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Zoolock is strong but i wouldnt consider it top tier

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Zoolock is strong but i wouldnt consider it top tier even though its close and its almost autolose against patron/tempo warriors , you dont want to be so handicapped against warriors because warriors are the best class right now along with controladins and midrange shamans.

The only deck zoo auto loses to is the rare crazy control priest build with 6+ board clears and Cabals to rub it in. All kinds of warriors are perfectly beatable, including patron after nerf. Freeze mage is also beatable. Those matchups have been around since forever and a good zoo player will know how to deal with them accordingly.

Interesting thing: I tried teching in Hellfire for the mirror this season and ended up farming numerous patrons instead. Pretty funny, what one card can do.

Meanwhile controladin without the perfect mulligan with pyro+equality or the skill to topdeck consec at the right time is trash against zoo. I would know, I play both decks. You can only heal so much if you don't deal with the board. Midrange shamans with their lighting storms and mediocre card draw are also a joke. I've lost count of how many times a midrange shaman conceded when I summoned a full board of tentacles after their board clear.

Zoo's been consistently top tier since patron got rightfully nerfed. When patron inevitably rotates out and disappears zoo will still be at the top. It's the most flexible archetype now, period, and it'll live on along with the stale classic CW and possibly freeze mage (unless Blizzard cripples it).

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Very strong deck for Tryhards. Fucking boring deck to play if you enjoy fun games though. 

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Hey, I would like to give this deck try, I dont have sea giant or impaler tho, any suggestions for replacements? Thanks :)

Sadly, I will have little opportunity to play Jaraxxus in this meta.  But on positive side, zoo is looking like solid Tier 1 to me.

As i said zoo is a strong deck and its close to top tier but  the matchup against warriors right now is one of the worst only below the freeze vs cw matchup and the deck can fall victim to miracle rogues and controladins ,   druid matchup is not as good as once was ,  old zoo could literally win against anything , i know this because i destroyed warriors with it before the release of wog ,  priest was never a bad matchup for zoo , freeze and face were bad matchups before wog and those are slightly better now but these decks are not popular at all so it doesnt even matter , the only good thing about zoo is that it kills shamans which are the most popular class atm.

Warriors are by FAR the strongest class right now followed by paladins. Shamans , locks and perhaps druids are in between top tier and tier 2 , tournaments are irrelevant because people bring anything there especially decks they know better , zoo is always a good choice since its easy deck and its still very strong deck so why not? i use it on my main trio for tournaments too and i also push on the ladder with it , if tournaments allowed only 1 deck instead of 3 then we could make better assumptions , as long as someone is good with a deck then even a tier 4 deck becomes viable , i played a top 3 legend yesterday with a miracle rogue.(im not saying ofc that rogue is tier 4 , its still at least tier 2) 

Well some future lists will include midrange shamans and zoolock as tier 1 on top 4 , i personally dont , i consider them borderline decks.

I'm still winning against warriors just fine? Also haven't lost against miracle even once, all thanks to Argus, Spellbreaker (nice two two legendary, Valeera) and an overwhelming board that runs rogue out of cards before they can get greedy with Auctioneer. And like I said, paladin without a timely aoe (sometimes multiple AoEs in a row) is easy prey. Control priest was and still is a bad matchup, but it's winnable.  The thing is, those matchups are very far from polarizing, compared to freeze vs CW, where the CW just needs to *yawn* armor up. 

I don't know where on Earth you got the idea that warriors are "the strongest class". It's popular, sure, but warrior can only win against zoo if he gets super lucky with drawing the answers, continuously. Otherwise zoo completely outclasses you. Not just zoo, warlock in general typically destroys warrior. Jaraxxus and Hellfire send their regards. And warlock is a popular class too, on top of its versatility. No wonder the decks are always tier 1-2.

