This deck does NOT win the meta, Pirate Warrior with medicore hand still beats the living hell out of it, but it's certainly fun to play. Kudos for including and making use of Starving Buzzard, it actually works sometimes.
I added a few "personal taste" things like King Krush, feeling like in the good ole' days when Midrange Hunter could get a Legend.
Do what you want lol, it doesn't crush the meta and its not supposed to. It just has really good match ups so as long as you don't run into priest 10 games in a row or pirate warrior in general, you'll often move up in the ranks very quick. Plus games are usually only 6-7 minutes long at most.
Problem with me is I am a new player so I can't even make a meta deck if I wanted to so I just try to make hunter as viable as I can since I have the most cards for it.
Can I only get Cloaked Huntress by spending money on the adventure? Sigh, I do think so. Seems like such a great card, seriously.
Once the Karazhan expansion rotates to wild at the end of the year you can craft it like any other wild adventure card. Or you can save gold and purchase the adventure wing it belongs to, which just so happens to be the reward for finishing the first wing.
This deck does NOT win the meta, Pirate Warrior with medicore hand still beats the living hell out of it, but it's certainly fun to play. Kudos for including and making use of Starving Buzzard, it actually works sometimes.
I added a few "personal taste" things like King Krush, feeling like in the good ole' days when Midrange Hunter could get a Legend.
Do what you want lol, it doesn't crush the meta and its not supposed to. It just has really good match ups so as long as you don't run into priest 10 games in a row or pirate warrior in general, you'll often move up in the ranks very quick. Plus games are usually only 6-7 minutes long at most.
My bad for wording it in a bad way. I absolutely love this deck and the fact that it reintroduces Buzzard in a way that it actually works. Right now my variation of this (mixed in Huhuran and Krush) is my favourite deck in HS. Pointing out that it doesn't beat shit like Aggro Warrior is more of a complain against current meta than this deck. Sadly right now almost any midrange deck (perhaps bar Jade Shaman) tends to get wrecked by Warrior.
Don't listen to the haters, Buzzard is the shit. Sure it's overcosted and understatted but for Hunter to not be top decking after turn 6 is a big deal. Play what you want man, just keep refining it to beat the meta. I hate Hunter too, last year gave me nightmares, but I'm all for homebrew deck building.
Hunter has always been viable, it has only had poor matchups as midrange is generally weak against aggro, especially pirates. Winning a few games with a worse version of secret hunter does not mean you have "broken the meta".
Snake trap was basically becoming a lot more relevant than bear trap and most people were trading instead of going face so Bear trap was usually not stopping much unless i was fighting aggro
I took out 1 animal companion to add an extra snipe since i keep seeing shaman and druid which tend to lose a lot of tempo when their golem and azure drakes die on curve.
As of right now, I'm trying to figure out how to make the pirate warrior matchup a bit better. Currently the best chance i have is huntress turn 2 with coin and loading up as many secrets as possible. But relying on that isn't really that good...
The deck runs still very smooth, the only clunkyness comes from hard drawing all of my 5 mana + cards which has happened but its not dismal.
What about Curator, Azure Drakes, and possibly fin?
Fin has no synergy with the deck. Azure only would affect snipes and kill command so its really not that effective, not to mention a bad barnes pull. Curator himself is unnecessary because you play the buzzards and would have to remake the deck into a menagerie deck which isn't a bad idea but still is lacking draw which is hunters current issue which i mostly solved with alley cat/buzzard combo
Paying 5 mana for a 3/2 minion , which gives you the opportunity to maybe draw a card. why not azure drake instead? It guaranteeds you card draw, it's the same mana cost and gets you a 4/4 on the board. MUCH better.
And why do you have snake trap? The meta is full of pirate warrior which never trades. And when you're not playing against pirate warrior. You're playing against decks that has a lot of AoE and weapon removal.
Why Alleycat when you have Barnes? If you wanna make a deathrattle hunter, switch to wild. Add N'zoth and sylvanas and some taunt to make it viable.
When you're making a deck, you have to make it so good that it counters other decks. Not the other way around. This deck has useless secrets, no taunt or heal, and is way to slow.
Not to be rude or anything, but this deck just isn't good enough.
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Everything that isn't about elephants is irrelephant.
Paying 5 mana for a 3/2 minion , which gives you the opportunity to maybe draw a card. why not azure drake instead? It guaranteeds you card draw, it's the same mana cost and gets you a 4/4 on the board. MUCH better.
And why do you have snake trap? The meta is full of pirate warrior which never trades. And when you're not playing against pirate warrior. You're playing against decks that has a lot of AoE and weapon removal.
Why Alleycat when you have Barnes? If you wanna make a deathrattle hunter, switch to wild. Add N'zoth and sylvanas and some taunt to make it viable.
