In my opinion, the current quest shaman decks are trying to hard for value, I think that the best variants will be the aggro ones. just go face with all the burn and then finish with shuderwock if necessary.
I don't know about that. I'm at 68% win rate with my quest shaman at rank 7 and currently crushing those decks except for murloc paladin which is quite difficult. I think it depends on the decklists people are using and knowing when to play a tempo or a control game.
What are you talking about? Top is 57% and there are multiple above 50%, the ones under 50 are like 1-2k games at most
If you look at the Decks section, virtually every Tier 4 or better archetype has multiple decks with win rate above 50%. Look at Meta section. The deck is currently at 49%.
I think that can be improved as people figure out what to put into the deck. It needs to be a slower, more value build.
It's completely stupid to try to look at winrates for quest shaman. There's a million different ways of building it. Ultra aggro, midrange, value, ultra control/fatigue... From the decks you listed, I crush Control Warrior and Quest Druid pretty hard. Murlocs decks are fine. Quest Paladin depends on my discoveries : I had games where I discover bunch of hexes/plague of murlocs and they can't do anything. I also had games where I discovered nothing and just went full burn / face gameplan.
Quest Shaman is going to be a deck that needs a lot of refinement. Quest Druid is braindead to build for 90% of its cards, so is Control Warrior and Murloc decks. Of course they are more refined right now, doesn't mean that they're better.
And maybe they will (be better), all I'm saying is don't judge Quest Shaman too fast.
And for the record, I'm stable at 300-400 legend with my Quest Bomb Shaman. Since it's very control oriented it's hard to refine it yet because people are playing a lot of different decks still, but when the meta will settle down it will be easier to figure out what should be in the deck. I mean, when you face a Paladin that play King Phoresis on turn 5 with a full board you're wondering wtf is going on ladder.
Some cards dont are OP when the expansion is launched, but have a great potencial. IMO if Quest Shaman don't go used now, will be with new cards in the next expansion or year, just like Dr. Boom.
The problem with it in a control deck is... do you really want to not run Hagatha? I almost wonder if there's a world in which you'd run both, like how Baku Mage used to sometimes run Frost Lich Jaina. At a certain point, you can hero power + Hagatha for a 6 damage AOE clear and switch over to spell generation.
As someone who has been playing Control Shaman for the last few months, Hagatha isn't as reliable as most people think. Sure she gets value, but the randomness gets bad quickly, and Shaman got some really shitty Spells. At least with double battlecries you know what you're getting, making it beter in my opinion. Maybe both can indeed be run, but lets have some fun for now, with the new cards ;-)
I've been thinking about Barista and Earthquakes and the likes, so not yet sure about an optimized list.
It’s one of the most versatile to build around. Lumping every quest shaman in one deck is a terrible way to track it. Personally my lackey zoo is my most successful. Control hasn’t been great but there’s a lot to refine I think. Going to tech around the meta soon and retry. Try different builds, but if you can’t win against anything it might be playing poorly in a new meta.
If you are talking about Paladin deck with bunch of spells and King Phaoris cheated out with Prismatic Lens then you are right lol. I once got rekt by it XD.
Vulpera Scoundrel is amazing against Murloc Paladins, just hard mulligan for it (if you run it), likewise with Ethereal Lackey I personally don't run any spells at all and just discover what I need,
I also run 2x Walking Fountain and 1x Zilliax which has won me so many games against Zoo, Paladin, Face Rogue and Mech/Bomb Hunter.
Mogu Fleshshaper is also another awesome card for those aggro match ups, just stack board so it costs less then rush it in and even potential Witchy Lackey synergy for big swing turns.
I don't necessarily have a bad match up although Mage when they Lunas on curve can be quite a mission.
It looked way to good at start. Now two days later it is already losing almost vs anything.
Control warrior
Quest druid
Quest paladin
Murloc decks
The average winning rate with quest shaman is not even 50% if you check on HSreplay.
And people were talking about it being OP and nerf. Ridiculous
https://hsreplay.net/decks/DZZB2glC600uicODy8LUnf/#gameType=RANKED_STANDARD
What are you talking about? Top is 57% and there are multiple above 50%, the ones under 50 are like 1-2k games at most
In my opinion, the current quest shaman decks are trying to hard for value, I think that the best variants will be the aggro ones. just go face with all the burn and then finish with shuderwock if necessary.
