In terms of card draw...the new 1 drop and 2 mana Thoughtsteal don't help with card draw, but they do help tremendously with card generation. And rarely do you get crap or unplayable cards. The devs really don't want Priest to be a combo class anymore...not sure why Druid always gets cards to support that style of deck but oh well.
As for Reliquary of Souls I think you are underestimating the value it brings. If you can play it on t1 and buff it on t2 aggro decks has to commit a lot of ressources to killing it because they can't ignore a lifesteal minion. As for the prime: I think Winged Guardian has shown how annoying high health minions are with shroud. The biggest issue with the Prime: Priest can't draw cards, so if it's in the bottom 10 of your deck it becomes irrelevant.
Well, the comparison to Winged Guardian is fair but I think they are far more reliable than Reliquary will ultimately be. Two Winged Guardians can go in the deck already powerful, no other card required to even get them in the deck, as opposed to a single Reliquary of Souls that must first die before it can even compare. Also, druid has extremely powerful draw tools to ensure they can get them when needed as reliably as possible, where priest is going to be (I think) the worst class in the game when it comes to card draw, as you pointed out. Also with the current meta, there's the symbiotic relationship with Witching Hour that makes them even more reliable (though druids are losing Witching Hour with the rotation but my point is in the current meta, it's one of the reasons why they're powerful and annoying). Tack on all the other impressive threats Druids are consistently bombarding you with due to Embiggen and it makes it a strong addition to the deck since most players are forced to use powerful removal tools on other powerful threats as well. Lastly, it has Reborn, making it far less susceptible to removal.
Compared to Reliquary, I believe Winged Guardian is the superior card with the support necessary to make them playable. Priests lack the impressive, consistent threats of Druid. Most classes won't have many problems saving their best removal when they're expecting a Reliquary Prime. Come early-mid to late game, Reliquary of Souls becomes a below average to bad top deck, (like most 1 drops outside of zoo).
I think my biggest problem with Reliquary is the lack of reliability, because Reliquary Prime is obviously a powerful card that can become a real threat. I mean, you cast Grave Rune on Reliquary Prime and now he's a win condition. That alone can make him insane! So I admit, I could be completely off the mark here. But if that's your win condition, you have to figure out a way to reliably get Reliquary's deathrattle triggered to make sure Reliquary Prime makes it onto the board, and then he has to stick around long enough to be buffed into the win condition. That's a tall order. It might happen and I know I'll definitely try to make it happen, but at the end of the day, I'm trying to be realistic and temper my expectations of the card as a whole, because if can't make that a reality consistently, he's essentially just a slow, unreliable Winged Guardian without reborn.
As for Reliquary of Souls I think you are underestimating the value it brings. If you can play it on t1 and buff it on t2 aggro decks has to commit a lot of ressources to killing it because they can't ignore a lifesteal minion. As for the prime: I think Winged Guardian has shown how annoying high health minions are with shroud. The biggest issue with the Prime: Priest can't draw cards, so if it's in the bottom 10 of your deck it becomes irrelevant.
Well, the comparison to Winged Guardian is fair but I think they are far more reliable than Reliquary will ultimately be. Two Winged Guardians can go in the deck already powerful, no other card required to even get them in the deck, as opposed to a single Reliquary of Souls that must first die before it can even compare. Also, druid has extremely powerful draw tools to ensure they can get them when needed as reliably as possible, where priest is going to be (I think) the worst class in the game when it comes to card draw, as you pointed out. Also with the current meta, there's the symbiotic relationship with Witching Hour that makes them even more reliable (though druids are losing Witching Hour with the rotation but my point is in the current meta, it's one of the reasons why they're powerful and annoying). Tack on all the other impressive threats Druids are consistently bombarding you with due to Embiggen and it makes it a strong addition to the deck since most players are forced to use powerful removal tools on other powerful threats as well. Lastly, it has Reborn, making it far less susceptible to removal.
Compared to Reliquary, I believe Winged Guardian is the superior card with the support necessary to make them playable. Priests lack the impressive, consistent threats of Druid. Most classes won't have many problems saving their best removal when they're expecting a Reliquary Prime. Come early-mid to late game, Reliquary of Souls becomes a below average to bad top deck, (like most 1 drops outside of zoo).
