It looked very good when Regiskillbin and Trump played it, but when looking at hsreplay the winrate is quite low. Is it nothing more than a meem deck? Was hoping it would be good because it does look fun.
I think it's legit. I've been watching Kibler dominate with it lately. Took it for a spin today and went 11-5 with most of the losses being either misplays on my part or godawful luck (all win conditions buried in the bottom five against Warlock, for instance).
It's the only deck I've played this meta that genuinely feels like it has a chance in every matchup. It has the end-game to beat control decks and the healing to beat hunter, pally, and mage (though that's generally still a brutal matchup). And best of all, it beats the living tar out of standard control warlock, which is uber satisfying.
I have also strated playing it recently, the main win-con of the deck Neeru Fireblade feels a bit underwhelming even you manage to drop it early (before turn 10). I lost many games after dropping Neeru Fireblade because of fatigue damage and getting overwhelmed. I managed to counter it by adding Envoy Rustwix and Educated Elekk, both cards together can give you 4-5 more turns before fatigue and can really help you close out games. I use Tamsin Roame to keep a few 0-mana spells to play with Educated Elekk after you burn your deck. This doesnt work everytime though but it managed to get my win rate up.
Its a meme deck and Warlock is just bad all round. A lot of people are missing the fact that its Trump and Kibler playing the list and they are high legend players, at high legend vast majority of people play slower decks so decks like this are more viable - combine that with their immense knowledge of the game.
The lower ladders are quite different - if you're trying to play this on Gold or Diamond or whatever you're putting yourself through unnecessary pain because it cant keep up with all the tempo decks on those ladders.
It confuses me why so many people continue to play Warlock (not complaining as its a free win 90% of the time) as its generally just a bad class overall in this meta. Not saying you cant do well with it but there's so many better lists to choose from right now it seems silly. My assumption is that everybody complains about tick so players just naturally assume its OP, and trump used Lock in his F2P series so there's that as well.
The tier list on HSreply isn't indicative of what is best to play either - you'll have an easier time hitting legend playing decks that counter the best decks rather than playing the best decks yourself.
I don't think the high legend vs all ranks distribution necessarily favors this deck. There's more Priest which is nice, but there's also a lot more spell mage (tough matchup) and less control Warlock (highly favorable, imo).
Undoubtedly Kibler's really good and gets the most out of it, but the matchup stats on vicious syndicate skew way in the other direction. I'm definitely not a good player, but the notion that mill lock would be highly unfavorable against standard control lock or unfavorable against Hunter seems crazy to me. I think there's some really bad piloting of this deck out there and people drag the stats down and give up on it before they really learn how to play it.
But then, I've been trying to make Shaman work for the entirety of the expansion, so I'm just thrilled to find a deck capable of winning more than half the time.
The only deck that seems to stand at a serious disadvantage is . . . funnily and NOT ironically enough . . . the more traditional Tickatus Lock deck.
As long as you are smart enough to mulligan for a win condition, it's fairly difficult to lose that one.
Otherwise, no idea what you're winning against.
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Helpful Clarification on Forbidden Topics for Hearthstone Forums:
Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
Exactly... I’ve said before that if you can’t take Warlock to Legend then you simply need to practice and be better. Right now, Warrior will kick it’s b-hole...but it simply has all the tools needed to reach legend. J-Rock alone is a win condition... regardless of all the other ways to win. Warlock players need a zoo deck... that’s on their level.
Against hunter is pretty good, i think i only lose 1 or 2 games because of burning the lifesteal minions, and against any control is free win except control warlock if they play jaraxxus before you
Not worth as the win condition edges at danger zone. The payoff with 2 health boards is weak against too many board clears and even if it becomes good a ready neutral tech card in the core set will effectively disable it ie. Barron Geddon. More so with N'zoth some decks can easily fit in an elemental for resurrection.
It may require a few more expansions/mini set to make self mill/infliction archetype work like how bliz slowly add new stuff to make no minion mage meta and compatible. Mage finally got their identity as spell masters and Warlock may one day get it's identity as self infliction terrorists. Just not yet in Barrens.
Not worth as the win condition edges at danger zone. The payoff with 2 health boards is weak against too many board clears and even if it becomes good a ready neutral tech card in the core set will effectively disable it ie. Barron Geddon. More so with N'zoth some decks can easily fit in an elemental for resurrection.
It may require a few more expansions/mini set to make self mill/infliction archetype work like how bliz slowly add new stuff to make no minion mage meta and compatible. Mage finally got their identity as spell masters and Warlock may one day get it's identity as self infliction terrorists. Just not yet in Barrens.
Neeru really isn't a particularly important part of the deck. In the vast majority of matchups you just win by exhausting their resources and healing up with Blood Shard Bristleback. And in the slower games Lord Jaraxxus is the more relevant win condition. For every five games I win, I'd be surprised if I even played Neeru in more than 1 of them.
It's unplayable on ladder because of aggro and because Control Lock destroys it. Hard to win with a deck when the enemy outvalues you and you work together to burn all your win conditions and fatigue on turn 7
It's unplayable on ladder because of aggro and because Control Lock destroys it. Hard to win with a deck when the enemy outvalues you and you work together to burn all your win conditions and fatigue on turn 7
I don't understand how people lose to control warlock with this deck. You literally have a hard counter to Tickatus. Unless both Neeru and Jaraxxus are buried in your bottom five cards it's an easy win.
