Yes but you're completely ignoring the fact that Rogue hero power lets them play two saps off of 1 card or 2 duplicate legendaries in a single turn At no mana cost. Why do they need stealth too? And nope, I'm rank 16
Nah, too gentle. Let's downgrade the cost from 9 to 4 and change its battle cry to "cast Mass Dispel + Twisting Nether; Your hero is immune for the next 4 turns".
Nah, too gentle. Let's downgrade the cost from 9 to 4 and change its battle cry to "cast Mass Dispel + Twisting Nether; Your hero is immune for the next 4 turns".
There, it is balanced now Kappa.
Hero power 2 mana win the game and dust all opponent cards including basic card
Explane the reasons of such a nerf. Why you want to nerf ? Why you would nerf her like this? Otherwise this thread is useless. I think this is a troll/taunt post.
It's gotta be a troll.
"Maybe up the cost to 10 mana to put it in line with other rogue legendaries"
You mean.. what? They have a 3 cost, a 3 cost, a 4 cost, a 4 cost. If anything this legendary should be a 4 cost to make it more inline with the rest of theirs.
It's not a troll
at 9 mana why would you ever play n'zoth before Valeera
thats not exactly balanced if you feel like you have no choice
What lol. This has nothing to do with the fact that the DK hero is better than N'zoth. The whole reason N'zoth isn't good enough is because none of the Deathrattles in the game are good anymore. We used to have super OP Deathrattles and I guess they didn't like that. Valeera the DK hero doesn't need shitty deathrattle cards to be good.
Explane the reasons of such a nerf. Why you want to nerf ? Why you would nerf her like this? Otherwise this thread is useless. I think this is a troll/taunt post.
It's gotta be a troll.
"Maybe up the cost to 10 mana to put it in line with other rogue legendaries"
You mean.. what? They have a 3 cost, a 3 cost, a 4 cost, a 4 cost. If anything this legendary should be a 4 cost to make it more inline with the rest of theirs.
"to put it in line with the other rogue legendaries" Is the tell I think, a sarcastic post since the rogue legendaries are generally considered bad. in otherwords... it's already bad. Not sure I agree because I haven't tested it, but yeah it seems a little slow for what rogue is trying to do, but who knows, maybe buying one turn and an extra card is all rogue needs.
OP, why do you think it is a good idea to make the hero power cost 3?
Sorry, but I think you are trying to make Valeera the Hollow too strong instead of nerfing her. With the hero power costing 3 mana, you would be able to play copies of 6 and 7 mana cards and that would be super powerful. And really, most of the time it would not matter if she cost 9 or 10 mana, it's almost the same. The fact you removed the ability to stealth her during the turn she is played most of the time would neither matter if you are ahead on the board, or wouldn't be too much of a problem if you used something like Vanish and played some strong card the turn before (like for example an Arcane Giant, or two).
Yes but you're completely ignoring the fact that Rogue hero power lets them play two saps off of 1 card or 2 duplicate legendaries in a single turn At no mana cost. Why do they need stealth too? And nope, I'm rank 16
Boo hoo? She doesn't have a hero power anymore and all the new one does is copy a card in her hand. Anduin can literally deal 30 damage to your face and gets up to 14 shadow word death's for 8 mana when played. Uther gets a 5/3 lifesteal weapon and summons 2/2s that win the entire game if all four of them live. Garrosh gets the most busted weapon in the entire game. Rexxar literally creates the most broken cards ever imaginable in the late game. Jaina summons a 3/6 with freeze, gives all elementals life steal, and summons a 3/6 elemental every single time she kills one of your minions.
Valeera isn't even as good as those. The reason she has stealth is because it makes it so you're effectively immune for one single turn. That isn't even OP.
Yes but you're completely ignoring the fact that Rogue hero power lets them play two saps off of 1 card or 2 duplicate legendaries in a single turn At no mana cost. Why do they need stealth too? And nope, I'm rank 16
Boo hoo? She doesn't have a hero power anymore and all the new one does is copy a card in her hand. Anduin can literally deal 30 damage to your face and gets up to 14 shadow word death's for 8 mana when played. Uther gets a 5/3 lifesteal weapon and summons 2/2s that win the entire game if all four of them live. Garrosh gets the most busted weapon in the entire game. Rexxar literally creates the most broken cards ever imaginable in the late game. Jaina summons a 3/6 with freeze, gives all elementals life steal, and summons a 3/6 elemental every single time she kills one of your minions.
