I created the following deck and found out it had a lot in common with a spitefull priest deck, but I did have some changes. Most importantly I use keleseth instead of historians and shadow ascendents and I don't use the 8 mana spell. It seems to work good (well I made rank 10 right now, just not much time to play). Some more details are in the deck description. It seems that with the deck I still have a fighting chance against agro (bit draw dependant though). Also it seems to do fairly well vs mage and it wrecks most "other" control decks.
I also have the feeling that it's favourable vs the "netdeck" spitefull priest, but ofcourse that can just seem that way because of low rank and small sample size.
Anyway what do you think? See any improvements or do you have any suggestions? Please let me know.
I created the following deck and found out it had a lot in common with a spitefull priest deck, but I did have some changes. Most importantly I use keleseth instead of historians and shadow ascendents and I don't use the 8 mana spell. It seems to work good (well I made rank 10 right now, just not much time to play). Some more details are in the deck description. It seems that with the deck I still have a fighting chance against agro (bit draw dependant though). Also it seems to do fairly well vs mage and it wrecks most "other" control decks.
I also have the feeling that it's favourable vs the "netdeck" spitefull priest, but ofcourse that can just seem that way because of low rank and small sample size.
Anyway what do you think? See any improvements or do you have any suggestions? Please let me know.
In all honesty, here are the cards I'd get rid of:
Shroom Brewer: If you want to use a card similar to this, Darkshire Alchemist is the best option. If not, then Tortollan Shellraiser is way better.
Psychic Scream: Unless you can find another card to replace, I personally don't see the need for this card. In my decklist, I have Free From Amber in the decklist. See if that makes a difference in your game style.
Zola/Keleseth: The main issue with these 2 cards in the deck is that you need to hold until turn 5 (that is unless you play Keleseth turn 2 and pray that your opponent can't counter it so you can play Zola next turn, which many decks nowadays do) to have these 2 cards in action. So unless you want to gamble with these 2 cards in action, you might want to switch these out.
Also, most Spiteful decks use Dragons in most to all decklists. So you might want to add cards like Book Wyrm and Drangonfire Potion to counter certain decks. And finally, I really like Curator and Shadow Ascendant in this type of deck mainly because of card draw and board control.
As much as I like your idea, Keleseth isn't really the best for decks like this.
Thanks a lot for your comment and reply! Really appreciate it.
I know the version of spiteful priest with the 8 mana spell (also wrote something about it in my deck description). However when you draw that spell doesn't do much differently than dropping a good 8 or 9 drop (The 8 and 9 drop dragon in my list). The random factor makes it worse than a fixed drop I think.
Pysic scream in this deck is added either when you really need an "out" vs agro (and you lived till that turn) or vs cubelock. Also 2 spells would probably not be enough for the summoners.
With regards to keleseth and zola (vs shadow ascendents). I play keleseth as soon as I get him and can play him. If I can copy him with zola it's great but even without a second one he gives a great advantage over your opponent because he boosts all your remaining minions. The shadow ascendents are dependent on your bord and dropping them alone is bad. Next to that they can be killed by most decks easily so having more than one/two boosts is not happening fast. Zola can copy a lot of great battlecry minions. I have has a 3rd spiteful summoner a couple of times and it gives you such an extra amount of power. But even another tar creeper (vs agro) or duskbreaker can be great.
With regards to the shroom brewer. This was more or less a test from me (originally had 2) to see how good healing is in this deck. I liked it better than the 3/3 healing 3 cause it doesn't die to the 3 mana warlock aoe. The healing itself is pretty need. I seem to either get some additional card draw (paired with cleric) or one of my minions is able to survive. But even now I'm also still evaluating it to see if it will remain.
Anyway if i make any changes I'll post them here as well together with the reasoning so others can also learn from it.
yeah i think the keleseth build of this deck has taken a hit since the patches nerf. if you're not running captains and patches, you're probably better off running netherspite historian and shadow ascendent. i would definitley ditch psychic scream for 2x amber. it's just better. 8 drops are the best drops in the game, and if you're playing a last ditch board clear against aggro on 7, you've probably already lost. if you realllly dont' wanna run amber and realllly want a board clear, the poster above's suggestion of dragonfire potion is probably better than scream (6 drops might better on the whole than 7). shroom brewer seems pretty bad here, as is crystalline oracle (firefly is probably better as 1 drop, even). doubling up on twilight acolyte and cabal shadow priest might be worthwhile for the warlock matchup. 2x twilight drake is also needed. bookworm is good to combat doomsayer/nova.