I think my biggest problem with Reliquary is the lack of reliability, because Reliquary Prime is obviously a powerful card that can become a real threat. I mean, you cast Grave Rune on Reliquary Prime and now he's a win condition. That alone can make him insane! So I admit, I could be completely off the mark here. But if that's your win condition, you have to figure out a way to reliably get Reliquary's deathrattle triggered to make sure Reliquary Prime makes it onto the board, and then he has to stick around long enough to be buffed into the win condition. That's a tall order. It might happen and I know I'll definitely try to make it happen, but at the end of the day, I'm trying to be realistic and temper my expectations of the card as a whole, because if can't make that a reality consistently, he's essentially just a slow, unreliable Winged Guardian without reborn.
I think Reliquary Prime is somewhat comparable to Winged Guardian. Yes, the reborn tag i strong but Priest can heal and buff the prime card. Winged Guardian gets the edge due the Druids ability to force it out quickly, draw and revive it (as you mentioned). But I was mostly talking about a comparison between the two cards.
But you are probably right that this card won't be relevant due to Priest's lack of draw - making it unreliable. Perhaps it's a lot stronger in wild where Priest has more res tools to either spawn multiple primes or shuffle multiple primes into the deck.
However, I still think the card is solid when played on curve or early enough as you can land a buff on it. But then again… how often will that happen?
Imprisoned Homunculus: ★★★☆☆ A very good dormant minion. It's not the best dormant 1 drop we've seen *cough*Imprisoned Gan'arg*cough* but still quite good. Not sure where this fits in the upcoming meta but I suspect we'll see him around
is the only card "i have a problem with" and thats becouse it is a demon. NO demon should be ever in a priest class PERIOD
Imprisoned Homunculus: ★★★☆☆ A very good dormant minion. It's not the best dormant 1 drop we've seen *cough*Imprisoned Gan'arg*cough* but still quite good. Not sure where this fits in the upcoming meta but I suspect we'll see him around
is the only card "i have a problem with" and thats becouse it is a demon. NO demon should be ever in a priest class PERIOD
Priests have always dabbled with the darkness and shadows, which is why there are shadow priests. I don't think priests having a demon is really straying from their decided role.
Paladins on the other hand, I would have to agree with you. Though I don't think they are getting any.
Natalie Seline: ★★★★☆ up from 3. I already expected it to be good but it's turning out better than I hoped.
Imprisoned Homunculus: ★★☆☆☆ down from 3. It's been far less impactful than I thought but I haven't given up on him yet.
Dragonmaw Sentinel: ★★★☆☆ up from 1. Turns out priests do have enough dragon support and it's an excellent 2 drop (been playing it in Highlander Priest).
Skeletal Dragon: ★★★★☆ up from 2. I really underestimated the insane value this card provides. So many powerful dragons including dragons from other classes. I think after the rotation the dragon card pool has gone up in quality.
Everything else so far seems to be fairly spot on, though your mileage may vary. lol. Having a ton of fun
For the record, Highlander Priest is very powerful right now and I just climbed to Legend losing only 3 games on the way. Easiest climb I've ever had in a long time.
This is what I used to get to legend. It can definitely use some tweaks but it worked pretty well. Like, I think Requiem of Souls can have a home here. I honestly didn't think all that great but I'd say 90% of my games were against Demon Hunters and it wasn't doing too bad there.
Edit: Just a heads up but it seems Demon Hunters are starting to greatly optimize their decks. While this deck still holds it's own quite well, I'm losing quite a few more games than I was while climbing. I removed Plague of Death and replaced it with a Wild Pyromancer to further help deal with the wide boards. I'm also thinking of making room for Khartut Defender though I'm unsure what to cut. Also, as I said, if you have either Reliquary of Souls and Soul Mirror, I'd suggest making room for them to try out. (I'll be crafting them tomorrow and finding out where they fit).
Let's just say, I'm glad I hit legend on patch day before these decks get further optimized because Demon Hunters are very fast and scary.
Priest prime is very bad, possibly the worst card of the set for Priest. You never draw the Prime part, I have around 50 games since the expansion and hardly managed to get the prime part on board like 10 times. Maybe in a control meta where you have time to draw, he will good.