When you're making a deck, you have to make it so good that it counters other decks. Not the other way around. This deck has useless secrets, no taunt or heal, and is way to slow.
Not to be rude or anything, but this deck just isn't good enough.
You really lack the understanding of a deck that has synergy within itself. Every piece of the deck is thought out to impact another piece of the deck. It's like a rubix cube which 99% of hearthstone players just can't fathom where to start so they netdeck.
you do not oncurve a starving buzzard on turn 5 unless it's against a deck which only can remove it by attacking it and not using a spell while you have snake trap active.
^ this is to debunk the ridiculous notion that you just play it as a 5 mana 3/2
Next, your turn 6 or 7 is where buzzard is most useful. You play buzzard WITH**** the alley cat to draw 2, its a 6 mana draw two play a 3/2 and 2 1/1s. thats a two card 6 mana combo for a draw two and tempo. ancient of lore was a 7 mana draw two 5/5 single body which in comparison to this is a lot worse because A. You can get the cards earlier on with buzzard/alleycat, and B ancient of lore didn't warrant automatic removal like buzzard meaning they will have to sacrifice turn 6-7 tempo to handle buzzard or be punished.
Continuing, currently the Fight Promoter is the best thing you can compare buzzard/alley cat combo to. Fight promoter also requires generally two cards or buffs before hand. in this case, the two cards can be played together AND has +1 stat more than fight promoter and the stats are split between 3 cards, one being priority removal unlike a 4/4 fight promoter
Furthermore, if snake trap goess off with buzzard on the field, you basically nurish for near nothing which in this deck, giving hunter Tempo AND 3 cards (+ your draw for turn card) generally means you will be able to plug more secrets down and or find your kill commands faster
Now lets continue to why snake trap. The pirate meta has died down CONSIDERABLY, Jade druid is now the second most popular deck. Now tell me, what beats jade druid? Oh, strong on curve aggressive decks, like maybe, idk, hunter? Snake trap has all of the synergy with buzzard as explained before and also offers decent tempo with huntress if anything attacks her head on which most decks do to try and quickly remove her. Therefore, you can punish them with more tempo. Tempo and potential draw, there is no reason you shouldn't be playing this card. And if you use pirate warrior as the "STANDARD TO BEAT" then you're wrong. Pirate warrior is played 10-12% of the time on ladder currently. What about the other 85%+ decks, if this deck easily and soundly beats those decks, its called Rock Paper Scissors. You get pirate warrior you lose, you get any other deck you win. its pretty simple math. You'll generally go up in ladder if your win rate is about 60%
Why do i play alleycat with barnes? you should use your simple math skills to determine that you're going to pull alleycat at such a low rate most of the time that its inclusion doesn't matter. You're actually supposed to hold a buzzard and alley cat in your hand if you're going second against a non aggro deck just to make sure you don't barnes into it and have draws later on. Its simple understanding of how to stack your deck in a way that your barnes will only pull something decent. alley cat also turns into a 4 dmg reach with tundra which is actually really not bad counting that this meta needs every bit of reach to deal with renodecks.
P.S. as to your, if you want to make a deathrattle hunter switch to WILD comment. Its not a deathrattle hunter deck. There is no n'zoth, there is no tag saying its a deathrattle hunter. You're just completely wrong and quite foolish now.... Its a midrange hunter deck. Tell me please what midrange decks do? They play on curve with high value minions as they try and over power other slower decks. MIDRANGE!!!! This is a Midrange Beast Hunter deck with sticky minions... this is not a "deathrattle hunter" Thank you, but you can go back to wild and lose all your matches to egg druid in wild if you so choose :3
"When you're making a deck, you have to make it so good that it counters other decks".... Maybe you should play the damn deck instead of posting like a headless chicken who doesn't understand the meta. After small time bucc nerf, Jade druid is now in full throttle trying to steal games off control decks who are coming back. THIS DECK HARD COUNTERS JADE DRUID a TIER2 AND RANKED #4 Deck. It also counters many other meta decks ESPECIALLY SHAMAN and renolock which are also top tier decks.... PS useless secrets???? Snipe killing azure drake and making a player lose their turn 5 tempo or totem golem getting shot on turn 2 is the most dismal thing that can happen to a tempo deck.
I just don't get why you posted without even knowing what you're talking. Maybe this is why someone like trump got elected since its quite clear people can only fight with factless bias ramblings.
I made my point, trying to shut down this deck because you don't understand it is a joke. If you don't have the cards to play it, don't shit post it and try to act like you weren't being rude
Maybe when you get at least rank 5 you can come back and reiterate the stuff you said because you can make rank 10 even with retarded decks if you play enough.
Maybe when you get at least rank 5 you can come back and reiterate the stuff you said because you can make rank 10 even with retarded decks if you play enough.