Thanks a lot for your comment and reply! Really appreciate it.
I know the version of spiteful priest with the 8 mana spell (also wrote something about it in my deck description). However when you draw that spell doesn't do much differently than dropping a good 8 or 9 drop (The 8 and 9 drop dragon in my list). The random factor makes it worse than a fixed drop I think.
Pysic scream in this deck is added either when you really need an "out" vs agro (and you lived till that turn) or vs cubelock. Also 2 spells would probably not be enough for the summoners.
With regards to keleseth and zola (vs shadow ascendents). I play keleseth as soon as I get him and can play him. If I can copy him with zola it's great but even without a second one he gives a great advantage over your opponent because he boosts all your remaining minions. The shadow ascendents are dependent on your bord and dropping them alone is bad. Next to that they can be killed by most decks easily so having more than one/two boosts is not happening fast. Zola can copy a lot of great battlecry minions. I have has a 3rd spiteful summoner a couple of times and it gives you such an extra amount of power. But even another tar creeper (vs agro) or duskbreaker can be great.
With regards to the shroom brewer. This was more or less a test from me (originally had 2) to see how good healing is in this deck. I liked it better than the 3/3 healing 3 cause it doesn't die to the 3 mana warlock aoe. The healing itself is pretty need. I seem to either get some additional card draw (paired with cleric) or one of my minions is able to survive. But even now I'm also still evaluating it to see if it will remain.
Anyway if i make any changes I'll post them here as well together with the reasoning so others can also learn from it.
For Shroom Brewer, Pain of Acolyte is the best option for replacement.
And with the increase of Dragon Priests and Controlocks, this deck might struggle a ton.
yeah i think the keleseth build of this deck has taken a hit since the patches nerf. if you're not running captains and patches, you're probably better off running netherspite historian and shadow ascendent. i would definitley ditch psychic scream for 2x amber. it's just better. 8 drops are the best drops in the game, and if you're playing a last ditch board clear against aggro on 7, you've probably already lost. if you realllly dont' wanna run amber and realllly want a board clear, the poster above's suggestion of dragonfire potion is probably better than scream (6 drops might better on the whole than 7). shroom brewer seems pretty bad here, as is crystalline oracle (firefly is probably better as 1 drop, even). doubling up on twilight acolyte and cabal shadow priest might be worthwhile for the warlock matchup. 2x twilight drake is also needed. bookworm is good to combat doomsayer/nova.
yeah i think the keleseth build of this deck has taken a hit since the patches nerf. if you're not running captains and patches, you're probably better off running netherspite historian and shadow ascendent. i would definitley ditch psychic scream for 2x amber. it's just better. 8 drops are the best drops in the game, and if you're playing a last ditch board clear against aggro on 7, you've probably already lost. if you realllly dont' wanna run amber and realllly want a board clear, the poster above's suggestion of dragonfire potion is probably better than scream (6 drops might better on the whole than 7). shroom brewer seems pretty bad here, as is crystalline oracle (firefly is probably better as 1 drop, even). doubling up on twilight acolyte and cabal shadow priest might be worthwhile for the warlock matchup. 2x twilight drake is also needed. bookworm is good to combat doomsayer/nova.
Well I never actually played the deck before the nerf (Highlander priest at that time).
I might be wrong but I don't feel I need more dragons (from Netherspite historian). I typically have a nice enough amount of dragons to play in my hand and their general power level is pretty high as well. Also shadow ascendent (when not combined with tar creeper) is not so strong in my opinion (it typically just gives one minnion +1/+1 at that time). With tar creeper it's typically around 2x or 3x +1/+1, depending on your matchup. Still I feel Keleseth is in that sense more usefull.
As mentioned before Shroom brewer is more or less a "test" to see how things are going. I might (and probably will) change it for something else later on. I am just not sure what to change it into. Another Silence or maybe including one copy of free from amber? But also one more Twilight Acolyte would probably be a good thing.
