Game needs to buff some nontribal selections. The tortalin taunt guy would be interesting if he upgraded into a whopping 4/12 that gave +2/+2 for example.
I think Shudderwock just netted himself into Tier 1, possibly spot one in tier 1, and even possibly tier X. Edwins hero power on average is +3/+3 or +4/4 for 1 mana(upside he can boost non tribal minions like baron). Shudderwocks is now +4/4 and up to +4/4x6 (taunt compositions,murloc compositions) There was a reason his hero power costed 2. It'll be funny if pogo has to be moved up a tier or out completely when only one hero can abuse them.
Rafaam is not best hero. By far Derryl, Yogg and Nefarian are best. A lot of top-mmr players will confirm. Rafaam only works at low mmr, where noone plays around him. The same reason no one complain about Derryl, cause so many play him so badly.
I think Shudderwock just netted himself into Tier 1, possibly spot one in tier 1, and even possibly tier X. Edwins hero power on average is +3/+3 or +4/4 for 1 mana(upside he can boost non tribal minions like baron). Shudderwocks is now +4/4 and up to +4/4x6 (taunt compositions,murloc compositions) There was a reason his hero power costed 2. It'll be funny if pogo has to be moved up a tier or out completely when only one hero can abuse them.
Shudderwock isn't +4/+4, he's +2/+2. The extra +2/+2 comes from the minion by default.
Game needs to buff some nontribal selections. The tortalin taunt guy would be interesting if he upgraded into a whopping 4/12 that gave +2/+2 for example.
They should jsut replace the Tortolan guy with a completely different minion in all honesty. But I think that will be coming in the next patch hopefully!
I think Shudderwock just netted himself into Tier 1, possibly spot one in tier 1, and even possibly tier X. Edwins hero power on average is +3/+3 or +4/4 for 1 mana(upside he can boost non tribal minions like baron). Shudderwocks is now +4/4 and up to +4/4x6 (taunt compositions,murloc compositions) There was a reason his hero power costed 2. It'll be funny if pogo has to be moved up a tier or out completely when only one hero can abuse them.
I 100% agree that Shudderwock is now Tier 1. But I don't think he'll take the #1 spot because he still has the same weakness as before. He will be slower in the early game and can easily get run over by faster Heros (like Yogg and Rafaam). Also, in a lot of cases, Brann will still just be superior to the hero power cause you can only hero power once.
But.... If you get that full Murloc comp you can Hero power a Megasaur with 6 murlocs on board (not 5 like with Brann) and just run players over!
I agree with this. Deryl and Yogg are both virtual guaranteed top 4. You can get RNG'd pretty bad as Rafaam. He is a really really really good hero but he is not the best.
I agree with this. Deryl and Yogg are both virtual guaranteed top 4. You can get RNG'd pretty bad as Rafaam. He is a really really really good hero but he is not the best.
Win rate isn't the only factor used in balancing decisions, though. Ultimately it's a game and fun is the goal. I think back to the quest rogue nerf(s) even when it wasn't T1. If something's prevalent and demoralizing to play against, Blizzard has shown a willingness to make changes.
Rafaam not fun to play? I pick him every time principally because of how fun he is! I think a way to balance him would be if it read "the first minion you kill up to tier 4". He would still be an early game monster this way and have the float a gold perk but late game you wont be getting free premium minions.
I am looking forward to the shudderwok changes. But what draw my attention was that there will be new content "soon", I am so hoping for dragons or elementals to join in.
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...You have a higher win rate with The Lich King and Yogg-Saron than you do with Rafaam.
true, but i've learned BGs more with games played. He is a late game crusher
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I'm in the same boat with this. I didnt play BG's before he was removed. Maybe his Hero Power costs less?
Rusty Recycler
Ironic. It could recycle others, but not itself.
Game needs to buff some nontribal selections. The tortalin taunt guy would be interesting if he upgraded into a whopping 4/12 that gave +2/+2 for example.
"New" toki and shudder is nice,wagtoggle will be playable i assume,pyra(b)mad still fcking sucks,just scrap this hero.
Selfless hero fix is pretty nice
His HP is 1 mana, Rag's is 2.
Spending 1 mana every turn is feasible in the late game, spending 2 might be not.
Still, Nef is basically a better version of both of them.
Baron + Golden Selfless Hero for a full board of divine shielded minions. Seems interesting to try out.
Release the Kraken!
I think Shudderwock just netted himself into Tier 1, possibly spot one in tier 1, and even possibly tier X. Edwins hero power on average is +3/+3 or +4/4 for 1 mana(upside he can boost non tribal minions like baron). Shudderwocks is now +4/4 and up to +4/4x6 (taunt compositions,murloc compositions) There was a reason his hero power costed 2. It'll be funny if pogo has to be moved up a tier or out completely when only one hero can abuse them.
Rafaam is not best hero. By far Derryl, Yogg and Nefarian are best. A lot of top-mmr players will confirm. Rafaam only works at low mmr, where noone plays around him. The same reason no one complain about Derryl, cause so many play him so badly.
Shudderwock isn't +4/+4, he's +2/+2. The extra +2/+2 comes from the minion by default.
They should jsut replace the Tortolan guy with a completely different minion in all honesty. But I think that will be coming in the next patch hopefully!
I 100% agree that Shudderwock is now Tier 1. But I don't think he'll take the #1 spot because he still has the same weakness as before. He will be slower in the early game and can easily get run over by faster Heros (like Yogg and Rafaam). Also, in a lot of cases, Brann will still just be superior to the hero power cause you can only hero power once.
But.... If you get that full Murloc comp you can Hero power a Megasaur with 6 murlocs on board (not 5 like with Brann) and just run players over!
I agree with this. Deryl and Yogg are both virtual guaranteed top 4. You can get RNG'd pretty bad as Rafaam. He is a really really really good hero but he is not the best.
is this update already live?
HP cost one mana less for patches, but it is bad anyway.
It certainly wasn't last night, as I was disappointed to learn after buying a Selfless Hero for the first time ever.
Win rate isn't the only factor used in balancing decisions, though. Ultimately it's a game and fun is the goal. I think back to the quest rogue nerf(s) even when it wasn't T1. If something's prevalent and demoralizing to play against, Blizzard has shown a willingness to make changes.
She used to add an extra minion from the higher tier. Now she replaces one of the minions you would normally get with one from the higher tier.
No one ever talked about how powerful it was to have access to that extra minion, but it was actually a pretty big deal if you think about it.
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Rafaam not fun to play? I pick him every time principally because of how fun he is! I think a way to balance him would be if it read "the first minion you kill up to tier 4". He would still be an early game monster this way and have the float a gold perk but late game you wont be getting free premium minions.
I am looking forward to the shudderwok changes. But what draw my attention was that there will be new content "soon", I am so hoping for dragons or elementals to join in.