I played a lot of Even Shaman this month and he got me from rank 14 to 4 yet.
I want to make my Shaman golden, but 1. Even Shaman gets a bit boring for me at the moment and 2. he feels way to weak against Even-Warlock (no real answer against Giants at turn 3), Odd-Warrior (it seems it doesn`t matter how greedy I build my Even Shaman, Odd Warrior can just kill all of my big guys and is unkillable) and Big Priest (he also kills just all I put on the board with Mass Hysterias, Lightbombs and Screems and then outvalues me with his bigger guys).
So I am thinking about trying out Jade Shaman, but I don`t know a good list and want to know, if the deck is viable enough especially against the three mentioned decks I face the most at the moment.
Blizzard should make a special stream lessons or youtube videos in which they explain the the only way hs should be played is with supa dupa 1000 IQ control/combo homebrewed decks and 30 minutes long match is a minimum time period that proves you're not braindead blah blah something etc.
I have only played it a little, but it's fun and I think it can do very well with a refined list – I just don't have one yet. Electra and Zentimo are both bonkers with jade lightning, and you get Brann, Murmuring and Shudderwock to copy the jade battlecries ad nauseam. There is room for Hex and Devolve to counter big priests.
Here is one of the lists I've been trying, feel free to make suggestions to improve it :)
### Jade # Class: Shaman # Format: Wild # # 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos # 2x (2) Devolve # 2x (2) Jade Claws # 2x (2) Maelstrom Portal # 2x (2) Murmuring Elemental # 1x (3) Brann Bronzebeard # 1x (3) Electra Stormsurge # 2x (3) Haunting Visions # 2x (3) Lightning Storm # 1x (3) Zentimo # 2x (4) Hex # 2x (4) Jade Lightning # 2x (4) Jade Spirit # 2x (5) Azure Drake # 1x (5) Loatheb # 1x (6) Aya Blackpaw # 2x (7) Jade Chieftain # 1x (8) Hagatha the Witch # 1x (9) Shudderwock # AAEBAfe5AgjtBfoOhReUvQKn7gLv9wKZ+wLLhQML9QT+BbkGoLYC5rsCh7wCz7wC0bwC9r0C4OoCioUDAA== # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone
I have only played it a little, but it's fun and I think it can do very well with a refined list – I just don't have one yet. Electra and Zentimo are both bonkers with jade lightning, and you get Brann, Murmuring and Shudderwock to copy the jade battlecries ad nauseam. There is room for Hex and Devolve to counter big priests.
Here is one of the lists I've been trying, feel free to make suggestions to improve it :)
### Jade # Class: Shaman # Format: Wild # # 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos # 2x (2) Devolve # 2x (2) Jade Claws # 2x (2) Maelstrom Portal # 2x (2) Murmuring Elemental # 1x (3) Brann Bronzebeard # 1x (3) Electra Stormsurge # 2x (3) Haunting Visions # 2x (3) Lightning Storm # 1x (3) Zentimo # 2x (4) Hex # 2x (4) Jade Lightning # 2x (4) Jade Spirit # 2x (5) Azure Drake # 1x (5) Loatheb # 1x (6) Aya Blackpaw # 2x (7) Jade Chieftain # 1x (8) Hagatha the Witch # 1x (9) Shudderwock # AAEBAfe5AgjtBfoOhReUvQKn7gLv9wKZ+wLLhQML9QT+BbkGoLYC5rsCh7wCz7wC0bwC9r0C4OoCioUDAA== # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone
Too greedy and where is your cobold for getting another jade claws? This minion is bonkers for jade shaman. synergies are obviously. Every Genn Shaman or Pally will destroy you.