I feel dragonfire potion would indeed be better vs agro but would be a lott (and I mean a lott a lott) worse vs warlock and other priests. Especially in the mirror matchups when you loose bord control it gives you a moment to stabilize. VS warlock it gives you (next to silence) another way of negating there deathrattles which can be huge.
The two crystaline oracles have so far served me pretty well. In agro matchups (when you have them early) you at least are not totally run over and it typically gives you another minion (or sometimes a tool) to deal with the other agro minions. In mirror matchups and vs warlocks you typically get a strong card as well (well all cards in those decks are basically usefull and strong anyway). The synergy is also mostly good with the current deck.
Also I am an f2p player so I rather not craft anything when I don't have to. Only when it allows me to increase the power level dramatically I typically do that.
Thanks a lot for your comment and reply! Really appreciate it.
I know the version of spiteful priest with the 8 mana spell (also wrote something about it in my deck description). However when you draw that spell doesn't do much differently than dropping a good 8 or 9 drop (The 8 and 9 drop dragon in my list). The random factor makes it worse than a fixed drop I think.
Pysic scream in this deck is added either when you really need an "out" vs agro (and you lived till that turn) or vs cubelock. Also 2 spells would probably not be enough for the summoners.
With regards to keleseth and zola (vs shadow ascendents). I play keleseth as soon as I get him and can play him. If I can copy him with zola it's great but even without a second one he gives a great advantage over your opponent because he boosts all your remaining minions. The shadow ascendents are dependent on your bord and dropping them alone is bad. Next to that they can be killed by most decks easily so having more than one/two boosts is not happening fast. Zola can copy a lot of great battlecry minions. I have has a 3rd spiteful summoner a couple of times and it gives you such an extra amount of power. But even another tar creeper (vs agro) or duskbreaker can be great.
With regards to the shroom brewer. This was more or less a test from me (originally had 2) to see how good healing is in this deck. I liked it better than the 3/3 healing 3 cause it doesn't die to the 3 mana warlock aoe. The healing itself is pretty need. I seem to either get some additional card draw (paired with cleric) or one of my minions is able to survive. But even now I'm also still evaluating it to see if it will remain.
Anyway if i make any changes I'll post them here as well together with the reasoning so others can also learn from it.
For Shroom Brewer, Pain of Acolyte is the best option for replacement.
And with the increase of Dragon Priests and Controlocks, this deck might struggle a ton.
I don't feel I need more card draw and the decks I do encounter can typically deal 3 damage in one go on t3 anyway. So I would think the acolyte of pain is mostly there for show.
I do feel (r8 currently) that my mirrors and lock matchups go quite ok actually with a positive winrate on both of them. But with just my own set of data that doesn't have to say anything about the actual power level of the deck. It could very well be that the regular netdeck is stronger in overal power level and I just win sometimes because of luck and/or because people expect another deck.
Well thanks for all the comments. Gives me something to think about again. If you did try out the deck at some point and made some (positive) changes please let me know as well.
Ok so others have pointed out the bad card like the shroom bro so I won't go into that, but I do want to explain you why the Keleseth and Psychic Scream choices are actually bad for your deck... First of all, Keleseth is an amazing card, giving all your minions a +1/+1 can win games on its own but the fact that you have to not run historians in order to play him is not good, it was a solid option before cause ou could run captains and patches and get a 3/3 with charge on turn 3 so basically it was a 6/6 deal 3 dmg for just 3 mana but now patches is not that good which means keleseth is not better than historian, that card generates amazing value, it can work as a dragon activator as it generates a second dragon, you want to either get drakonoid OPs oncontrol match-ups or Duskbreaker vs aggro so that's something you really don't want to sacrifice just to have the chance of playing a keleseth on curve.
Psychic scream is also great but there are 2 big problems, first of all this type of decks are basically tempo decks, which means they have a strong minion base that it uses to gain control of the board and then push big amounts of damage to the face and psychic scream is the opposite, you forfeit all tempo and use all your turn to remove the opponents board but you still didn't develop anything, and after playing this deck a while (and other tempo decks) you'll realize that once you lose control of the board there's almost no way to get it back so running psychic scream is bad as it'll be either a deck card in your hand cause you have control of the board and you don't need it or it won't do anything as even if you clear the board there's almost no chance to take it back. Also 7 drops suck, just now I can think of 2 really terrible ones, Lynessa and the new vanguard dude that recruits an 8 drop, the reason you run free from amber is that 8 drops are very solid, almost all of them are at worse solid but a 6 mana 5/5 doesn't sound as good + even if you draw both FFA you can still get a huge body (of your choice) for the 8 mana, the scream does nothing in this type of deck.