I mean, there's a few people i'm collaborating with who have gotten to around rank 6 and 7 with this. Just because I build a deck, doesn't mean I have to be the one to make it go to legend.... I'll just leave that to the people who can play 30 matches a day
Wow. No need to yell. You made a deck, there will be criticism.
Okay, I'll start with this. You made a deck that always thinks what is the best that can happen. The best synergies is starving buzzard followed up with alleycat at turn 6. Good combo indeed. The point I was trying to make with the other post was that you always have to think what's the worst that can happen and make your deck from that. Barnes with rag = Good, barnes with Highmane = good. Barnes with Buzzard = ok - (Because you'll only get synergies with it if you have a beast the same turn, or it will die within the following turn). Barnes with Alleycat = Awful. It doesn't contribute to anything, and it's way to slow, and will most likely lose the game because of it.
Next up. Ancient of Lore was played because Druid had's the ability to ramp up fast, and then draw cards again. At turn 7 Hunter should be at that stage where they are close to finishing up the opponent, not draw cards. If the opponent is pirate warrior, you're dead if you start to pay 6 or 7 mana to draw 3 cards. It the opponent is Reno Mage, Reno lock, or Jade Druid, they either have enough heal, Aoe or board presence that it will be to late.
The reason I recommended Azure drake, is that is doesn't require synergy to be good. Fight promoter requires synergy (and is rarely played), starving buzzard also require synergy. Azure drake (or ancient of lore since you brought it up) doesn't require synergy) and that's because it's so good.
You also said that pirate warrior has died down considerably. No. It has'nt. Out of 30 games yesterday, I played 5 pirate warriors in a row, I met one jade druid, and met more pirate warriors, I then met a reno mage, and met more pirate warriors.
As for your personal attacks regarding my math skills and stupidity, I just want to let you know, I have a full collection, all heroes are golden, multiple legend player (and I have a master's degree in mechanical engineering - my math isn't that bad).
Have I told you about my Silverback Patriarch + Oasis Snapjaw tempo priest deck? I mean there's a few people i'm collaborating with who have gotten to around rank 6 or 7 with it. But just because I built a deck doesn't mean I have to be the one to make it go to legend....I'll just leave that to the people who can play 30 matches a day
Wow. No need to yell. You made a deck, there will be criticism.
Okay, I'll start with this. You made a deck that always thinks what is the best that can happen. The best synergies is starving buzzard followed up with alleycat at turn 6. Good combo indeed. The point I was trying to make with the other post was that you always have to think what's the worst that can happen and make your deck from that. Barnes with rag = Good, barnes with Highmane = good. Barnes with Buzzard = ok - (Because you'll only get synergies with it if you have a beast the same turn, or it will die within the following turn). Barnes with Alleycat = Awful. It doesn't contribute to anything, and it's way to slow, and will most likely lose the game because of it.
Next up. Ancient of Lore was played because Druid had's the ability to ramp up fast, and then draw cards again. At turn 7 Hunter should be at that stage where they are close to finishing up the opponent, not draw cards. If the opponent is pirate warrior, you're dead if you start to pay 6 or 7 mana to draw 3 cards. It the opponent is Reno Mage, Reno lock, or Jade Druid, they either have enough heal, Aoe or board presence that it will be to late.
The reason I recommended Azure drake, is that is doesn't require synergy to be good. Fight promoter requires synergy (and is rarely played), starving buzzard also require synergy. Azure drake (or ancient of lore since you brought it up) doesn't require synergy) and that's because it's so good.
You also said that pirate warrior has died down considerably. No. It has'nt. Out of 30 games yesterday, I played 5 pirate warriors in a row, I met one jade druid, and met more pirate warriors, I then met a reno mage, and met more pirate warriors.
As for your personal attacks regarding my math skills and stupidity, I just want to let you know, I have a full collection, all heroes are golden, multiple legend player (and I have a master's degree in mechanical engineering - my math isn't that bad).
I mean, Is not a point of criticism when you argue my intelligence first. It doesn't take a genius to see your sarcastic remark about "you have to build a deck to counter the meta, not the other way around". Criticisms also usually come after you play a deck not before it. You wouldn't be able to review a restaurant without eating there, otherwise your criticism would be factless and void... oh wait... and You can push Azure drake as much as you want, but its clear that azure drake is only good in decks which can make use of it in more than 1 way. By your standard I should be playing gnomish inventor just because all i'd be using drake for is its draw power. For decks like Druid, Rogue and Mage that play a lot of cheap spells, a card like azure drake really shines. It would be basically a can trip 4/4 in my deck. Btw cute Epeen, I love how you can be mechanical engineer with a masters who legends every season, but can't engineer your own decks(at least says your tiny list of jokes in your profiles deck area).
You're no deck builder, and you're probably not worth a 5 point warning to continue this conversation
I don't think anyone is trying to win the meta or become meta with hunter but simply trying to make it "viable" since it's a fun class.