Here is my version:
### Jade # Class: Shaman # Format: Wild # # 2x (1) Tunnel Trogg # 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge # 2x (2) Devolve # 2x (2) Jade Claws # 2x (2) Maelstrom Portal # 2x (2) Totem Golem # 1x (3) Brann Bronzebeard # 1x (3) Mana Tide Totem # 2x (3) Rummaging Kobold # 2x (4) Hex # 2x (4) Jade Lightning # 2x (4) Jade Spirit # 2x (5) Antique Healbot # 1x (6) Aya Blackpaw # 2x (6) Thing from Below # 2x (7) Jade Chieftain # 1x (9) Shudderwock # AAEBAfWfAwSBBIUXlL0C7/cCDf4F9Q/SE7IUyhb7qgKgtgLmuwKHvALPvALRvAL2vQKI6AIA # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone
Loatheb can be included for 1 Healbot, depends on Matchups.
I hate to say this, but your jade shaman deck is probably the strongest one. You can't outtempo even shaman with Jade shaman at least I didn't find a way to do it.
How do you pack in enough Jade cards in this deck without the Chieftain and Shudderwock?
@KingCarnage: I am not sure at the moment about your lists, but they look at least interesting and fun for me. Maybe I just get down to rank 5 and have fun with these decks! :D
Blizzard should make a special stream lessons or youtube videos in which they explain the the only way hs should be played is with supa dupa 1000 IQ control/combo homebrewed decks and 30 minutes long match is a minimum time period that proves you're not braindead blah blah something etc.
What? have you ever played an even shaman deck before? It's as braindead spammy as odd pal. Jade claw/spirit/ and spell is all you need.
About my list, the cthun jade is super straight forward, but no list is going to be as autopilot as even shaman.
As I said in my first post of this thread: I played a lot of Even Shaman and I liked it. Yes, it`s a pretty simple deck to play, but this is no problem for me. There are times I just want to chill while playing HS and therefore simple decks fitting better.
But I like strong offensive decks, so I wasn`t sure if your decks are "strong enough for my taste". But as I said, they look fun, so I may try them out. :)
Another idea I had today was to mix up Jades with Elementals in Shaman. So I think it`s time to stop climbing this month and just experimenting. ^^
Blizzard should make a special stream lessons or youtube videos in which they explain the the only way hs should be played is with supa dupa 1000 IQ control/combo homebrewed decks and 30 minutes long match is a minimum time period that proves you're not braindead blah blah something etc.
Even shaman, although still very viable, did take a huge hit with the loss of Flametuonge Totem. They will still be OK but not necessarily the best Jade Deck. Haven’t spent to much time experimenting since the nerfs in wild.
Even version is good. I dont played for months in wild and tried it last week. From 24 >> 13 with 5 losses :)
Its a good deck now if you dont get in to long games.
As I said Even Shaman brought me from 14 to 4 this month (only played a bit Rogue too in some games) and I had over 80% winrate total. This is pretty good. But now suddendly the enemies got way harder and most of them feeling like a wall for me, which is too high for my Even Shaman. One example is Mountain Giant on turn 3 which is most of the time just to big to early to handle it. My 7/7 for 4 mana with 2 overload looks week against this. And Devolve is no counter for the Giant. Or against Big Priest I most of the time just run out of cards because of the tons of full board clears and if I play only one minion at the time there is no enough pressure to kill the enemy in time before he floods the board with big stuff. :/
Blizzard should make a special stream lessons or youtube videos in which they explain the the only way hs should be played is with supa dupa 1000 IQ control/combo homebrewed decks and 30 minutes long match is a minimum time period that proves you're not braindead blah blah something etc.
Even version is good. I dont played for months in wild and tried it last week. From 24 >> 13 with 5 losses :)
Its a good deck now if you dont get in to long games.
As I said Even Shaman brought me from 14 to 4 this month (only played a bit Rogue too in some games) and I had over 80% winrate total. This is pretty good. But now suddendly the enemies got way harder and most of them feeling like a wall for me, which is too high for my Even Shaman. One example is Mountain Giant on turn 3 which is most of the time just to big to early to handle it. My 7/7 for 4 mana with 2 overload looks week against this. And Devolve is no counter for the Giant. Or against Big Priest I most of the time just run out of cards because of the tons of full board clears and if I play only one minion at the time there is no enough pressure to kill the enemy in time before he floods the board with big stuff. :/
Even version is good. I dont played for months in wild and tried it last week. From 24 >> 13 with 5 losses :)
Its a good deck now if you dont get in to long games.