Well again (and again and again) thanks for all of the advice. I'm modifying the deck now so the psysic scream and the brewer are gone and for them I included 2x free from amber in their place.
Only played one game and I won but in this case not because of the summoner ( pulled all my spells in the first 8 turns or something without a summoner in sight. Will let everybody know how it goes further.
One remark/question I have for mackie. You mentioned the historians work as a dragon activator. But it costs me two deck slots. If I fill these 2 slots with dragons that boils down to the same right? And I don't have to spend 2 mana to activate them. I totally agree they are good value but I don't like the random aspect to much and (as mentioned before) i feel the deck has more than enough value in it anyway.
With regards to your remark about getting additional drakanoid ops and duskbreaker: that's what I gace zola for in this deck and the additional card from drakanoid is less necessary because of the crystaline oracle.
Anyway that's my reasoning, it might be totally rubbish but so far the deck is doing nicely. As mentioned it might perform better with the changes everybody mentioned but for now I'll keep keleseth and zola in (probably until I'm not able to climb (fast enough) anymore).
Well again (and again and again) thanks for all of the advice. I'm modifying the deck now so the psysic scream and the brewer are gone and for them I included 2x free from amber in their place.
Only played one game and I won but in this case not because of the summoner ( pulled all my spells in the first 8 turns or something without a summoner in sight. Will let everybody know how it goes further.
One remark/question I have for mackie. You mentioned the historians work as a dragon activator. But it costs me two deck slots. If I fill these 2 slots with dragons that boils down to the same right? And I don't have to spend 2 mana to activate them. I totally agree they are good value but I don't like the random aspect to much and (as mentioned before) i feel the deck has more than enough value in it anyway.
With regards to your remark about getting additional drakanoid ops and duskbreaker: that's what I gace zola for in this deck and the additional card from drakanoid is less necessary because of the crystaline oracle.
Anyway that's my reasoning, it might be totally rubbish but so far the deck is doing nicely. As mentioned it might perform better with the changes everybody mentioned but for now I'll keep keleseth and zola in (probably until I'm not able to climb (fast enough) anymore).
Well again (and again and again) thanks for all of the advice. I'm modifying the deck now so the psysic scream and the brewer are gone and for them I included 2x free from amber in their place.
Only played one game and I won but in this case not because of the summoner ( pulled all my spells in the first 8 turns or something without a summoner in sight. Will let everybody know how it goes further.
One remark/question I have for mackie. You mentioned the historians work as a dragon activator. But it costs me two deck slots. If I fill these 2 slots with dragons that boils down to the same right? And I don't have to spend 2 mana to activate them. I totally agree they are good value but I don't like the random aspect to much and (as mentioned before) i feel the deck has more than enough value in it anyway.
With regards to your remark about getting additional drakanoid ops and duskbreaker: that's what I gace zola for in this deck and the additional card from drakanoid is less necessary because of the crystaline oracle.
Anyway that's my reasoning, it might be totally rubbish but so far the deck is doing nicely. As mentioned it might perform better with the changes everybody mentioned but for now I'll keep keleseth and zola in (probably until I'm not able to climb (fast enough) anymore).
netherspite is a much better card for this deck than either zola or crystalline. discovering a dragon is generally way better for your deck than a random opponent card, and better than just including more dragons because you can fill out your curve or grab matchup appropriate cards. zola is great if you hit the t3 keleseth dream, but is bad tempo in general and requires you to have a board to get any use out of it. you're better off discovering that extra drakonid via netherspite than hoping you can land the zola on one. seriously, it's worth trying out.
also while shadow ascendant isn't as powerful as keleseth overall, the snowball effect and quicker board impact can actually be more advantageous than keleseth's buffs at times. it's also a better mid-late game top deck if you've got any board at all.
in general, keleseth only really shines when you have the draw to take advantage of it. if you really want to run keleseth i'd be tempted to run captains and patches, even post nerf.