I don't know about that. I'm at 68% win rate with my quest shaman at rank 7 and currently crushing those decks except for murloc paladin which is quite difficult. I think it depends on the decklists people are using and knowing when to play a tempo or a control game.
If you look at the Decks section, virtually every Tier 4 or better archetype has multiple decks with win rate above 50%. Look at Meta section. The deck is currently at 49%.
I think that can be improved as people figure out what to put into the deck. It needs to be a slower, more value build.
The winrate is low because everyone is playing the wrong cards, such as Novice Engineer and Questing Explorer.
This guy knows. Unicorn aggro quest shaman destroys.
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It's completely stupid to try to look at winrates for quest shaman. There's a million different ways of building it. Ultra aggro, midrange, value, ultra control/fatigue... From the decks you listed, I crush Control Warrior and Quest Druid pretty hard. Murlocs decks are fine. Quest Paladin depends on my discoveries : I had games where I discover bunch of hexes/plague of murlocs and they can't do anything. I also had games where I discovered nothing and just went full burn / face gameplan.
Quest Shaman is going to be a deck that needs a lot of refinement. Quest Druid is braindead to build for 90% of its cards, so is Control Warrior and Murloc decks. Of course they are more refined right now, doesn't mean that they're better.
And maybe they will (be better), all I'm saying is don't judge Quest Shaman too fast.
And for the record, I'm stable at 300-400 legend with my Quest Bomb Shaman. Since it's very control oriented it's hard to refine it yet because people are playing a lot of different decks still, but when the meta will settle down it will be easier to figure out what should be in the deck. I mean, when you face a Paladin that play King Phoresis on turn 5 with a full board you're wondering wtf is going on ladder.
Some cards dont are OP when the expansion is launched, but have a great potencial. IMO if Quest Shaman don't go used now, will be with new cards in the next expansion or year, just like Dr. Boom.
I'm having good succes with this deck:
The problem with it in a control deck is... do you really want to not run Hagatha? I almost wonder if there's a world in which you'd run both, like how Baku Mage used to sometimes run Frost Lich Jaina. At a certain point, you can hero power + Hagatha for a 6 damage AOE clear and switch over to spell generation.
As someone who has been playing Control Shaman for the last few months, Hagatha isn't as reliable as most people think. Sure she gets value, but the randomness gets bad quickly, and Shaman got some really shitty Spells. At least with double battlecries you know what you're getting, making it beter in my opinion. Maybe both can indeed be run, but lets have some fun for now, with the new cards ;-)
I've been thinking about Barista and Earthquakes and the likes, so not yet sure about an optimized list.
It’s one of the most versatile to build around. Lumping every quest shaman in one deck is a terrible way to track it. Personally my lackey zoo is my most successful. Control hasn’t been great but there’s a lot to refine I think. Going to tech around the meta soon and retry. Try different builds, but if you can’t win against anything it might be playing poorly in a new meta.
If you are talking about Paladin deck with bunch of spells and King Phaoris cheated out with Prismatic Lens then you are right lol. I once got rekt by it XD.
Questing explorer is amazing in zoo. Solid stats and card draw. Tried it in control and it’s bad there.
It's still early in the meta, people still refining decks lmao, i have an 75% WR with 70+ games in Quest Shaman
Vulpera Scoundrel is amazing against Murloc Paladins, just hard mulligan for it (if you run it), likewise with Ethereal Lackey I personally don't run any spells at all and just discover what I need,
I also run 2x Walking Fountain and 1x Zilliax which has won me so many games against Zoo, Paladin, Face Rogue and Mech/Bomb Hunter.
Mind Control Tech is another honorable mention
Mogu Fleshshaper is also another awesome card for those aggro match ups, just stack board so it costs less then rush it in and even potential Witchy Lackey synergy for big swing turns.
I don't necessarily have a bad match up although Mage when they Lunas on curve can be quite a mission.
Can you guys post your decks ur succesfull with at rank5+,plz? My quest shaman feela so baaaad right now
https://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/1303195-best-quest-shaman-71-wr-70-samples Dropped to 7 from 21 or so in a couple of nights not quite at 5 yet, but will get there pretty easily.