Somehow, in standard, there is always a tier 1 Face Hunter deck. Every meta. And if there isn't, there will be once balance changes hit and clear the way for hunter to go unchecked.
Blizz clearly has a favorite class and it's the "our spells have no drawbacks, our hero power has no drawback, and everything that should counter us doesn't" hunter.
Are you really complaining that hunter, a class defined by going face, usually has a viable aggro deck? And this complaint comes now of all times when face hunter is tier 3 at best?
A lot of things wrong in one single thread. Let me open my dismantling box.
Somehow, in standard, there is always a tier 1 Face Hunter deck. Every meta.
False. Hunter has suffered during many various expansions, and there is no face hunter deck in the first 4 tiers, according to Diamond+Legend HSreplay data. That means if there is face hunter, it has about 1 in 3 winrate. Which means most people won't play this deck, which means that most likely you lost to two of them and decided to make a thread about it.
And if there isn't, there will be once balance changes hit and clear the way for hunter to go unchecked.
This is also false. There is no evidence in past balance changes to suggest the devs are doing their best to make way for face hunter to be tier 1.
Blizz clearly has a favorite class and it's the "our spells have no drawbacks, our hero power has no drawback, and everything that should counter us doesn't" hunter.
I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you are either new to the game, uninformed, or lacking understanding in what "face hunter" means. Face hunter is a rush/aggro/beatdown deck (pick your nomenclature), focused on killing you fast with efficient, overwhelming early game plays and a finishing burst by turns 5-7.
You probably complain about quest hunter here, which indeed is a top performing archetype sitting at the top of tier 2. It's not a face deck, and there are ways to play around their spells with "no drawbacks". That deck has very few minions and if you try to overwhelm the board, they will have to focus all their burn into removing your board. Of course, a lot of decks have problems sticking a board into them. But playing passively is also a surefire way to lose. If you face a lot of Quest Hunters, try changing into a deck that has better matchup into it. Midrange decks with divine shield? Aggressive decks that outdamage the hunter? There are ways to beat it and if you don't know how, play it yourself and discover what you lose to.
I'm sick of it. I've always been sick of it.
Yes this belongs in the salt thread. Fuck off.
An idea thrown around a lot, but if you don't enjoy the meta, who forces you to play? You can either completely give up on caring about your rank and insta concede to every hunter you see, you can stomach it and try to find solutions instead of crying about problems.
This could have been a thread asking for ways or ideas to beat hunter. But it's venting, and yes it belongs to the salt thread. Need a link?
And if there isn't, there will be once balance changes hit and clear the way for hunter to go unchecked.
This shows the lack of understanding on how deck types work. Go read the classic "Who's the beatdown?" article while you cool down.
It's not Blizzard making changes so that Hunter or other aggro decks can shine and be T1 - it's the nature of the game that control decks take longer to refine precisely because they are reactive and need to figure out what works against the new meta.
An aggro deck doesn't care. It will just throw out threats and hope those stick long enough to win the game. Hunter is great because the hero power works in favour. Zoo Warlock was great because the HP kept the threats going. Pirate Warrior and Naga DH have enough draw to achieve the same. Etc.
A control deck needs to find the balance of right cards to deal with wave after wave. That's why Control Warrior works in the current meta.
Somehow, in standard, there is always a tier 1 Face Hunter deck. Every meta. And if there isn't, there will be once balance changes hit and clear the way for hunter to go unchecked.
Blizz clearly has a favorite class and it's the "our spells have no drawbacks, our hero power has no drawback, and everything that should counter us doesn't" hunter.
I'm sick of it. I've always been sick of it.
Yes this belongs in the salt thread. Fuck off.
First of all I have to admit that I have been salty about hunter myself. And yes, the heropower feels oppressive at times. BUT: Aggressive strategies are always favoured in hearthstone. That is how the game is designed.
This leads to shorter games, cheaper decks and more accessibility, to make hearthstone appealing to a large audiance. Either accept his core concept of the game or quit right away, because this concept will almost definitely never change.
Furthermore face hunter decks are only 6,8% of played hunter decks atm. So according to statistics you can´t run into face hunter that often, because quest hunter is the superior deck by far. Hence face hunter has a 48,47% winrate and is a tier 3 deck and not tier 1. Reference: https://hsreplay.net/meta/
My own stats reflect that: I am sitting on a 66% winrate with ctrl warrior against hunter (only quest hunter) up to super low legend. By switching to ctrl warrior from whatever deck you are playing atm you could lose against decks you beat easily with your current deck. The rock, paper, scissor concept is core in TCG in general. Another concept you have to accept, if you wanna play these games: aggro beats midrange beats control beats aggro. Reference: https://hearthstone.fandom.com/wiki/Deck_type#Rock.2C_paper.2C_scissors
Somehow, in standard, there is always a tier 1 Face Hunter deck.
Every meta.
