Will be curious what you plan on doing with your deck idea now that Bone Drake got revealed a few days ago. That card looks incredible and I can't wait to run Dragon Paladin again :)
Awesome! I will definitely be trying something similar. Been awhile since I tried doing Dragon Paladin in standard since BRM rotated out. I am sure it will do good in Wild as well!
No Equality, no Consecration, no Pyro... not sure how good this can be because there will be always some sort of aggro/ramp decks. I think atleast Consecration has to be run in your deck + some other changes which are necessary in my opinion
-2 Tar Creeper -1 Book Wyrm -2 Cobalt Scalebane -1 Arfus
2 Corpsetaker will be baseline in those kind of decks! Why only 1 in your decklist? Arfus is too greedy/slow in my opinion and doesn't fit your dragon deck 1 Book Wyrm is good enough, especially with 2 Netherspite Historian , Bone Drake ( + secrets redemption / get away kodo) Tar Creeper is too bad without element synergies, Stonehill Defender does almost the same job with better chances to get more primoral drakes/tirions/wickerflames/tarim/righteous defender(ye this card is great to slow aggro decks!) etc....
Cobalt Scalebane is an interesting card but I think he needs better targets, more divine/deathrattle orientated decks
Dragon Package with Lifesteal focus. Many huge value cards and enough card draw and early game to keep Tempo.
Oh please, do run Arfus. I hope I don't accidentally potion of madness for a free deathknight. :) Going to have a lot of fun stealing great cards from pally this expansion hehe xd.
Not sure how Nightbane Templar doesn't make the cut in a dragon paly. Doubt that it will be that great anyway, but as long as you have fun it's worth it!
No Equality, no Consecration, no Pyro... not sure how good this can be because there will be always some sort of aggro/ramp decks. I think atleast Consecration has to be run in your deck + some other changes which are necessary in my opinion
-2 Tar Creeper -1 Book Wyrm -2 Cobalt Scalebane -1 Arfus
2 Corpsetaker will be baseline in those kind of decks! Why only 1 in your decklist? Arfus is too greedy/slow in my opinion and doesn't fit your dragon deck 1 Book Wyrm is good enough, especially with 2 Netherspite Historian , Bone Drake ( + secrets redemption / get away kodo) Tar Creeper is too bad without element synergies, Stonehill Defender does almost the same job with better chances to get more primoral drakes/tirions/wickerflames/tarim/righteous defender(ye this card is great to slow aggro decks!) etc....
Cobalt Scalebane is an interesting card but I think he needs better targets, more divine/deathrattle orientated decks
DirtyGoons, Thanks for your comment. You make a lot of good points.
I went ahead and took out Arfus for another Corpsetaker as you suggested. Good idea! The one idea with Arfus is he is a beast so added more synergy to The Curator, but we should have enough drawing engines already.
I don't think Tirion is necessary in this deck, in fact he is less efficient since we have Uther of the Ebon Blade. A lot of times his weapon will be overlapped by the DK Weapon. I subbed out Tirion for The Lich King which is clearly the better card in this deck.
As for Consecration, I don't think it will be as effective in this meta and especially without Equality. We have plenty of healing mechanics, taunts, and basically 3x Wickerflame Burnbristle (Corpsetaker is even better). We also have a good amount of removal with 2x Book Wyrm for smaller minions and 2x Aldor Peacekeeper for bigger threats. One card that could definitely be considered would be The Black Knight depending on how the meta shapes (everyone will be running The Lich King, for example).
If I took out Cobalt Scalebane and a Book Wyrm, there would be too few dragons to reliably proc Netherspire Historian and Book Wyrm. Plus, Cobalt Scalebane, in my opinion, is perfect in this deck with the amount of Divine Shield and Life Steal we have. Book Wyrm is also just an amazing card and a major reason to run Dragons.
Lastly, your point about Stonehill Defender vs Tar Creeper is reasonable. Tar Creeper is the best 3-drop in the game on Turn 3, and surely the best anti-aggro 3-drop. A 3/5 Taunt for your opponent followed by a Truesilver Champion or Chillblade Champion is really good.
