Now the NORMAL thing would be that Sylvanas A would trigger first, finds nothing and THEN Sylvanas B triggers and steals the Wisp (or any other creature on Player A's side). What DID happen was, that Sylvanas B triggers first, steals the Wisp and THEN Sylvanas A triggers and takes the Wisp back.
So apparently Shadowflame delays the sacrificed minion's deathrattle order? I find it a rather inconsistent behavior.
indeed this sounds rather inconsistent.. alot of similar small inconsistencies has been found in hearthstone which is kinda disturbing (you think you know the rules of the game untill one day the game punches you in the balls and doesn't give a fuck what the rules should be) i am pretty sure the deathrattle minion which was played first should activate the deathrattle first (sylvanas A in this case) and shadowflame shouldn't really delay deathrattle order (needs more testing tho) i will try to reproduce this and share my results
This does indeed sound inconsistent, but the problem might be in a different place than you think. Possibilities include:
The latest patch introduced the following 'bug fix': Sylvanas will no longer steal a minion that is about to die, which is weird because that’s generally her thing. There might have been complications with the implementation of this.
It could be that the time Sylvanas B was played is counted as the time Deathlord was played instead, since it 'came out of Deathlord'. This would be easy to test by playing deathlord after sylvanas and seeing if the behavior persisted.
DeeVeeOus, your explanation would mean that it could be possible to steal the shadowflamed sylvanas A, have it die on the other side of the board and then steal a minion for your opponent... that seems really weird.
There's another thread in here talking about the strange order effects with respect to Deathlord. It almost appears as if the minion summoned from the Deathlord's deathrattle takes on the summoning order of the Deathlord.
So basically, Sylvanas from player B would technically have it's deathrattle go first b/c it was "played first" (assuming the role of the Deathlord's play sequence). Which would swipe the wisp. Sylvanas from player A's deathrattle would then go off and the wisp would be stolen back.
I tried to search for the other thread but I'm a noob when it comes to search functionality on the forums. The poster was testing this theory in controlled environments.
I think this is one of those things where the old MTG "last in, first out" rule applies.....
Shadowflame says "destroy a minion and deal its damage...." so it would first deal the damage since that's the last action, killing Sylvanis B (which triggers and steals the wisp), then shadowflame destroys the first Sylvanis and steals the wisp back.
Deathrattles still trigger in the order that they're played, but the two actions of shadowflame occur in two steps.
There's another thread in here talking about the strange order effects with respect to Deathlord. It almost appears as if the minion summoned from the Deathlord's deathrattle takes on the summoning order of the Deathlord.
So basically, Sylvanas from player B would technically have it's deathrattle go first b/c it was "played first" (assuming the role of the Deathlord's play sequence). Which would swipe the wisp. Sylvanas from player A's deathrattle would then go off and the wisp would be stolen back.
I tried to search for the other thread but I'm a noob when it comes to search functionality on the forums. The poster was testing this theory in controlled environments.
I thought about this too, that's why I mentioned him in the OP, but I didn't think it would make munch sense, since other minions summoned by other card effects don't seem to behave that way (spiders, anything from Piloted Shredder etc), but I never tested it.
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
Player A has a Deathlord and a Wisp (wasn't a Wisp, but let's keep it simple) on board and plays Sylvanas Windrunner afterwards.
Player B kills said Deathlord on his turn, which summons his own Sylvnnas Windrunner.
Player A uses Shadowflame on his Sylvanas Windrunner, killing everything on board on Player B's side, including Sylvanas Windrunner.
Now the NORMAL thing would be that Sylvanas A would trigger first, finds nothing and THEN Sylvanas B triggers and steals the Wisp (or any other creature on Player A's side).
What DID happen was, that Sylvanas B triggers first, steals the Wisp and THEN Sylvanas A triggers and takes the Wisp back.
So apparently Shadowflame delays the sacrificed minion's deathrattle order?
I find it a rather inconsistent behavior.
Sounds like the spell first does damage to all enemy minions and then destroys the target minion.
So, all enemies take the damage first. If they die, their deathrattles resolve. Then the target minion dies and its deathrattle resolves.
That's the only way I could explain it. Doesn't seem right with the card wording.
indeed this sounds rather inconsistent.. alot of similar small inconsistencies has been found in hearthstone which is kinda disturbing (you think you know the rules of the game untill one day the game punches you in the balls and doesn't give a fuck what the rules should be) i am pretty sure the deathrattle minion which was played first should activate the deathrattle first (sylvanas A in this case) and shadowflame shouldn't really delay deathrattle order (needs more testing tho)
i will try to reproduce this and share my results
Time is money, friend.
This does indeed sound inconsistent, but the problem might be in a different place than you think. Possibilities include:
DeeVeeOus, your explanation would mean that it could be possible to steal the shadowflamed sylvanas A, have it die on the other side of the board and then steal a minion for your opponent... that seems really weird.
There's another thread in here talking about the strange order effects with respect to Deathlord. It almost appears as if the minion summoned from the Deathlord's deathrattle takes on the summoning order of the Deathlord.
So basically, Sylvanas from player B would technically have it's deathrattle go first b/c it was "played first" (assuming the role of the Deathlord's play sequence). Which would swipe the wisp. Sylvanas from player A's deathrattle would then go off and the wisp would be stolen back.
I tried to search for the other thread but I'm a noob when it comes to search functionality on the forums. The poster was testing this theory in controlled environments.
I think this is one of those things where the old MTG "last in, first out" rule applies.....
Shadowflame says "destroy a minion and deal its damage...." so it would first deal the damage since that's the last action, killing Sylvanis B (which triggers and steals the wisp), then shadowflame destroys the first Sylvanis and steals the wisp back.
Deathrattles still trigger in the order that they're played, but the two actions of shadowflame occur in two steps.
I thought about this too, that's why I mentioned him in the OP, but I didn't think it would make munch sense, since other minions summoned by other card effects don't seem to behave that way (spiders, anything from Piloted Shredder etc), but I never tested it.