As I said Even Shaman brought me from 14 to 4 this month (only played a bit Rogue too in some games) and I had over 80% winrate total. This is pretty good. But now suddendly the enemies got way harder and most of them feeling like a wall for me, which is too high for my Even Shaman. One example is Mountain Giant on turn 3 which is most of the time just to big to early to handle it. My 7/7 for 4 mana with 2 overload looks week against this. And Devolve is no counter for the Giant. Or against Big Priest I most of the time just run out of cards because of the tons of full board clears and if I play only one minion at the time there is no enough pressure to kill the enemy in time before he floods the board with big stuff. :/
The lists which are posted here yet are not very aggressive - they all seem "pretty slow" compared to Even Shaman. And I am not a fan of decks, which are just can get overrun by aggro because of greediness... So do you have an "really aggressive" Jade list for me? :)
Blizzard should make a special stream lessons or youtube videos in which they explain the the only way hs should be played is with supa dupa 1000 IQ control/combo homebrewed decks and 30 minutes long match is a minimum time period that proves you're not braindead blah blah something etc.
When I faced a Jade Shaman in the past most of the times I just overrun them. Yes the Jades will grow to a big thread... but this takes time. At the beginning they are just little dudes, which can be easily killed or even ignored. What for example is the bigger threat: Jade Elemental or Faceless on turn 4?
Yes by turn 9 or 10 the Jades can be allready very big - but until then the game can allready be over for the Jade Shaman and it doesn`t matter if you would have won if he had more time. He has to be fast enough to handle early aggression to live long enough to build his big green man.
And I can`t see how the two statements should fit if you say "Jade Shaman is aggressive" and "you play it as a [...] control deck". For me "control deck" and "aggressive playstyle" are the completely opposite. So the questing is for how a faster midrange Jade list could look like if I am not a big fan of a more control-heavy build. I am not only playing face decks, but I prefer to play proactively for the board as soon as I can.
Blizzard should make a special stream lessons or youtube videos in which they explain the the only way hs should be played is with supa dupa 1000 IQ control/combo homebrewed decks and 30 minutes long match is a minimum time period that proves you're not braindead blah blah something etc.
Even version is good. I dont played for months in wild and tried it last week. From 24 >> 13 with 5 losses :)
Its a good deck now if you dont get in to long games.
As I said Even Shaman brought me from 14 to 4 this month (only played a bit Rogue too in some games) and I had over 80% winrate total. This is pretty good. But now suddendly the enemies got way harder and most of them feeling like a wall for me, which is too high for my Even Shaman. One example is Mountain Giant on turn 3 which is most of the time just to big to early to handle it. My 7/7 for 4 mana with 2 overload looks week against this. And Devolve is no counter for the Giant. Or against Big Priest I most of the time just run out of cards because of the tons of full board clears and if I play only one minion at the time there is no enough pressure to kill the enemy in time before he floods the board with big stuff. :/
The lists which are posted here yet are not very aggressive - they all seem "pretty slow" compared to Even Shaman. And I am not a fan of decks, which are just can get overrun by aggro because of greediness... So do you have an "really aggressive" Jade list for me? :)
You forgot to mention: vs control decks. Jade/Shudderwock cannot be aggressive, but oppressive vs control deck due to value jades, but they aren't aggressive at all. Even my Jadeshaman list, which is clearly the aggressive one compared to the rest here mentioned gets recked by aggro decks (Evenshaman or Kingsbane).
@KingCarnage:Interesting list... it seems you really hate taunts! :D
@Yusuke : Yes, you are right. A good explanation.