I'm not sure if we will need the extra card draw from Stonehill Defender, and both of its favorable discovers (Tirion and Sunkeeper) are less effective than usual in this deck. Still - not a bad idea and it's definitely worth testing the difference between the two. I know Stonehill Defender is a great card and if the meta doesn't call for Tar Creeper to stop early aggression, Stonehill Defender could be the better option.
After thinking about it, I think you are right. Stonehill Defender > Tar Creeper in Paladin. Stonehill is arguably as good of anti aggro tool (high probably of drawing another Wickerflame, etc.) and a much better card against Control. Plus, since we don't run Sunkeeper or Tirion it gives us a high probably of discovering one of those cards.
Thanks again for comment and input! Let me know how the deck goes for you once the expansion is live and we can continue to refine it. I changed Arfus for another Corpsetaker and 2x Tar Creeper for 2x Stonehill Defender
Bone Drake is weak, why would you play that? Its too slow, not even battlecry. All you get is a 6/5 for 6 mana. Maybe 1 at best. Chillblade is really bad, just remove it. Book wyrm is also "meh" maybe just one.
Bone Drake is weak, why would you play that? Its too slow, not even battlecry. All you get is a 6/5 for 6 mana. Maybe 1 at best. Chillblade is really bad, just remove it. Book wyrm is also "meh" maybe just one.
IMO, Bone Drake is great. It provides another drawing engine that Paladin usually lacks and the Dragons you'll get will often be Big ones. In a meta with a fair share of Control, this card is really good. Book Wyrm is a great card, don't underestimate it!
As far as Chillblade Champion... he is a very good card in this deck list. Note the synergy with Blackguard, Cobalt Scalebane, Spikeridged Steed. He can hide behind taunts often as well. Chillblade Champion + Spikeridged Steed is a 5/8 Charge Lifesteal with backup 2/6 Taunt.
As for Consecration, I don't think it will be as effective in this meta and especially without Equality. We have plenty of healing mechanics, taunts, and basically 3x Wickerflame Burnbristle (Corpsetaker is even better). We also have a good amount of removal with 2x Book Wyrm for smaller minions and 2x Aldor Peacekeeper for bigger threats. One card that could definitely be considered would be The Black Knight depending on how the meta shapes (everyone will be running The Lich King, for example).
Ye maybe Corpsetaker is good enough to compensate the lack of aoe but if you draw your Wickerflame on turn 1-3 or any time befor you can play Corsetaker.. they won't have divine shield. That is in my opinion the reason to maybe include Tirion because he has divine shield + taunt and you don't want/have to draw him early to get benefits from those attributes.
I still disagree on Tar Creeper :) . He is a good taunt minion vs some kind of aggro decks but without support he is not good enough to control the board because he only is good during your opponent turn where he dictates the trades or uses spells. that is still my biggest concern... you might think ur cards are good enough to hold off the early pressure but netherspite historian/hydrologist/tar creeper are not good enough to stop swarming/buffing aggro decks and book wyrm costs 6 mana which is a long time to kill only 1 of the threats.
about your fear of not enough dragons for netherspite historian. older draogn (pala) decks used twilight drake, azure drake, dragon consort, twilight guardian and blackwing technician.. all those cards are between 3 and 5 mana and therfor it was important to have a 2nd dragon card during the early turns. with your deck it is more important to have dragon cards during turn 6+ because in my opinion u don't need the netherspite on turn2 because most dragons are too expensive/bad to play them on the following turns (3,4,5). drawing 6 cards+ until you need a second dragon in your hand is most likely achievable with lesser dragons.
in the end I am only speculating that the meta will still have some kind of very agressive ramp/buff decks and I am not sure how relying on 1 taunt minion each turn until turn5+ is good enough to stop the pressure. opponents will use spells/silence/black knights to break the control meta.. atleast during the early days but maybe corpsetaker is the answer to my fears and thefor it is good that you now run 2 of them :)
As for Consecration, I don't think it will be as effective in this meta and especially without Equality. We have plenty of healing mechanics, taunts, and basically 3x Wickerflame Burnbristle (Corpsetaker is even better). We also have a good amount of removal with 2x Book Wyrm for smaller minions and 2x Aldor Peacekeeper for bigger threats. One card that could definitely be considered would be The Black Knight depending on how the meta shapes (everyone will be running The Lich King, for example).
