I suppose I just suck. I’m not making mistakes that I know about.
If you were playing perfectly then you wouldn't be stuck as low as you are. I'm not trying to be shitty when I say this, but the reason you're not seeing any mistakes in your play is likely because you're blind to them, because your fundamentals are lacking.
Perhaps you should try installing Hearthstone Deck Tracker, playing a few more games, and then sharing the replays with us. We could perhaps then analyse the way you play and offer some much more targeted advice.
Again - not trying to be a dick. It's just that what I've quoted there is the #1 thing all people who suck at this game say.
Exactly, he's probably making mistakes he doesn't recognize - i.e. not going face when he needs to, making unnecessary trades etc. Also, for example, when playing aggro, OP, you sometimes have to make a play without regarding possible AoE because if you don't, you're gonna lose anyway, just a couple turns later.
I've started the grind for Legend this month very late, like 5-6 days ago, and got from rank 4 to Legend in 52 games with ease, using Even Shaman (68% winrate over 19 games vs Hunter, 73% winrate overall), so yeah, it's pretty well positioned in the current meta.
You guys say the truth:
When I started the game there were many things I was not even considering when making my plays.
I would suggest watching some streamers on twitch. Not only is good fun but you can also learn a lot from their plays.
I really liked Trump at the begging because he explained his plays very well. You could also check out RDU (for a more try hard experience).
Just rank 15 and no you can’t. It is very hard everybody has insane top tier decks and has incredible luck. I have tried all kinds of supposed good decks and best I ever did was 19. No matter what I have or what I do everybody has a perfect counter and always has the most perfect card on hand to beat me no matter what.
I just ran this supposed tier 3 deck that can get you top 50 and I am sill 0 stars at level 20. I won a few but most the time I lost. Everybody has crazy decks.
Look, decks do matter but aren't the only thing that matters. Even the best deck won't guarantee automagic ladder climbing by itself. While you are striving to have a good list, you should also try to focus on how well you play it (like kizlyar here has told you already).
You have to be competent and play (mostly) mistake free if you want to advance up the ladder. Be honest with yourself, are you making misplays every game? The answer is most likely yes if you cannot pass rank 19.
And luck, or RNG, whatever you want to call it, evens out in the long run. We can't really blame that for our failures, or rely on it for our hopes of success. You have to keep going, do not give up after a few defeats PLUS at the same time learn from your mistakes, and improve your playstyle. I bet you know the drill: analyze your own games on HSreplay, have a friend coach you, watch streamers, read a guide or two...
BTW, plenty of those around but personally I'd suggest checking this one. GL!
I’m not trying to get legend or even below 10. I would be happy at normal 15. I’m at 20 where you can’t fall any lower. I don’t understand how so many people have such good decks and seem stuck at 20. 90% of them are playing tier 1 or 2 decks. I just made a quest priest deck that dragged the games out a lot and actually won a few in a row but then hit another patch of tier 1 decks. Why does it never even out. It seems that these people would all eventually climb higher? It seems endless. I agree I must suck. I can’t beat the rumble. I get to last boss and die almost immediately.
I started when the game came out and used to rank real high but quit after a year when I realized the futility of it. No matter what you do your deck is going to be obsolete pretty often without spending money. P
Try to win against the decks you encounter the most, and lose against the decks you enounter less. You are looking for a good winRATE, not winning every match.
If you mostly play against aggro, question would be what kind, since Odd Rogue is a good deal different from Odd Paladin or Zoo Warlock.
If you mostly play against control, again it depends on whether that is some OTK Paladin or Priest or Odd Warrior or Big Spell Mage.
According to the latest data reaper, the most popular deck between 14 and 10 is Spell Hunter. This will generally be true for lower ranks too, and in that regard, it won't matter that the latest data reaper is a bit outdated at this point, since the population of Spell Hunter should have increased more than decreased.
As it was already pointed out, Even Shaman is a consistently well performing deck, despite being underplayed, and it stands a reasonable chance (slightly favored) against Spell Hunter. If you miss the cards/dust, I would not craft it right now since major parts of the deck like Corpsetaker and Kalimos, Primal Lord will rotate out soon and it's tough to predict how it will fare next year.
