster isn't always better. Look at pirate warrior, the fastest deck, vs aggro shaman, which is slightly slower, and aggro shaman just crushes pirate warrior. A slightly slower deck would probably dominate both of those, but would get dumped on by reno decks because they can't lethal on turn 5.
That's not true, look at control warrior, it dominates aggro shaman and pirate warrior. I play aggro shaman and I'd put in another board clear or two, but that would hurt my winrate vs reno decks.
One of the issues is the reno decks are typically greedy as hell, so you HAVE to kill them before they have a chance to play the game otherwise you won't win.
Faster isn't always better. Look at pirate warrior, the fastest deck, vs aggro shaman, which is slightly slower, and aggro shaman just crushes pirate warrior. A slightly slower deck would probably dominate both of those, but would get dumped on by reno decks because they can't lethal on turn 5.
pirate shaman doesn't beat pirate warrior because its slower, it beats it because maelstrom portal is ridiculous. and still pirate shaman is part of the pirate cancer, it might as well be the same deck because they do the same exact thing. and the phrase "lethal turn 5" shouldn't even exist outside of extraordinary circumstances. this game is going to die very painfully if aggro isn't annihilated in the next expac. and getting rid of the only real way to heal up after being hit for 29 damage in 5 turns is going to be taken out. so unless they replace that with an equal or better alternative then hearthstone will honestly cease to exist.
for example just look at the twitch viewership. hearthstone used to pull 50K+ easily. now its trailing at 30k or less at any given time. big streamers like trump and kripp used to pull numbers alone higher than the total population watching hearthstone now. blizzard is killing this game, one pirate at a time
For some reason you are so butthurt about reno(i remember you crying about renolock in post yesterday).Do they rekt so hard?Sorry but aggro isn't even the best answer to renodecks, jade druid and otk are(miracle rogue,otk druid etc).
Anyway you are completely wrong.Renodecks aren't greedy even renolock who is the greediest of the decks has only combo(some decks not even that) and lord j as late game threats.Aggro decks are popular because they are op atm and that's it.Super easy,super effective super fast.As for control warrior,he gets rekt by jade decks while he is just favoured vs aggro without completely destroying them.
Renodecks are fair decks,if you lose to them,they just outplayed you and they have plenty of counters.You want cheap wins and that's it,stop justifing your self.(He admited he plays face in a post yesterday).
Another butthurted smorc.I deserve top 100 legend but i get rank 15 because of reno!
Yeah, nice try. Got to legend easily with aggro shaman.
And I do hate reno because reno forces me to play aggro. Like, people complain about pirate warrior (which blows anyway), but what about the 3 mana 8/8 which then gets copied? The only way to counter that is to play something fast enough where if they attempt that they'll be dead by turn 5.
The other issue is any kind of control deck has like 8 mandatory legendaries, aggro decks have 2 or 3 and it's not crippling if you lack them, so for any new player the best decks are more aggro. I doubt anybody can come up with a control deck that can make legend with 3 or fewer legendaries.
aggro decks arent strong because they can kill before reno is played. they are strong because they kill you before you get to play the game. regardless of what your anti aggro tools are, you will never stop a pirate deck with good draw unless you have reno, and even then thats not enough sometimes.
im afraid hearthstone is going to be on its last leg very soon unless something is done, because in the current state of the game, it is unplayable. and it will continue to be unplayable for the foreseeable future
Let's hope the upcoming nerfs to STB and classic/basic slows the meta and saves the game. I expect a dozen cards to get the nerf and for warrior, shaman to be hit hard.
aggro decks arent strong because they can kill before reno is played. they are strong because they kill you before you get to play the game. regardless of what your anti aggro tools are, you will never stop a pirate deck with good draw unless you have reno, and even then thats not enough sometimes.
im afraid hearthstone is going to be on its last leg very soon unless something is done, because in the current state of the game, it is unplayable. and it will continue to be unplayable for the foreseeable future
Let's hope the upcoming nerfs to STB and classic/basic slows the meta and saves the game. I expect a dozen cards to get the nerf and for warrior, shaman to be hit hard.
If Shaman should get a nerf, it'd have to be right know, not when next expansion is released. Tunnel trogg and totem golem will rotate and Shaman will be much weaker.
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Another butthurted smorc.I deserve top 100 legend but i get rank 15 because of reno!
Yeah, nice try. Got to legend easily with aggro shaman.
And I do hate reno because reno forces me to play aggro. Like, people complain about pirate warrior (which blows anyway), but what about the 3 mana 8/8 which then gets copied? The only way to counter that is to play something fast enough where if they attempt that they'll be dead by turn 5.
The other issue is any kind of control deck has like 8 mandatory legendaries, aggro decks have 2 or 3 and it's not crippling if you lack them, so for any new player the best decks are more aggro. I doubt anybody can come up with a control deck that can make legend with 3 or fewer legendaries.
Ermm, what? As it has already been said, go play jade druid, OTKun, a control jade shaman, or a miracle rogue.
All of them are like 65-75% vs renos.
That being said, all that decks struggle vs one thing: pirates. And what do pirates struggle against? Reno.
So that's it, in a rock paper scissors game, you are taking rock away. Are you expecting people turning scissors into anything else jsut because there is no longer a rock? No, thy'll keep being scissors and cut off everything that is not scissors.
P.D.: Control deck with less than 3 legendaries? You mean dragon priest, right?
Hopefully once reno rotates out (and jade idol gets nerfed), control warrior can get back into the meta to obliterate aggro decks. That would be the real reason for the meta to slow down. The addition of alley armorsmith solidified CW against aggro.