Ye maybe Corpsetaker is good enough to compensate the lack of aoe but if you draw your Wickerflame on turn 1-3 or any time befor you can play Corsetaker.. they won't have divine shield. That is in my opinion the reason to maybe include Tirion because he has divine shield + taunt and you don't want/have to draw him early to get benefits from those attributes.
I still disagree on Tar Creeper :) . He is a good taunt minion vs some kind of aggro decks but without support he is not good enough to control the board because he only is good during your opponent turn where he dictates the trades or uses spells. that is still my biggest concern... you might think ur cards are good enough to hold off the early pressure but netherspite historian/hydrologist/tar creeper are not good enough to stop swarming/buffing aggro decks and book wyrm costs 6 mana which is a long time to kill only 1 of the threats.
about your fear of not enough dragons for netherspite historian. older draogn (pala) decks used twilight drake, azure drake, dragon consort, twilight guardian and blackwing technician.. all those cards are between 3 and 5 mana and therfor it was important to have a 2nd dragon card during the early turns. with your deck it is more important to have dragon cards during turn 6+ because in my opinion u don't need the netherspite on turn2 because most dragons are too expensive/bad to play them on the following turns (3,4,5). drawing 6 cards+ until you need a second dragon in your hand is most likely achievable with lesser dragons.
in the end I am only speculating that the meta will still have some kind of very agressive ramp/buff decks and I am not sure how relying on 1 taunt minion each turn until turn5+ is good enough to stop the pressure. opponents will use spells/silence/black knights to break the control meta.. atleast during the early days but maybe corpsetaker is the answer to my fears and thefor it is good that you now run 2 of them :)
Ah, yes, I was counting on Tirion Fordring for another Divine Shield to help Corpsetaker... might have to work him back in.
I think you're right on Stonehill Defender vs Tar Creeper. I've made that change also. Thanks for your input.
This is the worst deck i ever seen woaw, how can you succeed to do that ?
Well i might have an idea, you saw so some cool cards and say to yourself "hey put all the greedy shit in my deck, it's gonna work somehow"
But it's like you dont even played last season or the game in general. Because this is the worst manacurve possible lmao.
First step to start deckbuilding a greedy paladin control list is :
- 2x Equality
- 2x Consecration
-2x Doomsayer
-2x Pyromancer
-2x Aldor Peacekeeper
- at least 1x Kodo
-& 1 Forbidden Healing because you wont get killed by some shennanigans when you finnaly get the board
Then you can start deckbuilding and think
Cobalt Scalebound isnt a bad card, but it's not good either in your list because you wont get the board in early game, you probably use your minion to trade and Corpsetaker will likely be dead by turn it can be buffed.
you have way too much 6 drop, you cant afford playing 2x Book Wyrm and what is the creature you want to target at turn 6 with that ? It can be a useful dragon to get with discover but it's a no no
2x Bone Dragon no way lol, it's value for sure but you cant have that many 6 drop
2x Chill Blade Champion ? lmao, no. Not only this card is bad, but you have allready to many 4 drops
you can consider Happy Ghoul, that shit is good with you lifesteal corpsetaker/Wickerflame/Uther DK/fobidden healing/truesilver to get back the board
Thanks for your not-so-constructive comment. I actually took Dragon Paladin to Legend in Standard before in a meta full of Reno and Pirate Warrior.
I will have to see how 2x Book Wyrm and 2x Bone Dragon fare. Both of those cards are great. Book Wyrm will have plenty of targets on Turn 6 still. Notice its 3 attack or less, Kodo is only 2 attack or less.