That being said, a slightly slower Mid Range version of Shaman should do reasonably well too. While I still have to get to 15 this month on my side account as well, and honestly should at least attempt getting to 10 after taking a 2 month break on my main account... it is possible even with rather unrefined decks. While it generally is true, that there are no true beginner decks in the game anymore, and on average you will mostly encounter meta-decks, most of those are not so unbeatable that you need an evenly refined deck to stand a chance. It helps a lot, but it's not impossible without. Most of all, you need patience (which I severely lack).
As for "missplays", some people are smug enough to think you could win any matchup if you always play it right. But truth is, if your opponent has the best possible draw and possibly the favored deck, there is little you can do, and with some bad luck, you will have a lot of these games. Of course, if you make some big mistakes every match, it won't help you either.
I hadn't played since around TGT, and I somehow just went from rank 19 to rank 10 with a 70% winrate on Even Shaman. I'm pretty sure my peak was only like rank 5 back in the first season. I dusted most of my old legendaries to build it, but eh... It's really strong right now, I think. And I don't know what most of the enemies' cards do, and I make tons of mistakes. It plays a lot like my old favorite deck in vanilla, Midrange Shaman. I run the standard list, but with two Fire Plume Phoenix instead of Knife Juggler, as I find it much more consistent. I think that the key with this archetype is to know when to play aggressively and when to play control. Hagatha the Witch is a decent board clear that gives you finishers against an aggro deck, if you can hold on that long, but it also gives you a lot of power against control decks. Just a great all around card that you should build if you haven't already.
A mistake I notice some other Shaman players making is the positioning of their minions, even though that sounds really basic. I generally order my minions from strongest to weakest, left to right, to ensure that Flametongue is able to reach my totems and weak minions. But I play against a lot of Warriors who use Supercollider, so I always try to keep that in mind when positioning minions against that class, trying to keep totems in between minions from my deck. I also like to use my totem first in a turn when possible (one exception is when Hunter secrets are out) because getting the taunt or healing totem (or spell damage with Hagatha) might change my decisions for the turn.
If I can do it, anyone can... just keep practicing!
I’m not trying to get legend or even below 10. I would be happy at normal 15. I’m at 20 where you can’t fall any lower. I don’t understand how so many people have such good decks and seem stuck at 20. 90% of them are playing tier 1 or 2 decks. I just made a quest priest deck that dragged the games out a lot and actually won a few in a row but then hit another patch of tier 1 decks. Why does it never even out. It seems that these people would all eventually climb higher? It seems endless. I agree I must suck. I can’t beat the rumble. I get to last boss and die almost immediately.
I started when the game came out and used to rank real high but quit after a year when I realized the futility of it. No matter what you do your deck is going to be obsolete pretty often without spending money. P
I've always thought it doesn't matter as long as you play the fastest deck you have. It can be Odd Rogue, even shaman, or some kind of Hunter. Add 2 Fungalmancer and go face when you can. Try to steal wins from the people who are greedy. Eventually you'll start to get win streaks on slower decks. People bored will quit as soon as the match starts. Some people are AFK. Play really fast games. 5 minutes each. Know what your win condition is. If you don't have Leeroy Jenkins you'll probably want him next, he's the best finisher out there. Mulligan hard for the 1 drops and Flametongue Totem. Or Knife Juggler. Keep the Fungalmancer when you know you're facing control priest/warrior.
And remember how you won the last game if you had to count lethal. Counting Lethal on your next turn is a big factor in whether or not you are playing effectively.
You guys say the truth:
When I started the game there were many things I was not even considering when making my plays.
I would suggest watching some streamers on twitch. Not only is good fun but you can also learn a lot from their plays.
I really liked Trump at the begging because he explained his plays very well. You could also check out RDU (for a more try hard experience).
Look, decks do matter but aren't the only thing that matters. Even the best deck won't guarantee automagic ladder climbing by itself. While you are striving to have a good list, you should also try to focus on how well you play it (like kizlyar here has told you already).
And luck, or RNG, whatever you want to call it, evens out in the long run. We can't really blame that for our failures, or rely on it for our hopes of success. You have to keep going, do not give up after a few defeats PLUS at the same time learn from your mistakes, and improve your playstyle. I bet you know the drill: analyze your own games on HSreplay, have a friend coach you, watch streamers, read a guide or two...
BTW, plenty of those around but personally I'd suggest checking this one. GL!