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
It looked very good when Regiskillbin and Trump played it, but when looking at hsreplay the winrate is quite low. Is it nothing more than a meem deck? Was hoping it would be good because it does look fun.
Yes, it a meme deck.
Meta Warlock deck is Control Warlock with Tickatus and Lord J.
Im having pretty good results with it, it has low winrate cause it isnt a brainless deck such as rogue or paladin
theorycraft vs agressive tempo meta
I've had some good luck with self burn warlock. Games I've lost are where I make big mistakes myself and screw myself over.
I think it's legit. I've been watching Kibler dominate with it lately. Took it for a spin today and went 11-5 with most of the losses being either misplays on my part or godawful luck (all win conditions buried in the bottom five against Warlock, for instance).
It's the only deck I've played this meta that genuinely feels like it has a chance in every matchup. It has the end-game to beat control decks and the healing to beat hunter, pally, and mage (though that's generally still a brutal matchup). And best of all, it beats the living tar out of standard control warlock, which is uber satisfying.
I have also strated playing it recently, the main win-con of the deck Neeru Fireblade feels a bit underwhelming even you manage to drop it early (before turn 10). I lost many games after dropping Neeru Fireblade because of fatigue damage and getting overwhelmed.
I managed to counter it by adding Envoy Rustwix and Educated Elekk, both cards together can give you 4-5 more turns before fatigue and can really help you close out games. I use Tamsin Roame to keep a few 0-mana spells to play with Educated Elekk after you burn your deck. This doesnt work everytime though but it managed to get my win rate up.
TRUMP AND REGIS What do u expect? it's meme tier deck for sure.
Its a meme deck and Warlock is just bad all round. A lot of people are missing the fact that its Trump and Kibler playing the list and they are high legend players, at high legend vast majority of people play slower decks so decks like this are more viable - combine that with their immense knowledge of the game.
The lower ladders are quite different - if you're trying to play this on Gold or Diamond or whatever you're putting yourself through unnecessary pain because it cant keep up with all the tempo decks on those ladders.
It confuses me why so many people continue to play Warlock (not complaining as its a free win 90% of the time) as its generally just a bad class overall in this meta. Not saying you cant do well with it but there's so many better lists to choose from right now it seems silly. My assumption is that everybody complains about tick so players just naturally assume its OP, and trump used Lock in his F2P series so there's that as well.
The tier list on HSreply isn't indicative of what is best to play either - you'll have an easier time hitting legend playing decks that counter the best decks rather than playing the best decks yourself.
I don't think the high legend vs all ranks distribution necessarily favors this deck. There's more Priest which is nice, but there's also a lot more spell mage (tough matchup) and less control Warlock (highly favorable, imo).
Undoubtedly Kibler's really good and gets the most out of it, but the matchup stats on vicious syndicate skew way in the other direction. I'm definitely not a good player, but the notion that mill lock would be highly unfavorable against standard control lock or unfavorable against Hunter seems crazy to me. I think there's some really bad piloting of this deck out there and people drag the stats down and give up on it before they really learn how to play it.
But then, I've been trying to make Shaman work for the entirety of the expansion, so I'm just thrilled to find a deck capable of winning more than half the time.
Aahhh hahahah! This is some top notch humor. Warlock blows.
The only deck that seems to stand at a serious disadvantage is . . . funnily and NOT ironically enough . . . the more traditional Tickatus Lock deck.
As long as you are smart enough to mulligan for a win condition, it's fairly difficult to lose that one.
Otherwise, no idea what you're winning against.
Helpful Clarification on Forbidden Topics for Hearthstone Forums:
Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
Exactly... I’ve said before that if you can’t take Warlock to Legend then you simply need to practice and be better. Right now, Warrior will kick it’s b-hole...but it simply has all the tools needed to reach legend. J-Rock alone is a win condition... regardless of all the other ways to win. Warlock players need a zoo deck... that’s on their level.
Against hunter is pretty good, i think i only lose 1 or 2 games because of burning the lifesteal minions, and against any control is free win except control warlock if they play jaraxxus before you
Not worth as the win condition edges at danger zone. The payoff with 2 health boards is weak against too many board clears and even if it becomes good a ready neutral tech card in the core set will effectively disable it ie. Barron Geddon. More so with N'zoth some decks can easily fit in an elemental for resurrection.
It may require a few more expansions/mini set to make self mill/infliction archetype work like how bliz slowly add new stuff to make no minion mage meta and compatible. Mage finally got their identity as spell masters and Warlock may one day get it's identity as self infliction terrorists. Just not yet in Barrens.
It's a meme deck but also in this meta full aggro tempo decks like this can't shine.
Neeru really isn't a particularly important part of the deck. In the vast majority of matchups you just win by exhausting their resources and healing up with Blood Shard Bristleback. And in the slower games Lord Jaraxxus is the more relevant win condition. For every five games I win, I'd be surprised if I even played Neeru in more than 1 of them.
It's fun, but I haven't been able to make it work.
Probably a meme unless more support gets released.
Can't see it being allowed to become too good - deck disruption and manipulation is simply too unpopular with much of the player base.
It's unplayable on ladder because of aggro and because Control Lock destroys it. Hard to win with a deck when the enemy outvalues you and you work together to burn all your win conditions and fatigue on turn 7
I don't understand how people lose to control warlock with this deck. You literally have a hard counter to Tickatus. Unless both Neeru and Jaraxxus are buried in your bottom five cards it's an easy win.