Yup, pretty much as predicted. I always try to make priest legendary cards work but so far, reliquary has been pretty mediocre. I'm not entirely convinced it deserves 1 star yet and I'm still running it in my highlander priest, but I think I can safely cut it and not miss it.
I will say that my highlander deck is no longer performing as well as it did on day one, so I might have to see if these deck gurus out there can come up with a better deck list to fit the new DH meta. Still convinced highlander priest has potential, just not necessarily the one I came up with :p
Yup, pretty much as predicted. I always try to make priest legendary cards work but so far, reliquary has been pretty mediocre. I'm not entirely convinced it deserves 1 star yet and I'm still running it in my highlander priest, but I think I can safely cut it and not miss it.
I will say that my highlander deck is no longer performing as well as it did on day one, so I might have to see if these deck gurus out there can come up with a better deck list to fit the new DH meta. Still convinced highlander priest has potential, just not necessarily the one I came up with :p
I am still playing your list and doing very well against DH. Out of my last 7 games against them I won 6 at Diamond 6 - though I guess the skillcap is a higher at legend :-)
I think your list is very solid. I am bit nervous about Galakrond Warlock and Wild Pyromancer would probably be a great addition to dealing with their wide boards.
Psychic Conjurer: ★★★★☆ Wow, this card is something else. 1 mana 1/1 card generator. It's just good. Really good. I've played with this card a bit and it's just stupidly good. This minion is going to see a lot of play.
Psychic Conjurer: ★★★★☆ Wow, this card is something else. 1 mana 1/1 card generator. It's just good. Really good. I've played with this card a bit and it's just stupidly good. This minion is going to see a lot of play.
No, he wasn't played in any meta Priest deck. Some people played that in Amara decks because of deathrattle keyword not because it is a particularly powerful one drop. Conjurer is better than Oracle but not good enough to see play in this meta.
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In terms of card draw...the new 1 drop and 2 mana Thoughtsteal don't help with card draw, but they do help tremendously with card generation. And rarely do you get crap or unplayable cards. The devs really don't want Priest to be a combo class anymore...not sure why Druid always gets cards to support that style of deck but oh well.
Well, the comparison to Winged Guardian is fair but I think they are far more reliable than Reliquary will ultimately be. Two Winged Guardians can go in the deck already powerful, no other card required to even get them in the deck, as opposed to a single Reliquary of Souls that must first die before it can even compare. Also, druid has extremely powerful draw tools to ensure they can get them when needed as reliably as possible, where priest is going to be (I think) the worst class in the game when it comes to card draw, as you pointed out. Also with the current meta, there's the symbiotic relationship with Witching Hour that makes them even more reliable (though druids are losing Witching Hour with the rotation but my point is in the current meta, it's one of the reasons why they're powerful and annoying). Tack on all the other impressive threats Druids are consistently bombarding you with due to Embiggen and it makes it a strong addition to the deck since most players are forced to use powerful removal tools on other powerful threats as well. Lastly, it has Reborn, making it far less susceptible to removal.
Compared to Reliquary, I believe Winged Guardian is the superior card with the support necessary to make them playable. Priests lack the impressive, consistent threats of Druid. Most classes won't have many problems saving their best removal when they're expecting a Reliquary Prime. Come early-mid to late game, Reliquary of Souls becomes a below average to bad top deck, (like most 1 drops outside of zoo).
I think my biggest problem with Reliquary is the lack of reliability, because Reliquary Prime is obviously a powerful card that can become a real threat. I mean, you cast Grave Rune on Reliquary Prime and now he's a win condition. That alone can make him insane! So I admit, I could be completely off the mark here. But if that's your win condition, you have to figure out a way to reliably get Reliquary's deathrattle triggered to make sure Reliquary Prime makes it onto the board, and then he has to stick around long enough to be buffed into the win condition. That's a tall order. It might happen and I know I'll definitely try to make it happen, but at the end of the day, I'm trying to be realistic and temper my expectations of the card as a whole, because if can't make that a reality consistently, he's essentially just a slow, unreliable Winged Guardian without reborn.
I think Reliquary Prime is somewhat comparable to Winged Guardian. Yes, the reborn tag i strong but Priest can heal and buff the prime card. Winged Guardian gets the edge due the Druids ability to force it out quickly, draw and revive it (as you mentioned). But I was mostly talking about a comparison between the two cards.