I’m not trying to get legend or even below 10. I would be happy at normal 15. I’m at 20 where you can’t fall any lower. I don’t understand how so many people have such good decks and seem stuck at 20. 90% of them are playing tier 1 or 2 decks. I just made a quest priest deck that dragged the games out a lot and actually won a few in a row but then hit another patch of tier 1 decks. Why does it never even out. It seems that these people would all eventually climb higher? It seems endless. I agree I must suck. I can’t beat the rumble. I get to last boss and die almost immediately.
I started when the game came out and used to rank real high but quit after a year when I realized the futility of it. No matter what you do your deck is going to be obsolete pretty often without spending money. P
Try to win against the decks you encounter the most, and lose against the decks you enounter less. You are looking for a good winRATE, not winning every match.
If you mostly play against aggro, question would be what kind, since Odd Rogue is a good deal different from Odd Paladin or Zoo Warlock.
If you mostly play against control, again it depends on whether that is some OTK Paladin or Priest or Odd Warrior or Big Spell Mage.
According to the latest data reaper, the most popular deck between 14 and 10 is Spell Hunter. This will generally be true for lower ranks too, and in that regard, it won't matter that the latest data reaper is a bit outdated at this point, since the population of Spell Hunter should have increased more than decreased.
As it was already pointed out, Even Shaman is a consistently well performing deck, despite being underplayed, and it stands a reasonable chance (slightly favored) against Spell Hunter. If you miss the cards/dust, I would not craft it right now since major parts of the deck like Corpsetaker and Kalimos, Primal Lord will rotate out soon and it's tough to predict how it will fare next year.
That being said, a slightly slower Mid Range version of Shaman should do reasonably well too. While I still have to get to 15 this month on my side account as well, and honestly should at least attempt getting to 10 after taking a 2 month break on my main account... it is possible even with rather unrefined decks. While it generally is true, that there are no true beginner decks in the game anymore, and on average you will mostly encounter meta-decks, most of those are not so unbeatable that you need an evenly refined deck to stand a chance. It helps a lot, but it's not impossible without. Most of all, you need patience (which I severely lack).
As for "missplays", some people are smug enough to think you could win any matchup if you always play it right. But truth is, if your opponent has the best possible draw and possibly the favored deck, there is little you can do, and with some bad luck, you will have a lot of these games. Of course, if you make some big mistakes every match, it won't help you either.
People with tier 1 decks at rank 20 eather farm quests, suck or just play very little
I hadn't played since around TGT, and I somehow just went from rank 19 to rank 10 with a 70% winrate on Even Shaman. I'm pretty sure my peak was only like rank 5 back in the first season. I dusted most of my old legendaries to build it, but eh... It's really strong right now, I think. And I don't know what most of the enemies' cards do, and I make tons of mistakes. It plays a lot like my old favorite deck in vanilla, Midrange Shaman. I run the standard list, but with two Fire Plume Phoenix instead of Knife Juggler, as I find it much more consistent. I think that the key with this archetype is to know when to play aggressively and when to play control. Hagatha the Witch is a decent board clear that gives you finishers against an aggro deck, if you can hold on that long, but it also gives you a lot of power against control decks. Just a great all around card that you should build if you haven't already.
A mistake I notice some other Shaman players making is the positioning of their minions, even though that sounds really basic. I generally order my minions from strongest to weakest, left to right, to ensure that Flametongue is able to reach my totems and weak minions. But I play against a lot of Warriors who use Supercollider, so I always try to keep that in mind when positioning minions against that class, trying to keep totems in between minions from my deck. I also like to use my totem first in a turn when possible (one exception is when Hunter secrets are out) because getting the taunt or healing totem (or spell damage with Hagatha) might change my decisions for the turn.
If I can do it, anyone can... just keep practicing!
I've always thought it doesn't matter as long as you play the fastest deck you have. It can be Odd Rogue, even shaman, or some kind of Hunter. Add 2 Fungalmancer and go face when you can. Try to steal wins from the people who are greedy. Eventually you'll start to get win streaks on slower decks. People bored will quit as soon as the match starts. Some people are AFK. Play really fast games. 5 minutes each. Know what your win condition is. If you don't have Leeroy Jenkins you'll probably want him next, he's the best finisher out there. Mulligan hard for the 1 drops and Flametongue Totem. Or Knife Juggler. Keep the Fungalmancer when you know you're facing control priest/warrior.
And remember how you won the last game if you had to count lethal. Counting Lethal on your next turn is a big factor in whether or not you are playing effectively.