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I want you to help me with that decklist. 

I put Evolved Kobold here to make better use of Razorpetal Volley and Razorpetal Lasher. If you get all your petals in your hand with one Kobold - it's 10 mana 18 damage reach\finisher.

Master of Disguise is our only option to save Questing Adventurer and Gadgetzan Auctioneer to do a miracle turn. Is Red Mana Wyrm better with MoD than QA?

Tell me what do you think, rework deck completely, show your vision of miracle rogue(and rogue at all) in that expansion!

Also check out this deck, that's one of the ways to make use of Rogue Quest, that i see.

I think that rogues are in a strange situation. Both legendaries are bad, maybe we'll see only the old miracle rogue and maybe a  N'zoth jade rogue with some duplicate cards to make it work well.

 I believe that going for a cycle heavy quest deck without relying on situational cards that only work if you have actually completed the quest (like moroes ) will be more consistent .

Novice engineers, swash, si7 , shadowsteps , brewmasters (only the 2 drops), Shadowcaster, the vile assasinate , mimic pods, and maybe violet teachers for token generation. Maybe a vanish as a reset.

Rest should be classic rogue cards, like thalnos , foks , etc.

Preps seem mandatory just because the whole deck is a tempo sink and yyou need a way to recover all this lost tempo from bouncing crap, plus there are reasonable targets for it with foks and pods and vanish.

Rogue is completely dead this expansion. He lost 2 his main midgame minions (drake and pillager), and there is no real replacement for them on this expansion. Vilespine Slayer can be good t5-t6 play, but has very bad body. Sherazin is not so bad on curve, but he is single card, actually it should be epic, not legendary.

Also rogue lost miracle,[card] Master of Disguise[/card] is no way a replacement. He lost Malygos deck as Thaurisan rotating...

I see that only questing aggro setup with both pirate and water package +double shadowstep will be at least playable on competitive ranks.

Rogue's gonna shine in wild, i don't know about standard though. Might have to think out of the box we're all used to.

@Kinxill Thanks for the tip! "Lotus Agents " can be real replacement for drake in rogue decks

Completing the quest might not be that hard if you have some redundancy, especially if you pick Fire Fly as your four-of target with Flame Elemental tokens as your backup through Fire Fly and Igneous Elemental like one of the decks listed earlier in the thread.

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@Kinxill Thanks for the tip! "Lotus Agents " can be real replacement for drake in rogue decks

 In Burgle (because 2 of the 3 cards are discountable) and Jade deck only (cuz the chance to get Jade stuff seems particularly high). I mentionned Burgle deck before mentionning Lotus Agents, but I guess you forgot it's not all about Miracle.

Unfortunately the rogue quest is "play" 4 minions of the same name, not "summon" minions made by moroes or imp master do not count as plays. I think this sucks because then anyone who wants to utilize the rogue quest has to fill their deck with brewmasters and shadow steps, which takes up room for better cards and allows for only one deck archetype to be developed for the quest. 

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Unfortunately the rogue quest is "play" 4 minions of the same name, not "summon" minions made by moroes or imp master do not count as plays. I think this sucks because then anyone who wants to utilize the rogue quest has to fill their deck with brewmasters and shadow steps, which takes up room for better cards and allows for only one deck archetype to be developed for the quest. 

• Play each minion just once and your potential Flame Elemental count is 6 in total from four generator minions.
• If you can Shadowstep one Fire Fly then you only need to draw and play three of the four generator minions to get enough for the quest. 
• If you can play both Fire Fly minions and Shadowstep each or one twice, you've completed the quest with Fire Fly and can hold the Flame Elementals for after the Crystal Core to use as 1-mana 5/5's.

That feels pretty doable in theory. 

If you also have room for Preparation, Vanish, and Violet Teacher, which is a great 5/5 token generator once the Crystal Core is in play, then you also have an alternate (though harder to combo) backup route to fulfilling the quest:

• Play Violet Teacher, cast 2 cheap spells, then Preparation into Vanish, and you will have the Teacher back in hand along with four 1-cost Violet Apprentice minions. This combo is card gain neutral but you must have space on the board and in your hand to not burn an Apprentice. Costs 5 mana if you cast two coins/counterfeit coins as the two cheap spells, 7 mana if those cheap spells cost zero, and 9 mana if those cheap spells cost one.
• Next turn play all four Violet Apprentice, receive the Crystal Core and play it - costs 9 mana without the second preparation, 6 mana if you do have it. If you do have it, play Violet Teacher first to get two additional Violet Apprentice from the Preparation and the Crystal Core so your board is Violet Teacher and six Violet Apprentice.