Hopefully once reno rotates out (and jade idol gets nerfed), control warrior can get back into the meta to obliterate aggro decks. That would be the real reason for the meta to slow down. The addition of alley armorsmith solidified CW against aggro.
Control Warrior blows against Jade decks though, so good luck with that.
What kind of bullshit thread is this? You think aggro will die or be less played when Reno rotates? Think again, them aggro shithead scrubbs will celebrate turn - 5, clown fiesta endgame, because there will be no healing, i dare to Say this; when Reno is out you will all see the True power of cancerous turn 5 decks, everyone will ragequit, because of the non-interactive gameplay all control oriented players will quit the game or at least transfer to Wild. I predict huge card re-balacing by the end of the year, big-time nerfs are coming to hearthstone - and it all will be Just because of everyone giving up playing no fun, non- interactive, super fast games. There will be whining and complaining about the State of the game, which IMO will become even worse as it is today
BTW im not a prophet, not a pessimist, i am just realistic
One of the reasons the extremely aggro decks are effective is because being able to smash someone's face in before turn 6 greatly increases your winrate against reno decks. Once reno is gone there's very little benefit to ending the game 1 or 2 turns earlier and giving up all that value to try to do that no longer makes sense.
This is a joke right? Can I laugh now? "People will stop playing a deck that seals the game by turn 4-5 once its natural counter disappears"
This "argument" (I'm being generous here) completely disregards the fact that most people plays Pirate because of the win/hour ratio, which will only get better once Reno goes out of standard.
One of the reasons the extremely aggro decks are effective is because being able to smash someone's face in before turn 6 greatly increases your winrate against reno decks. Once reno is gone there's very little benefit to ending the game 1 or 2 turns earlier and giving up all that value to try to do that no longer makes sense.
Right now putting in any kind of anti-aggro tools in aggro decks screws you against reno decks so nobody does it, but with the turn 6 reno threat gone it makes more sense to play more defensive cards than just straight up smorc.
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aggro decks arent strong because they can kill before reno is played. they are strong because they kill you before you get to play the game. regardless of what your anti aggro tools are, you will never stop a pirate deck with good draw unless you have reno, and even then thats not enough sometimes.
im afraid hearthstone is going to be on its last leg very soon unless something is done, because in the current state of the game, it is unplayable. and it will continue to be unplayable for the foreseeable future
That's not true, look at control warrior, it dominates aggro shaman and pirate warrior. I play aggro shaman and I'd put in another board clear or two, but that would hurt my winrate vs reno decks.
One of the issues is the reno decks are typically greedy as hell, so you HAVE to kill them before they have a chance to play the game otherwise you won't win.
Faster isn't always better. Look at pirate warrior, the fastest deck, vs aggro shaman, which is slightly slower, and aggro shaman just crushes pirate warrior. A slightly slower deck would probably dominate both of those, but would get dumped on by reno decks because they can't lethal on turn 5.
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for example just look at the twitch viewership. hearthstone used to pull 50K+ easily. now its trailing at 30k or less at any given time. big streamers like trump and kripp used to pull numbers alone higher than the total population watching hearthstone now. blizzard is killing this game, one pirate at a time
For some reason you are so butthurt about reno(i remember you crying about renolock in post yesterday).Do they rekt so hard?Sorry but aggro isn't even the best answer to renodecks, jade druid and otk are(miracle rogue,otk druid etc).
Anyway you are completely wrong.Renodecks aren't greedy even renolock who is the greediest of the decks has only combo(some decks not even that) and lord j as late game threats.Aggro decks are popular because they are op atm and that's it.Super easy,super effective super fast.As for control warrior,he gets rekt by jade decks while he is just favoured vs aggro without completely destroying them.
Renodecks are fair decks,if you lose to them,they just outplayed you and they have plenty of counters.You want cheap wins and that's it,stop justifing your self.(He admited he plays face in a post yesterday).
why people go aggro?
1) fast games
2)f2p
3) hate va greedy pay to win deck (ie 30 legendary deck that auto win every control deck in the meta.) better end fast then less salt.
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aggro existed long before reno, and it will exist long after it too.
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Pretty sure people have predicted aggro to die down on every single expansion so far.
It's not happening, get over it.
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Hopefully once reno rotates out (and jade idol gets nerfed), control warrior can get back into the meta to obliterate aggro decks. That would be the real reason for the meta to slow down. The addition of alley armorsmith solidified CW against aggro.
Agroo will never die!
Reno leaving just means when playing agro decks you don't have to worry about T6 Reno's.
That is all.
Beyond that we have to see what the next expansion brings us.
What kind of bullshit thread is this? You think aggro will die or be less played when Reno rotates? Think again, them aggro shithead scrubbs will celebrate turn - 5, clown fiesta endgame, because there will be no healing, i dare to Say this; when Reno is out you will all see the True power of cancerous turn 5 decks, everyone will ragequit, because of the non-interactive gameplay all control oriented players will quit the game or at least transfer to Wild. I predict huge card re-balacing by the end of the year, big-time nerfs are coming to hearthstone - and it all will be Just because of everyone giving up playing no fun, non- interactive, super fast games. There will be whining and complaining about the State of the game, which IMO will become even worse as it is today
BTW im not a prophet, not a pessimist, i am just realistic
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This is a joke right? Can I laugh now?
"People will stop playing a deck that seals the game by turn 4-5 once its natural counter disappears"
This "argument" (I'm being generous here) completely disregards the fact that most people plays Pirate because of the win/hour ratio, which will only get better once Reno goes out of standard.