At the moment I meet only a small amount of aggro decks on the ladder, but I never want to play a deck, which "auto looses" against aggro. So I tried to build a Jade Shaman, which I hope has enough tools against aggro:
I am only theorycrafting at the moment, the deck is not tested yet and I am not allready sure how to build the deck. I don`t want to build a Even Shaman with +2x Jade Spirits so I gave up the Even gameplan for the moment and focus mostly on how to make sure, that the deck will not be overrun by an possible aggro deck. Without Genn it should be too hard to make Thing from Below cheap enough to make the card consistent, so I cutted them but added other cards which can help against aggro like 1x Ooze (also good against some control decks like the Skull from Warlock) and 2x Shards. Yout miss the Eel from Even Shaman, which is a big hit, but otherwise the deck should be played out much like an Even Shaman till turn 4. Earthen Might give you in the best case a solid minion on turn 2 (Fire Fly / Shard --> Earthen Might) and acts like a "semi card draw", but sadly doesn`t get you quicker through your deck to find more Jades and Shudderwock. I think if you don`t fall behind in the early game against aggro decks, there shouldn`t be a need to use cards with a good healing but bad stats like Healbot. If there is a situation you still need a bit of heal at the end there is Kalimos, which should have enough activators and offers a lot of additional flexibility like and additional AoE, a new big board or some extra burst. But I am not 100% sure at the moment if he is better than a second Faceless. Other options I am thinking about at the moment are to swap 1 or 2 of the 1 mana or 2 mana cards for 1 or 2 Tunnel Troggs. There are not enough overload synergy at the moment in my eyes, but is without a doubt the best minion on turn 1 a Shaman can play and can be buffed by Totem Golem, Jade Claws or even Earthern Might (= 3/5 stats at turn 2 are very strong).
I think I allready found the general direction of the deck I want to build but have to work on the details...
Blizzard should make a special stream lessons or youtube videos in which they explain the the only way hs should be played is with supa dupa 1000 IQ control/combo homebrewed decks and 30 minutes long match is a minimum time period that proves you're not braindead blah blah something etc.
Even shaman is a braindead deck. You dont want to trade into taunts 6/30 remove so you keep going face. #derp I flood board. Me Smart! Even if you play taunt, I still go face!
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I played a lot of Even Shaman this month and he got me from rank 14 to 4 yet.
I want to make my Shaman golden, but 1. Even Shaman gets a bit boring for me at the moment and 2. he feels way to weak against Even-Warlock (no real answer against Giants at turn 3), Odd-Warrior (it seems it doesn`t matter how greedy I build my Even Shaman, Odd Warrior can just kill all of my big guys and is unkillable) and Big Priest (he also kills just all I put on the board with Mass Hysterias, Lightbombs and Screems and then outvalues me with his bigger guys).
So I am thinking about trying out Jade Shaman, but I don`t know a good list and want to know, if the deck is viable enough especially against the three mentioned decks I face the most at the moment.
I have only played it a little, but it's fun and I think it can do very well with a refined list – I just don't have one yet. Electra and Zentimo are both bonkers with jade lightning, and you get Brann, Murmuring and Shudderwock to copy the jade battlecries ad nauseam. There is room for Hex and Devolve to counter big priests.
Here is one of the lists I've been trying, feel free to make suggestions to improve it :)
### Jade
# Class: Shaman
# Format: Wild
#
# 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# 2x (2) Devolve
# 2x (2) Jade Claws
# 2x (2) Maelstrom Portal
# 2x (2) Murmuring Elemental
# 1x (3) Brann Bronzebeard
# 1x (3) Electra Stormsurge
# 2x (3) Haunting Visions
# 2x (3) Lightning Storm
# 1x (3) Zentimo
# 2x (4) Hex
# 2x (4) Jade Lightning
# 2x (4) Jade Spirit
# 2x (5) Azure Drake
# 1x (5) Loatheb
# 1x (6) Aya Blackpaw
# 2x (7) Jade Chieftain
# 1x (8) Hagatha the Witch
# 1x (9) Shudderwock
#
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#
# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone
Too greedy and where is your cobold for getting another jade claws? This minion is bonkers for jade shaman. synergies are obviously. Every Genn Shaman or Pally will destroy you.