Well my current decklist still doesn't run the historian and the shadow ascendents but 2 days ago I made r5 already (quicker than anything else) I'm not sure if it's because i got lucky, or if the deck is actually pretty good without the historians and the shadow ascendants. The deck I currently used (partly based on all your feedback):
I think Ysera is a dead weight in the deck also I don't think keleseth buff worth to remove two drops from the deck also Keleseth is good when you buff minions at early game but late game it already turns into a big fight with big minions
I think Ysera is a dead weight in the deck also I don't think keleseth buff worth to remove two drops from the deck also Keleseth is good when you buff minions at early game but late game it already turns into a big fight with big minions
That's exactly the question and I'm not sure if it's "better" than the regular spitefull priest. I think (but don't know) the regular variant might be a bit more consistent, while the variant I play is a bit more draw dependent. I however still feel the overal power level is quite the same. It would be intesting to see if both decks draw "mediocre" (not good, not bad) which would would be favourable vs different matchups.
But that can only be tested with a big amount of games and I don't have that time unfortunately.
At ysera. Yes it's mostly a death card, especially in faster games. However it's a great cards in slower matches when you need an value creation card. It has provided a couple of wins when i would otherwise have lost
Btw in the list you posted I would get rid of psychic scream and add at least one cabal shadow priest and one or two silences. They really help.
I think Ysera is a dead weight in the deck also I don't think keleseth buff worth to remove two drops from the deck also Keleseth is good when you buff minions at early game but late game it already turns into a big fight with big minions
That's exactly the question and I'm not sure if it's "better" than the regular spitefull priest. I think (but don't know) the regular variant might be a bit more consistent, while the variant I play is a bit more draw dependent. I however still feel the overal power level is quite the same. It would be intesting to see if both decks draw "mediocre" (not good, not bad) which would would be favourable vs different matchups.
But that can only be tested with a big amount of games and I don't have that time unfortunately.
At ysera. Yes it's mostly a death card, especially in faster games. However it's a great cards in slower matches when you need an value creation card. It has provided a couple of wins when i would otherwise have lost
Btw in the list you posted I would get rid of psychic scream and add at least one cabal shadow priest and one or two silences. They really help.
Psychic scream doesn't hurt the deck actually I was able to win many games because of a single Psychic scream it is good against hunters and paladin.
I am playing your deck right now
1. Vs King's Banerogue- I lost because there is no tech card against weapon + it was able to flood my hand and I didn't even draw extra cards that never happened with regular spitefull priest. No Kelesth
3. Vs Combo Priest - I won he was not able to set minion on the board. No Keleseth
4. Vs Jade Shaman - I won Bad deck I don't know what he was trying to achieve. Keleseth at turn 2.
5. Vs Priest - I won He conceded at the start of the game probably bad connection.
6. Vs Weird Rogue- I won he was probably trying to complete deathrattle quest at fkn ladder. No Keleseth
7. Vs Midrange Hunter- I won seriously dude wtf is wrong with the ladder today. No Keleseth
8. Vs Cubelock - I lost Skull of the Man'ari at turn 5 and nothing to prevent him from pulling 2 Voidlord and 1 Doomguard in a row seriously a weapon destruction card is necessary in this deck. No Keleseth
9. Vs Miracle Rogue -I lost no board clear to remove 4 drops. turn 3 Keleseth
10. Vs Bigspell Mage - I lost continuous board clear + Frost Lich Jaina+ Dragoncaller Alanna no board removal to get rid of 5/5- turn two Keleseth
10 sample is not enough but this deck lacks a weapon tech + it is slow compared to regular spiteful Priest I think two silence is unnecessary since there is not much minion to silence
Thanks a lot for testing the deck on your side as well! Good to see you got some wins (although not because of this version of the deck) if you indeed face a lot of weapon (rogue and warlock) please remove one of the silences and put in a weapon tech. Spell breaker is probably best to keep because of the 4 mana. The 2 silences came in useful because I faced a lot of warlock, but for other decks they are suboptimal.
I also liked physic scream in the deck before but it seemed almost always a death card and it pulled bad minions most of the times (saw the 1/1 paladin legend quite a lot, just bad luck I know). If you now encounter a lot of paladins I can imagine it's good to run, although it destroys your board presence.
Anyway thanks again and also for knowing/seeing the weapon removal I'll probably do that.
What I did think of is that the only really important card that rotates out of this deck is drakanoid operative and if in the next expansion there is one good dragon to replace it the deck might be good enough than as well.