And if there isn't, there will be once balance changes hit and clear the way for hunter to go unchecked.
Blizz clearly has a favorite class and it's the "our spells have no drawbacks, our hero power has no drawback, and everything that should counter us doesn't" hunter.
I'm sick of it.
I've always been sick of it.
Yes this belongs in the salt thread. Fuck off.
Not even close. However there is a dude like you every meta complaining about exaggerated or straight up false things.
Didn't read the rest of your post, not worth it.
Are you really complaining that hunter, a class defined by going face, usually has a viable aggro deck? And this complaint comes now of all times when face hunter is tier 3 at best?
Trampling Rhino is not amused
"Woow..."
A lot of things wrong in one single thread. Let me open my dismantling box.
False. Hunter has suffered during many various expansions, and there is no face hunter deck in the first 4 tiers, according to Diamond+Legend HSreplay data. That means if there is face hunter, it has about 1 in 3 winrate. Which means most people won't play this deck, which means that most likely you lost to two of them and decided to make a thread about it.
This is also false. There is no evidence in past balance changes to suggest the devs are doing their best to make way for face hunter to be tier 1.
I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you are either new to the game, uninformed, or lacking understanding in what "face hunter" means. Face hunter is a rush/aggro/beatdown deck (pick your nomenclature), focused on killing you fast with efficient, overwhelming early game plays and a finishing burst by turns 5-7.
You probably complain about quest hunter here, which indeed is a top performing archetype sitting at the top of tier 2. It's not a face deck, and there are ways to play around their spells with "no drawbacks". That deck has very few minions and if you try to overwhelm the board, they will have to focus all their burn into removing your board. Of course, a lot of decks have problems sticking a board into them. But playing passively is also a surefire way to lose. If you face a lot of Quest Hunters, try changing into a deck that has better matchup into it. Midrange decks with divine shield? Aggressive decks that outdamage the hunter? There are ways to beat it and if you don't know how, play it yourself and discover what you lose to.
An idea thrown around a lot, but if you don't enjoy the meta, who forces you to play? You can either completely give up on caring about your rank and insta concede to every hunter you see, you can stomach it and try to find solutions instead of crying about problems.
This could have been a thread asking for ways or ideas to beat hunter. But it's venting, and yes it belongs to the salt thread. Need a link?
This shows the lack of understanding on how deck types work. Go read the classic "Who's the beatdown?" article while you cool down.
It's not Blizzard making changes so that Hunter or other aggro decks can shine and be T1 - it's the nature of the game that control decks take longer to refine precisely because they are reactive and need to figure out what works against the new meta.
An aggro deck doesn't care. It will just throw out threats and hope those stick long enough to win the game. Hunter is great because the hero power works in favour. Zoo Warlock was great because the HP kept the threats going. Pirate Warrior and Naga DH have enough draw to achieve the same. Etc.
A control deck needs to find the balance of right cards to deal with wave after wave. That's why Control Warrior works in the current meta.
For such a pure salt post I'm amazed by all the good answers. Really! Shoulder pad yourselves.
My question is why people call every hunter deck "face hunter" by default?
Whether it's classic midrange , aggro-beast, quest or whatever that isn't big beasts winning on turn 9+ is somehow a face deck....
You so lazy!!! :) his post isn’t even that long!!
First of all I have to admit that I have been salty about hunter myself. And yes, the heropower feels oppressive at times. BUT: Aggressive strategies are always favoured in hearthstone. That is how the game is designed.
This leads to shorter games, cheaper decks and more accessibility, to make hearthstone appealing to a large audiance. Either accept his core concept of the game or quit right away, because this concept will almost definitely never change.
Being a ctrl player by heart I can tell you that ctrl warrior beats hunter easily atm. According to hsreplay ctrl warrior has a 68,7% winrate against facehunter. Reference: https://hsreplay.net/archetypes/2/control-warrior#tab=matchups
Furthermore face hunter decks are only 6,8% of played hunter decks atm. So according to statistics you can´t run into face hunter that often, because quest hunter is the superior deck by far. Hence face hunter has a 48,47% winrate and is a tier 3 deck and not tier 1. Reference: https://hsreplay.net/meta/
My own stats reflect that: I am sitting on a 66% winrate with ctrl warrior against hunter (only quest hunter) up to super low legend. By switching to ctrl warrior from whatever deck you are playing atm you could lose against decks you beat easily with your current deck. The rock, paper, scissor concept is core in TCG in general. Another concept you have to accept, if you wanna play these games: aggro beats midrange beats control beats aggro. Reference: https://hearthstone.fandom.com/wiki/Deck_type#Rock.2C_paper.2C_scissors
Don´t give in to anger – adjust!
Well hunter can't play the control game, so aggro it is.
So i don't blame them.
This new Quest Hunter is stronger than Raza Priest ( before Raza's nerf ) and everybody is:
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :X
Priest can't even play the control game, they had to push for Aggro Shadow Priest...