Here is my version:
### Jade
# Class: Shaman
# Format: Wild
#
# 2x (1) Tunnel Trogg
# 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# 2x (2) Devolve
# 2x (2) Jade Claws
# 2x (2) Maelstrom Portal
# 2x (2) Totem Golem
# 1x (3) Brann Bronzebeard
# 1x (3) Mana Tide Totem
# 2x (3) Rummaging Kobold
# 2x (4) Hex
# 2x (4) Jade Lightning
# 2x (4) Jade Spirit
# 2x (5) Antique Healbot
# 1x (6) Aya Blackpaw
# 2x (6) Thing from Below
# 2x (7) Jade Chieftain
# 1x (9) Shudderwock
#
AAEBAfWfAwSBBIUXlL0C7/cCDf4F9Q/SE7IUyhb7qgKgtgLmuwKHvALPvALRvAL2vQKI6AIA
#
# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone
Loatheb can be included for 1 Healbot, depends on Matchups.
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one eater of secrets wouldnt hurt
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I play an even shaman with jades
I hate to say this, but your jade shaman deck is probably the strongest one. You can't outtempo even shaman with Jade shaman at least I didn't find a way to do it.
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How do you pack in enough Jade cards in this deck without the Chieftain and Shudderwock?
@KingCarnage: I am not sure at the moment about your lists, but they look at least interesting and fun for me. Maybe I just get down to rank 5 and have fun with these decks! :D
What? have you ever played an even shaman deck before? It's as braindead spammy as odd pal. Jade claw/spirit/ and spell is all you need.
About my list, the cthun jade is super straight forward, but no list is going to be as autopilot as even shaman.
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As I said in my first post of this thread: I played a lot of Even Shaman and I liked it. Yes, it`s a pretty simple deck to play, but this is no problem for me. There are times I just want to chill while playing HS and therefore simple decks fitting better.
But I like strong offensive decks, so I wasn`t sure if your decks are "strong enough for my taste". But as I said, they look fun, so I may try them out. :)
Another idea I had today was to mix up Jades with Elementals in Shaman. So I think it`s time to stop climbing this month and just experimenting. ^^
Even shaman, although still very viable, did take a huge hit with the loss of Flametuonge Totem. They will still be OK but not necessarily the best Jade Deck. Haven’t spent to much time experimenting since the nerfs in wild.
Even version is good. I dont played for months in wild and tried it last week. From 24 >> 13 with 5 losses :)
Its a good deck now if you dont get in to long games.
As I said Even Shaman brought me from 14 to 4 this month (only played a bit Rogue too in some games) and I had over 80% winrate total. This is pretty good. But now suddendly the enemies got way harder and most of them feeling like a wall for me, which is too high for my Even Shaman. One example is Mountain Giant on turn 3 which is most of the time just to big to early to handle it. My 7/7 for 4 mana with 2 overload looks week against this. And Devolve is no counter for the Giant. Or against Big Priest I most of the time just run out of cards because of the tons of full board clears and if I play only one minion at the time there is no enough pressure to kill the enemy in time before he floods the board with big stuff. :/
hex and the freeze murloc to stall
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Use any of the above lists! I got my golden shaman playing jade in standard and I gotta say, that was my all time favourite deck to play!
Good luck :)
And what 4 cards whould you cut for that?
The lists which are posted here yet are not very aggressive - they all seem "pretty slow" compared to Even Shaman. And I am not a fan of decks, which are just can get overrun by aggro because of greediness... So do you have an "really aggressive" Jade list for me? :)
When I faced a Jade Shaman in the past most of the times I just overrun them. Yes the Jades will grow to a big thread... but this takes time. At the beginning they are just little dudes, which can be easily killed or even ignored. What for example is the bigger threat: Jade Elemental or Faceless on turn 4?