At ysera. Yes it's mostly a death card, especially in faster games. However it's a great cards in slower matches when you need an value creation card. It has provided a couple of wins when i would otherwise have lost
Wouldn't Netherspite Historian kind of give you the best of both worlds? It gives you early board presence and a shot at another Duskbreaker in fast games, and in slower games where you need value you can pick up a big ol' dragon from it (possibly even Ysera!).
Hello everybody,
I created the following deck and found out it had a lot in common with a spitefull priest deck, but I did have some changes. Most importantly I use keleseth instead of historians and shadow ascendents and I don't use the 8 mana spell. It seems to work good (well I made rank 10 right now, just not much time to play). Some more details are in the deck description. It seems that with the deck I still have a fighting chance against agro (bit draw dependant though). Also it seems to do fairly well vs mage and it wrecks most "other" control decks.
I also have the feeling that it's favourable vs the "netdeck" spitefull priest, but ofcourse that can just seem that way because of low rank and small sample size.
Anyway what do you think? See any improvements or do you have any suggestions? Please let me know.
Thanks a lot for your comment and reply! Really appreciate it.
I know the version of spiteful priest with the 8 mana spell (also wrote something about it in my deck description). However when you draw that spell doesn't do much differently than dropping a good 8 or 9 drop (The 8 and 9 drop dragon in my list). The random factor makes it worse than a fixed drop I think.
Pysic scream in this deck is added either when you really need an "out" vs agro (and you lived till that turn) or vs cubelock. Also 2 spells would probably not be enough for the summoners.
With regards to keleseth and zola (vs shadow ascendents). I play keleseth as soon as I get him and can play him. If I can copy him with zola it's great but even without a second one he gives a great advantage over your opponent because he boosts all your remaining minions. The shadow ascendents are dependent on your bord and dropping them alone is bad. Next to that they can be killed by most decks easily so having more than one/two boosts is not happening fast. Zola can copy a lot of great battlecry minions. I have has a 3rd spiteful summoner a couple of times and it gives you such an extra amount of power. But even another tar creeper (vs agro) or duskbreaker can be great.
With regards to the shroom brewer. This was more or less a test from me (originally had 2) to see how good healing is in this deck. I liked it better than the 3/3 healing 3 cause it doesn't die to the 3 mana warlock aoe. The healing itself is pretty need. I seem to either get some additional card draw (paired with cleric) or one of my minions is able to survive. But even now I'm also still evaluating it to see if it will remain.
Anyway if i make any changes I'll post them here as well together with the reasoning so others can also learn from it.
also the main problem 7 drop minions SUCK hard ass from spiteful, most of the 10 drops also, you really need free from amber(tirion dum dum)
yeah i think the keleseth build of this deck has taken a hit since the patches nerf. if you're not running captains and patches, you're probably better off running netherspite historian and shadow ascendent. i would definitley ditch psychic scream for 2x amber. it's just better. 8 drops are the best drops in the game, and if you're playing a last ditch board clear against aggro on 7, you've probably already lost. if you realllly dont' wanna run amber and realllly want a board clear, the poster above's suggestion of dragonfire potion is probably better than scream (6 drops might better on the whole than 7). shroom brewer seems pretty bad here, as is crystalline oracle (firefly is probably better as 1 drop, even). doubling up on twilight acolyte and cabal shadow priest might be worthwhile for the warlock matchup. 2x twilight drake is also needed. bookworm is good to combat doomsayer/nova.
Ok so others have pointed out the bad card like the shroom bro so I won't go into that, but I do want to explain you why the Keleseth and Psychic Scream choices are actually bad for your deck... First of all, Keleseth is an amazing card, giving all your minions a +1/+1 can win games on its own but the fact that you have to not run historians in order to play him is not good, it was a solid option before cause ou could run captains and patches and get a 3/3 with charge on turn 3 so basically it was a 6/6 deal 3 dmg for just 3 mana but now patches is not that good which means keleseth is not better than historian, that card generates amazing value, it can work as a dragon activator as it generates a second dragon, you want to either get drakonoid OPs oncontrol match-ups or Duskbreaker vs aggro so that's something you really don't want to sacrifice just to have the chance of playing a keleseth on curve.
