Finja Rogue doesn't lose anything essential with the rotation - looking at the VS numbers, the deck has been outperforming Miracle Rogue since mid-February, and currently sports a win-rate slightly below 52%. Un'Goro provides some interesting new tools for the class. It seems that the OP may not be correct in thinking that Rogue will be "completely screwed."
People talk about Conceal Miracle Rogue was the only iteration of Miracle Rogue.
Leeroy got nerfed, they didn't care. Auctioneer got nerfed, they didn't care. They still survived on mainly core cards by doing 8 damage to the face and miracle into Leeroy with 2 coldblood and 2 evis to the face. Losing conceal is nothing to this class.
I'll call Miracle Rogue dead when but when both Prep and Auctioneer goes into Hall of Fame.
You seem to forget that miracle rogue didn't exist between auctioneer nerf and the release of Tomb Pillager. I think miracle can probably survive without Tomb Pillager and Azure Drake (conceal isn't that big of a deal), but it would be solely because of Counterfeit Coin. When that rotates, there's no more miracles to be had i m o.
That, my friend, is going to be an absolute cancer in wild. As soon as you activate crystal core with those funky little elementals, you start churning out 1-2 mana 5/5's on board until you get a pirate and two gangups in hand and then it's gg. Taunts? Ok, here's sap. Or hell, vanish, i don't care if my 1 mana fellas get back to hand, i'll drop em again.
it was the same in the last expansion: rogue is running the same archetype of deck since the beginning, the miracle rogue. We see sometimes malygos rogue but the only deck able to change rogue's situation was oil rogue and it has been brutally nerfed - for no reason, i still can't see these powerful weapons they were tanking about. Maybe every expansion gives something new, but that deck is running just the Coin (...) more than previous version. With the rotation of tomb pillager and conceal in wild maybe they will try to make viable quest rogue but i don't know how much it can be powerful. Rogue from TGT received really few cards good enough to be viable in competitive decks, it is still mostly based on classic set. What a pity.
As usual, Rogue "piayers" are gonna complainabout everything everytime.
Vilespine Slayer is just the best card of the expansion by a mile.
Other tools are quite interesting to explore like Hallucination, Mimic Pod and even Razorpetal Lasher. Plus the bounce back/Shadowcaster mechanic finally received some much needed love.
Plus, they have a lot to explore with the elemental tag, bringing them : _ some very effective defensive tool (Tar Creeper, Tol'vir Stoneshaper), _ Combo activators/quest tokens (Flame Elemental) : those little guys can be very annoying for opposing aggro decks... _ just additionnal tempo tools (Glacial Shard / Blazecaller and even Fire Plume Phoenix)
and last but not least, some very weird and whacky concept to toy with if you're bored (Sherazin).
So, nothing wrong here, the only 3 time World champion class is doing fine, as always. So to you Rogue "players", could you please stop complaining, at least for a week or two ?
Sorry, I don't know how to quote a single specific sentence, so I'll just go with whole post.
Vilespine Slayer is the BEST card of the expansion, ok I'm not sure how to laugh at this one. And your claim gets even more pointless, by saying BY A MILE. Really? REALLY?
Card is at best an average tempo card, thats about it. What does it do that Sap can't? Please elaborate me on this one!
Of course rogue finds a way to sneak back to top tiers, that's because rogue players are quite passionate about the class and we try to make it work, one way or another. But not like this.
All the cards you gave as an example are neutral cards, what does it say about what did a class get from an expansion? We say Paladin will be in bad shape, and it probably will. Do you also slam several neutral cards there to try to prove the class is just fine? This post is as stupid as saying 'Look, there is even Spiritsinger Umbra, card is insane, why Paladin players are such crybabies?' How much does this make sense? You tell me.
Main post is about the class cards rogue got, and they are weaker compared to some classes, and stronger than others. But in general, I could say they are below average. And this is a fact, just ask a pro in their streams, they will tell you the same thing.
You have any idea why rogue is somehow make it to world championship finals? Because against slower decks (except freeze mage), miracle rogue is an auto-win, at the hands of those pros. It is not because the power level as as high as shaman or warrior, or even warlock. Its because it has a niche. Now it is also good against jade druid too, soi of course some version of miracle rogue play of course, see what I mean?
Again, Vilespine Slayer is not the best card of the expansion, hell, it is not even the best rogue card. Biteweed, and Razorpetal Volley has way more potential. Do I claim druid quest is the best quest of all? Why? Because it is not, easy as that!
Please think for a bit before accusing people of complaining about something.
Miracle rogue is ALWAYS hiding in the shadows. Blizzard cannot get rid of the deck archetype. Every expansion rogue gets dumpstered but valeera still finds a way.
Is N'zoth Jade Rogue that bad that nobody even considers it? Is Spiritsinger Umbra the new Brann of jade rogue?
without raptor it's quite worse.
The thing is that raptor was an excellent tempo play, a 3/4 sticky minion on 3 was the only saving grace of the deck.
So, if it gotten worse (traded 1 6 mana combo with another 6 mana combo so just net loss of the raptor), and it was already not competitive , I can't see it being viable.
No good deathrattles at all in the whole expansion doesn't do the deck any service either.
Is N'zoth Jade Rogue that bad that nobody even considers it? Is Spiritsinger Umbra the new Brann of jade rogue?
without raptor it's quite worse.
The thing is that raptor was an excellent tempo play, a 3/4 sticky minion on 3 was the only saving grace of the deck.
So, if it gotten worse (traded 1 6 mana combo with another 6 mana combo so just net loss of the raptor), and it was already not competitive , I can't see it being viable.
No good deathrattles at all in the whole expansion doesn't do the deck any service either.
I'm looking at all of the cards and compared to the rest of the classes...good lord.
I could be wrong of course. We have yet to actually play these cards but nothing on Rogue's end looks like a must craft.
Anyone else feel this way?
I love rogue and i feel that it is the most weak class in forthcoming expansion. It is very sad that developers didn't give us any strong alternative for Tomb Pillager and Unearthed Raptor.
Finja Rogue doesn't lose anything essential with the rotation - looking at the VS numbers, the deck has been outperforming Miracle Rogue since mid-February, and currently sports a win-rate slightly below 52%. Un'Goro provides some interesting new tools for the class. It seems that the OP may not be correct in thinking that Rogue will be "completely screwed."
Quest Rogue is the new Miracoli.
Sit back and watch while unpredictable copies of cheap 5/5 minions and augmented spells keep hitting your face.
it was the same in the last expansion: rogue is running the same archetype of deck since the beginning, the miracle rogue. We see sometimes malygos rogue but the only deck able to change rogue's situation was oil rogue and it has been brutally nerfed - for no reason, i still can't see these powerful weapons they were tanking about. Maybe every expansion gives something new, but that deck is running just the Coin (...) more than previous version. With the rotation of tomb pillager and conceal in wild maybe they will try to make viable quest rogue but i don't know how much it can be powerful. Rogue from TGT received really few cards good enough to be viable in competitive decks, it is still mostly based on classic set. What a pity.
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Miracle rogue is ALWAYS hiding in the shadows. Blizzard cannot get rid of the deck archetype. Every expansion rogue gets dumpstered but valeera still finds a way.
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life finds a way, rogue finds a way
as always :)
not concerned at all
Yeah I'm about to eat crow now...
Rogue quest is preeety OP:
All minions that are already in play will receive the stat change to 5/5