Valeera isn't even as good as those. The reason she has stealth is because it makes it so you're effectively immune for one single turn. That isn't even OP.
Boom goes the dynamite. Perfectly explained. No need to debate this any further as OP ether is trolling or doesn't understand Hearthstone very well. MOD please close thread.
Just found out op made in account just to prove Valeera hollow is op(?) and made all hate post to rogue which is not even the most played / highest win rate hero. Not trying to hate op I'm just proving that this guy is being really biased on this
Oh, I realised you want to make the hero power cost 3 and then being able to copy the cards you play with the card it gives to you. Still, the fact you give her a 1/3 dagger when playing her, instead of stealth (an ability that is irrelevant in many cases as I have already explained), is too strong. You seem like a guy who wants to make Valeera the Hollow more powerful instead of nerfing her. C 'mon dude, learn to play. This kind of people make me sick!
The amount of people falling for this troll post is hilarious.
GG OP you surely have won the forums this day.
Lol, open your eyes dude, OP is trying to make Valeera the Hollow more stronger instead of nerfing her. He is not a troll (no one is trolling in this thread), he is just a crybaby that needs to learn to play. Don't be fooled by him, please.
I seriously prefer a 1/3 dagger (that you can buff later) than just stealth for one turn only. It is just a matter of trying to be ahead of the board or use the correct cards the previous turns to being able to exploit that 1/3 dagger later and survive. A 1/3 dagger with poisonus for example (if you use the spell Envenom Weapon on it) is no joke.
Yes but you're completely ignoring the fact that Rogue hero power lets them play two saps off of 1 card or 2 duplicate legendaries in a single turn
At no mana cost. Why do they need stealth too? And nope, I'm rank 16
Troll post is real
edit gonna stop replying op it's like explaining how to walk to potato on stick
Nah, too gentle. Let's downgrade the cost from 9 to 4 and change its battle cry to "cast Mass Dispel + Twisting Nether; Your hero is immune for the next 4 turns".
There, it is balanced now Kappa.
When the weak court death, they find it.
A nerf would be nice, so you can get the full dust back....
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OP, why do you think it is a good idea to make the hero power cost 3?
Sorry, but I think you are trying to make Valeera the Hollow too strong instead of nerfing her. With the hero power costing 3 mana, you would be able to play copies of 6 and 7 mana cards and that would be super powerful. And really, most of the time it would not matter if she cost 9 or 10 mana, it's almost the same. The fact you removed the ability to stealth her during the turn she is played most of the time would neither matter if you are ahead on the board, or wouldn't be too much of a problem if you used something like Vanish and played some strong card the turn before (like for example an Arcane Giant, or two).
Just found out op made in account just to prove Valeera hollow is op(?) and made all hate post to rogue which is not even the most played / highest win rate hero. Not trying to hate op I'm just proving that this guy is being really biased on this
Oh, I realised you want to make the hero power cost 3 and then being able to copy the cards you play with the card it gives to you. Still, the fact you give her a 1/3 dagger when playing her, instead of stealth (an ability that is irrelevant in many cases as I have already explained), is too strong. You seem like a guy who wants to make Valeera the Hollow more powerful instead of nerfing her. C 'mon dude, learn to play. This kind of people make me sick!
If you have to nerf some card you should nerf Malfurion the Pestilent. Easy play on turn 5.
All cards are balanced, but some cards are more balanced than others.
Well now I think op isn't a troll but a kid that really hate rogue lol and can we get a mod to stop this post
The amount of people falling for this troll post is hilarious.
GG OP you surely have won the forums this day.
You seem fooled brother, but lap that troll crap up all you want.
The only people serious in this thread are those that responded to the troll post. Clearly a gag for some knee jerk responses.
I seriously prefer a 1/3 dagger (that you can buff later) than just stealth for one turn only. It is just a matter of trying to be ahead of the board or use the correct cards the previous turns to being able to exploit that 1/3 dagger later and survive. A 1/3 dagger with poisonus for example (if you use the spell Envenom Weapon on it) is no joke.