Psychic scream is also great but there are 2 big problems, first of all this type of decks are basically tempo decks, which means they have a strong minion base that it uses to gain control of the board and then push big amounts of damage to the face and psychic scream is the opposite, you forfeit all tempo and use all your turn to remove the opponents board but you still didn't develop anything, and after playing this deck a while (and other tempo decks) you'll realize that once you lose control of the board there's almost no way to get it back so running psychic scream is bad as it'll be either a deck card in your hand cause you have control of the board and you don't need it or it won't do anything as even if you clear the board there's almost no chance to take it back. Also 7 drops suck, just now I can think of 2 really terrible ones, Lynessa and the new vanguard dude that recruits an 8 drop, the reason you run free from amber is that 8 drops are very solid, almost all of them are at worse solid but a 6 mana 5/5 doesn't sound as good + even if you draw both FFA you can still get a huge body (of your choice) for the 8 mana, the scream does nothing in this type of deck.
Well again (and again and again) thanks for all of the advice. I'm modifying the deck now so the psysic scream and the brewer are gone and for them I included 2x free from amber in their place.
Only played one game and I won but in this case not because of the summoner ( pulled all my spells in the first 8 turns or something without a summoner in sight. Will let everybody know how it goes further.
One remark/question I have for mackie. You mentioned the historians work as a dragon activator. But it costs me two deck slots. If I fill these 2 slots with dragons that boils down to the same right? And I don't have to spend 2 mana to activate them. I totally agree they are good value but I don't like the random aspect to much and (as mentioned before) i feel the deck has more than enough value in it anyway.
With regards to your remark about getting additional drakanoid ops and duskbreaker: that's what I gace zola for in this deck and the additional card from drakanoid is less necessary because of the crystaline oracle.
Anyway that's my reasoning, it might be totally rubbish but so far the deck is doing nicely. As mentioned it might perform better with the changes everybody mentioned but for now I'll keep keleseth and zola in (probably until I'm not able to climb (fast enough) anymore).
netherspite is a much better card for this deck than either zola or crystalline. discovering a dragon is generally way better for your deck than a random opponent card, and better than just including more dragons because you can fill out your curve or grab matchup appropriate cards. zola is great if you hit the t3 keleseth dream, but is bad tempo in general and requires you to have a board to get any use out of it. you're better off discovering that extra drakonid via netherspite than hoping you can land the zola on one. seriously, it's worth trying out.
also while shadow ascendant isn't as powerful as keleseth overall, the snowball effect and quicker board impact can actually be more advantageous than keleseth's buffs at times. it's also a better mid-late game top deck if you've got any board at all.
in general, keleseth only really shines when you have the draw to take advantage of it. if you really want to run keleseth i'd be tempted to run captains and patches, even post nerf.
Well my current decklist still doesn't run the historian and the shadow ascendents but 2 days ago I made r5 already (quicker than anything else) I'm not sure if it's because i got lucky, or if the deck is actually pretty good without the historians and the shadow ascendants. The deck I currently used (partly based on all your feedback):
Lets compare with normal spitefull
I think Ysera is a dead weight in the deck also I don't think keleseth buff worth to remove two drops from the deck also Keleseth is good when you buff minions at early game but late game it already turns into a big fight with big minions
Thanks a lot for testing the deck on your side as well! Good to see you got some wins (although not because of this version of the deck) if you indeed face a lot of weapon (rogue and warlock) please remove one of the silences and put in a weapon tech. Spell breaker is probably best to keep because of the 4 mana. The 2 silences came in useful because I faced a lot of warlock, but for other decks they are suboptimal.
I also liked physic scream in the deck before but it seemed almost always a death card and it pulled bad minions most of the times (saw the 1/1 paladin legend quite a lot, just bad luck I know). If you now encounter a lot of paladins I can imagine it's good to run, although it destroys your board presence.
Anyway thanks again and also for knowing/seeing the weapon removal I'll probably do that.
What I did think of is that the only really important card that rotates out of this deck is drakanoid operative and if in the next expansion there is one good dragon to replace it the deck might be good enough than as well.
Anyway thanks again! Great you put in the effort!
Wouldn't Netherspite Historian kind of give you the best of both worlds? It gives you early board presence and a shot at another Duskbreaker in fast games, and in slower games where you need value you can pick up a big ol' dragon from it (possibly even Ysera!).