But you are probably right that this card won't be relevant due to Priest's lack of draw - making it unreliable. Perhaps it's a lot stronger in wild where Priest has more res tools to either spawn multiple primes or shuffle multiple primes into the deck.
However, I still think the card is solid when played on curve or early enough as you can land a buff on it. But then again… how often will that happen?
is the only card "i have a problem with" and thats becouse it is a demon. NO demon should be ever in a priest class PERIOD
I reject your reality and subsitute my own!
Priests have always dabbled with the darkness and shadows, which is why there are shadow priests. I don't think priests having a demon is really straying from their decided role.
Paladins on the other hand, I would have to agree with you. Though I don't think they are getting any.
Well, after playing all day, I can easily say I missed some star ratings pretty bad, lol
Thoughtsteal ★★★★☆ up from 3.
Power Infusion ★★☆☆☆ down from 3. I think this card is just a bit too slow.
Shadow Word: Ruin ★★★★★ up from 4. This card is insanely good.
Natalie Seline: ★★★★☆ up from 3. I already expected it to be good but it's turning out better than I hoped.
Imprisoned Homunculus: ★★☆☆☆ down from 3. It's been far less impactful than I thought but I haven't given up on him yet.
Dragonmaw Sentinel: ★★★☆☆ up from 1. Turns out priests do have enough dragon support and it's an excellent 2 drop (been playing it in Highlander Priest).
Skeletal Dragon: ★★★★☆ up from 2. I really underestimated the insane value this card provides. So many powerful dragons including dragons from other classes. I think after the rotation the dragon card pool has gone up in quality.
Everything else so far seems to be fairly spot on, though your mileage may vary. lol. Having a ton of fun
For the record, Highlander Priest is very powerful right now and I just climbed to Legend losing only 3 games on the way. Easiest climb I've ever had in a long time.
can you share your list please :)
thanks!
This is what I used to get to legend. It can definitely use some tweaks but it worked pretty well. Like, I think Requiem of Souls can have a home here. I honestly didn't think all that great but I'd say 90% of my games were against Demon Hunters and it wasn't doing too bad there.
Edit: Just a heads up but it seems Demon Hunters are starting to greatly optimize their decks. While this deck still holds it's own quite well, I'm losing quite a few more games than I was while climbing. I removed Plague of Death and replaced it with a Wild Pyromancer to further help deal with the wide boards. I'm also thinking of making room for Khartut Defender though I'm unsure what to cut. Also, as I said, if you have either Reliquary of Souls and Soul Mirror, I'd suggest making room for them to try out. (I'll be crafting them tomorrow and finding out where they fit).
Let's just say, I'm glad I hit legend on patch day before these decks get further optimized because Demon Hunters are very fast and scary.
Priest prime is very bad, possibly the worst card of the set for Priest. You never draw the Prime part, I have around 50 games since the expansion and hardly managed to get the prime part on board like 10 times. Maybe in a control meta where you have time to draw, he will good.
Yup, pretty much as predicted. I always try to make priest legendary cards work but so far, reliquary has been pretty mediocre. I'm not entirely convinced it deserves 1 star yet and I'm still running it in my highlander priest, but I think I can safely cut it and not miss it.
I will say that my highlander deck is no longer performing as well as it did on day one, so I might have to see if these deck gurus out there can come up with a better deck list to fit the new DH meta. Still convinced highlander priest has potential, just not necessarily the one I came up with :p
I am still playing your list and doing very well against DH. Out of my last 7 games against them I won 6 at Diamond 6 - though I guess the skillcap is a higher at legend :-)
I think your list is very solid. I am bit nervous about Galakrond Warlock and Wild Pyromancer would probably be a great addition to dealing with their wide boards.
Great to hear. I'm glad you're having success with it! I had a lot of fun climbing on day 1.
Power word shield being zero makes the Uldum single-player OTKable 99% of the time
We all remember Crystalline Oracle being in nearly every priest deck.
This is the same effect on a battlecry!
No, he wasn't played in any meta Priest deck. Some people played that in Amara decks because of deathrattle keyword not because it is a particularly powerful one drop. Conjurer is better than Oracle but not good enough to see play in this meta.