Problem with me is I am a new player so I can't even make a meta deck if I wanted to so I just try to make hunter as viable as I can since I have the most cards for it.
Can I only get Cloaked Huntress by spending money on the adventure? Sigh, I do think so. Seems like such a great card, seriously.
Thanks for the reply. You think it's worth my saving up the 700 gold for it?
Don't listen to the haters, Buzzard is the shit. Sure it's overcosted and understatted but for Hunter to not be top decking after turn 6 is a big deal. Play what you want man, just keep refining it to beat the meta. I hate Hunter too, last year gave me nightmares, but I'm all for homebrew deck building.
Freezing Trap is really underrated. It won me around 5 or 6 games single-handedly against midrange shaman and aggro warrior. Coupled with Eaglehorn Bow and Barnes into either Savannah Highmane or Ragnaros the Firelord it's usually a concede or a turn 6 win
Hunter has always been viable, it has only had poor matchups as midrange is generally weak against aggro, especially pirates. Winning a few games with a worse version of secret hunter does not mean you have "broken the meta".
New changes to the deck,
Infested wolf was put in over bear trap.
Snake trap was basically becoming a lot more relevant than bear trap and most people were trading instead of going face so Bear trap was usually not stopping much unless i was fighting aggro
I took out 1 animal companion to add an extra snipe since i keep seeing shaman and druid which tend to lose a lot of tempo when their golem and azure drakes die on curve.
As of right now, I'm trying to figure out how to make the pirate warrior matchup a bit better. Currently the best chance i have is huntress turn 2 with coin and loading up as many secrets as possible. But relying on that isn't really that good...
The deck runs still very smooth, the only clunkyness comes from hard drawing all of my 5 mana + cards which has happened but its not dismal.
What about Curator, Azure Drakes, and possibly fin?
Paying 5 mana for a 3/2 minion , which gives you the opportunity to maybe draw a card. why not azure drake instead? It guaranteeds you card draw, it's the same mana cost and gets you a 4/4 on the board. MUCH better.
And why do you have snake trap? The meta is full of pirate warrior which never trades. And when you're not playing against pirate warrior. You're playing against decks that has a lot of AoE and weapon removal.
Why Alleycat when you have Barnes? If you wanna make a deathrattle hunter, switch to wild. Add N'zoth and sylvanas and some taunt to make it viable.
When you're making a deck, you have to make it so good that it counters other decks. Not the other way around. This deck has useless secrets, no taunt or heal, and is way to slow.
Not to be rude or anything, but this deck just isn't good enough.
Everything that isn't about elephants is irrelephant.
Maybe when you get at least rank 5 you can come back and reiterate the stuff you said because you can make rank 10 even with retarded decks if you play enough.
Wow. No need to yell. You made a deck, there will be criticism.
Okay, I'll start with this. You made a deck that always thinks what is the best that can happen. The best synergies is starving buzzard followed up with alleycat at turn 6. Good combo indeed. The point I was trying to make with the other post was that you always have to think what's the worst that can happen and make your deck from that. Barnes with rag = Good, barnes with Highmane = good. Barnes with Buzzard = ok - (Because you'll only get synergies with it if you have a beast the same turn, or it will die within the following turn). Barnes with Alleycat = Awful. It doesn't contribute to anything, and it's way to slow, and will most likely lose the game because of it.
Next up. Ancient of Lore was played because Druid had's the ability to ramp up fast, and then draw cards again. At turn 7 Hunter should be at that stage where they are close to finishing up the opponent, not draw cards. If the opponent is pirate warrior, you're dead if you start to pay 6 or 7 mana to draw 3 cards. It the opponent is Reno Mage, Reno lock, or Jade Druid, they either have enough heal, Aoe or board presence that it will be to late.
The reason I recommended Azure drake, is that is doesn't require synergy to be good. Fight promoter requires synergy (and is rarely played), starving buzzard also require synergy. Azure drake (or ancient of lore since you brought it up) doesn't require synergy) and that's because it's so good.
You also said that pirate warrior has died down considerably. No. It has'nt. Out of 30 games yesterday, I played 5 pirate warriors in a row, I met one jade druid, and met more pirate warriors, I then met a reno mage, and met more pirate warriors.
As for your personal attacks regarding my math skills and stupidity, I just want to let you know, I have a full collection, all heroes are golden, multiple legend player (and I have a master's degree in mechanical engineering - my math isn't that bad).
Everything that isn't about elephants is irrelephant.
Have I told you about my Silverback Patriarch + Oasis Snapjaw tempo priest deck? I mean there's a few people i'm collaborating with who have gotten to around rank 6 or 7 with it. But just because I built a deck doesn't mean I have to be the one to make it go to legend....I'll just leave that to the people who can play 30 matches a day