Yes by turn 9 or 10 the Jades can be allready very big - but until then the game can allready be over for the Jade Shaman and it doesn`t matter if you would have won if he had more time. He has to be fast enough to handle early aggression to live long enough to build his big green man.
And I can`t see how the two statements should fit if you say "Jade Shaman is aggressive" and "you play it as a [...] control deck". For me "control deck" and "aggressive playstyle" are the completely opposite. So the questing is for how a faster midrange Jade list could look like if I am not a big fan of a more control-heavy build. I am not only playing face decks, but I prefer to play proactively for the board as soon as I can.
You never posted a list.
I usually had run the 2/2 elemental for the bonus card in most of my even spaman tests but this should be obnoxiously fine
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You forgot to mention: vs control decks. Jade/Shudderwock cannot be aggressive, but oppressive vs control deck due to value jades, but they aren't aggressive at all. Even my Jadeshaman list, which is clearly the aggressive one compared to the rest here mentioned gets recked by aggro decks (Evenshaman or Kingsbane).
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@KingCarnage: Interesting list... it seems you really hate taunts! :D
@Yusuke : Yes, you are right. A good explanation.
At the moment I meet only a small amount of aggro decks on the ladder, but I never want to play a deck, which "auto looses" against aggro. So I tried to build a Jade Shaman, which I hope has enough tools against aggro:
### Jade Test
# Class: Shaman
# Format: Wild
# Year of the Raven
#
# 2x (1) Fire Fly
# 2x (1) Glacial Shard
# 1x (2) Acidic Swamp Ooze
# 1x (2) Devolve
# 2x (2) Earthen Might
# 2x (2) Jade Claws
# 2x (2) Maelstrom Portal
# 2x (2) Totem Golem
# 1x (3) Brann Bronzebeard
# 2x (4) Fireguard Destroyer
# 1x (4) Flamewreathed Faceless
# 2x (4) Hex
# 2x (4) Jade Lightning
# 2x (4) Jade Spirit
# 1x (5) Loatheb
# 1x (6) Aya Blackpaw
# 2x (7) Jade Chieftain
# 1x (8) Kalimos, Primal Lord
# 1x (9) Shudderwock
#
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I am only theorycrafting at the moment, the deck is not tested yet and I am not allready sure how to build the deck. I don`t want to build a Even Shaman with +2x Jade Spirits so I gave up the Even gameplan for the moment and focus mostly on how to make sure, that the deck will not be overrun by an possible aggro deck. Without Genn it should be too hard to make Thing from Below cheap enough to make the card consistent, so I cutted them but added other cards which can help against aggro like 1x Ooze (also good against some control decks like the Skull from Warlock) and 2x Shards. Yout miss the Eel from Even Shaman, which is a big hit, but otherwise the deck should be played out much like an Even Shaman till turn 4. Earthen Might give you in the best case a solid minion on turn 2 (Fire Fly / Shard --> Earthen Might) and acts like a "semi card draw", but sadly doesn`t get you quicker through your deck to find more Jades and Shudderwock. I think if you don`t fall behind in the early game against aggro decks, there shouldn`t be a need to use cards with a good healing but bad stats like Healbot. If there is a situation you still need a bit of heal at the end there is Kalimos, which should have enough activators and offers a lot of additional flexibility like and additional AoE, a new big board or some extra burst. But I am not 100% sure at the moment if he is better than a second Faceless. Other options I am thinking about at the moment are to swap 1 or 2 of the 1 mana or 2 mana cards for 1 or 2 Tunnel Troggs. There are not enough overload synergy at the moment in my eyes, but is without a doubt the best minion on turn 1 a Shaman can play and can be buffed by Totem Golem, Jade Claws or even Earthern Might (= 3/5 stats at turn 2 are very strong).
I think I allready found the general direction of the deck I want to build but have to work on the details...
Even shaman is a braindead deck. You dont want to trade into taunts 6/30 remove so you keep going face. #derp I flood board. Me Smart! Even if you play taunt, I still go face!
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