I believe Miracle Rogue can survive given the proper support.
Conceal --> Mimic Pod, Envenom Weapon, Vilespine Slayer - Conceal's slot could act as a flex slot in the deck whether its removal, draw etc.
Tomb Pillager --> Xaril, Poisoned Mind and Sherazin, Corpse Flower - Xaril can gives you 2 cheap cards for auctioneer draw plus it can give you the stealth toxin, Sherazin represents a threat that comes back on your important swing turns it could be good but if it turns out its too slow it can be easily replaced by Violet Teacher
Azure Drake --> Burgly Bully - good sized body that gives you coins to cycle or pump Edwin VanCleef

Lastly I'm not too sure about Fan of Knives as a 2 of in Miracle anymore. One of the key reasons it saw play was due to it doing 2 AOE damage in combination with drake or Bloodmage Thalnos.

As for Quest Rogue I'm in agreement with Nemast I think the Flame Elemental strategy is the easiest to pull off consistently. In theory if you drew 1 Fire Fly 1 Igneous Elemental and 1 Shadowstep you'd be able to complete the quest on turn 4 at the earliest. 
Turn 1 - The Caverns Below --> Turn 2 - Fire Fly + Flame Elemental --> Turn 3 Igneous Elemental --> Turn 4 - Trade Igneous Elemental + Play 2 Flame Elementals + Shadowstep + Flame Elemental + 2 mana --> Turn 5 - Crystal Core

That is a dream scenario but that is why you double down on bounce synergies to allow you to complete the quest faster.

There are a couple of deathrattle minions that seem like they'd be absolutely broken with Crystal Core in play that spawn additional minions.

• In Wild, for example, you have access to Haunted Creeper, Sludge Belcher, and Wobbling Runts which spawn multiple bodies or have a taunt minion as a deathrattle. Piloted Shredder is also powerful, depending on which 2 mana minion it summons as a 5/5.
• In standard you have Eggnapper and Stated Threshadon in Un'Goro that spawn multiple bodies as a deathrattle. Igneous Elemental generates tokens you can play for more 5/5's and should already be in most Crystal Core decks. Jade cards produce 5/5 Golems if you saved them, though I think there are better deathrattles than Jade Swarmer, even if the Jade Golem is a 5/5 without any other Jade cards.

I have built a deck like that;

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I believe Miracle Rogue can survive given the proper support.
Conceal --> Mimic Pod, Envenom Weapon, Vilespine Slayer - Conceal's slot could act as a flex slot in the deck whether its removal, draw etc.
Tomb Pillager --> Xaril, Poisoned Mind and Sherazin, Corpse Flower - Xaril can gives you 2 cheap cards for auctioneer draw plus it can give you the stealth toxin, Sherazin represents a threat that comes back on your important swing turns it could be good but if it turns out its too slow it can be easily replaced by Violet Teacher
Azure Drake --> Burgly Bully - good sized body that gives you coins to cycle or pump Edwin VanCleef

Lastly I'm not too sure about Fan of Knives as a 2 of in Miracle anymore. One of the key reasons it saw play was due to it doing 2 AOE damage in combination with drake or Bloodmage Thalnos.

As for Quest Rogue I'm in agreement with Nemast I think the Flame Elemental strategy is the easiest to pull off consistently. In theory if you drew 1 Fire Fly 1 Igneous Elemental and 1 Shadowstep you'd be able to complete the quest on turn 4 at the earliest. 
Turn 1 - The Caverns Below --> Turn 2 - Fire Fly + Flame Elemental --> Turn 3 Igneous Elemental --> Turn 4 - Trade Igneous Elemental + Play 2 Flame Elementals + Shadowstep + Flame Elemental + 2 mana --> Turn 5 - Crystal Core

That is a dream scenario but that is why you double down on bounce synergies to allow you to complete the quest faster.

these are my ideas for rogue, is till think the quest is being underaprreciated and will be a great card, i think razorpetal cards are really weak but if you can get a turn with Violet Teacher and multiple razor petals after you've played crystal core, it might be worth it, that's why one of the decks doesn't even bother running Razorpetal Volley.

I'd like to try this

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these are my ideas for rogue, is till think the quest is being underaprreciated and will be a great card, i think razorpetal cards are really weak but if you can get a turn with Violet Teacher and multiple razor petals after you've played crystal core, it might be worth it, that's why one of the decks doesn't even bother running Razorpetal Volley.

 

My take on a The Caverns Below deck. The goal of this deck is to bounce Novice Engineer and cycle through as much of your deck as possible and either finish him off by overwhelming him with a load of 5/5 's or just combo him down using the pirates & Vanish