Chillblade Champion has synergy with this deck. It gives Corpsetaker Lifesteal, it has synergy with Blackguard. It is a good tool against Aggro and also has great synergy with Spikeridged Steed. I think you need to consider these points before making your judgement.
Out of your comment, I could consider removing 1x Scalebane and 1x Bone Wyrm for more early game plays/AoE/Equality. I will tinker with the list.
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Hey guys,
EDIT: Brand new Dragon Paladin (Standard). I took out Arfus for another Corpsetaker. Also replaced 2x Tar Creeper with 2x Stonehill Defender.
It looks really good, can't wait to play it! What do you think?
http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/877752-kotft-standard-dragon-paladin
Dragon Package with Lifesteal focus. Many huge value cards and enough card draw and early game to keep Tempo.
Hi fellow paladin enthusiast ifound a pretty interesting dragon build in standard, check it out:
www.hearthpwn.com/decks/862354-murloc-dragon-paladin
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Will be curious what you plan on doing with your deck idea now that Bone Drake got revealed a few days ago. That card looks incredible and I can't wait to run Dragon Paladin again :)
Hey Zephrrdragon,
Thanks for your comment. I have actually revamped Dragon Paladin completely with the new cards. And this is a Standard version!
http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/877752-kofft-standard-dragon-paladin
No Equality, no Consecration, no Pyro... not sure how good this can be because there will be always some sort of aggro/ramp decks. I think atleast Consecration has to be run in your deck + some other changes which are necessary in my opinion
-2 Tar Creeper
-1 Book Wyrm
-2 Cobalt Scalebane
-1 Arfus
+1 Corpsetaker
+1 Tirion
+2 Stonehill Defender
+2 Consecration
2 Corpsetaker will be baseline in those kind of decks! Why only 1 in your decklist?
Arfus is too greedy/slow in my opinion and doesn't fit your dragon deck
1 Book Wyrm is good enough, especially with 2 Netherspite Historian , Bone Drake ( + secrets redemption / get away kodo)
Tar Creeper is too bad without element synergies, Stonehill Defender does almost the same job with better chances to get more primoral drakes/tirions/wickerflames/tarim/righteous defender(ye this card is great to slow aggro decks!) etc....
Cobalt Scalebane is an interesting card but I think he needs better targets, more divine/deathrattle orientated decks
I eat Kingsbane rogues for breakfast.
Where N'zoth? He is to good with Bone drake and Tirion ofc.
Not sure how Nightbane Templar doesn't make the cut in a dragon paly. Doubt that it will be that great anyway, but as long as you have fun it's worth it!
Tar Creeper is a better card compared to Nightbane Templar. If you wanted to include Templar I would lower the curve and also include Blessing of Kings and probably Sunkeeper Tarim also.
Lastly, your point about Stonehill Defender vs Tar Creeper is reasonable. Tar Creeper is the best 3-drop in the game on Turn 3, and surely the best anti-aggro 3-drop. A 3/5 Taunt for your opponent followed by a Truesilver Champion or Chillblade Champion is really good.I'm not sure if we will need the extra card draw from Stonehill Defender, and both of its favorable discovers (Tirion and Sunkeeper) are less effective than usual in this deck. Still - not a bad idea and it's definitely worth testing the difference between the two. I know Stonehill Defender is a great card and if the meta doesn't call for Tar Creeper to stop early aggression, Stonehill Defender could be the better option.Not greedy enough. I'm playing N'Zoth in this bitch.
Bone Drake is weak, why would you play that? Its too slow, not even battlecry. All you get is a 6/5 for 6 mana. Maybe 1 at best. Chillblade is really bad, just remove it. Book wyrm is also "meh" maybe just one.
I eat Kingsbane rogues for breakfast.
No early game, no board wipes or aoe... you're gonna get cremated by control priests who have a 1 2 3 drop... not to mention aggro decks.
why curator though?