Zoo can also tech stuff against heavy control decks and whatnot. Did you see that Crazed Alchemist at Dreamhack? Crazy utility. You're speaking of control decks "bullying" zoo somehow but yesterday it was exactly the opposite - zoo was just fast enough to deal with control before they could stabilize. That's the thing. Pre standard zoo was a bit more confident in the lategame against control because we had deathrattles and Boom to back us up and there was no C'Thun timer. Now zoo snowballs lightning fast and does not let you get to the lategame and use your win condition, unless you pray to RNGesus dayly to get your multiple AoEs on time. Zoo is a solid, highly threatening and synergetic deck that can still win any matchup. That's why it's tier 1.

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I'm still winning against warriors just fine? Also haven't lost against miracle even once, all thanks to Argus, Spellbreaker (nice two two legendary, Valeera) and an overwhelming board that runs rogue out of cards before they can get greedy with Auctioneer. And like I said, paladin without a timely aoe (sometimes multiple AoEs in a row) is easy prey. Control priest was and still is a bad matchup, but it's winnable.  The thing is, those matchups are very far from polarizing, compared to freeze vs CW, where the CW just needs to *yawn* armor up. 

I don't know where on Earth you got the idea that warriors are "the strongest class". It's popular, sure, but warrior can only win against zoo if he gets super lucky with drawing the answers, continuously. Otherwise zoo completely outclasses you. Not just zoo, warlock in general typically destroys warrior. Jaraxxus and Hellfire send their regards. And warlock is a popular class too, on top of its versatility. No wonder the decks are always tier 1-2.

Zoo can also tech stuff against heavy control decks and whatnot. Did you see that Crazed Alchemist at Dreamhack? Crazy utility. You're speaking of control decks "bullying" zoo somehow but yesterday it was exactly the opposite - zoo was just fast enough to deal with control before they could stabilize. That's the thing. Pre standard zoo was a bit more confident in the lategame against control because we had deathrattles and Boom to back us up and there was no C'Thun timer. Now zoo snowballs lightning fast and does not let you get to the lategame and use your win condition, unless you pray to RNGesus dayly to get your multiple AoEs on time. Zoo is a solid, highly threatening and synergetic deck that can still win any matchup. That's why it's tier 1.

I am a "legend player". Reached it 4 times now (in the first two weeks of respective season) and climbed above rank 5 plenty of times. I pushed from 16 to 9 on the first two days this season, with zoo, having no problem against other "legend players". Took a break. Climbed up to 6. Now playing N'Zoth Paladin and losing to zoo whenever I don't draw a clear right on time while warriors are easymode for the paladin. Zoo is by far one of the most comfortable decks to climb with right now. I've always used zoo to climb and it doesn't feel weaker in Standard at all.

Last season, for example, my most memorable losses at rank 1 with zoo were to dumb MC Tech RNG on a full board, something I couldn't play around at all for obvious reasons. This season I only lost if the opponent drew perfect answers on curve while my hand was shit/awkward, they were playing a gimmicky deck I couldn't have hoped to mulligan for and "outplay", or, again, dumb RNG (freaking Yogg in casino and a random Geddon in evo shaman come to mind). Adding Hellfire actually helped improve the matchups against patron, the mirror tentacle fiesta and occasional shaman. Never did I feel like zoo wasn't a tier 1 deck or a matchup was "unwinnable" even if zoo was somewhat unfavored. Never. In my experience to improve your winrate now all you have to do is study the meta and tinker with zoo accordingly.

I frankly have no idea what kind of zoo you play and why warriors intimidate you so much. They do have bad matchups. Renolock is still a thing and it bullies patron. Jaraxxus bullies CW. N'Zoth Pala bullies patron and depending on the build does the same to CW. Miracle is favored against CW. Midrange Shaman can do a number on CW. Zoo is favored against CW, etc. So no, there's no "warrior meta" with "no bad matchups" and yes zoo is definitely one of the top tier decks.

Zoo looks very good these days, only counter is Warrior and C'thun druids. 

Zoo will always be a solid performer. It's the hero power that makes it strong. 

I have been playing a fair amount of zoo, because it's fun against C'thun decks.

Playing a decent amount of Grim Patron as well.