The little bit I have played it (dragon) has been pretty awesome and powerful. I so far think its best in any weapon class. Shredder is good most of the time, but vs raw power the dragon kills most things up to 6 drops and is an immediate threat that takes resources to handle. i would probably play shredder in decks that need to have sticky creatures and develop around it for combos such as rouge or druid, and dragon in anything that can ignore most little things or deal with them in previous turns through value.
Personally i think the two cards cant really be compared easily because they belong in different decks for different reason.
I'm still rocking Shredder, I feel it has better synergy in a combo deck at least. I'm definitely going to give Hungry another shot, but for now I'm still feeling Shredder
I'm torn right now and will need to test it. I'm not convinced a 4/3 + a random 2 drop is "stickier" than a 5/6. Especially given that the Hungry Dragon can trade up well into the mana curve as others have mentioned. If you silence a Shredder it loses tremendous value, which can't be said of the Dragon obviously. Interesting thoughts so far though!
take the best of one and compare against the worst of another, yeah that makes sense.
You also could get a 0/4 taunt for your opponent or 50 other terrible 1 drops for your opponent with a hungry dragon. just like you could get a lorewalker off a shredder and be like, damn no more spells for me to be casting anytime soon i guess, or even an egg that you cant activate or a doomsayer or manawrathe (sp). If your going to compare the cards you cant look at only one aspect of each card.
one will fit in a deck that can deal with the negatives much better than the other could. Combo is going to be better with shredder because it has to die twice unless silenced, dragon will be better as a card that is a massive threat and can win the game on its own in decks that can answer threats or ignore them all together.
Doomsayer when your winning is the worst though. You cant simply take a couple good aspects and say it is better 100% of the time while ignoring the bad. You mentioned silence a couple times but ignore it because it might not happen, if it gets silenced, well your 4/3 sucks and dies to a ton of things and you lose massive ground. that right there is a massive reason for why it isnt better
Paladin and Warrior are gonna rock Hungry Dragon, simply because you usually have a weapon (more so paladin IMO). Rogue also has access to some early weapon, but the point of rogue is keeping board control, and giving your opponent any thing is simply bad. Rogue has tons of removal, and I tend to think of it as a resource by itself. A limited resource. Wasting that resource on monsters you gave your opponent is a huge minus.
In paladin, I believe Hungry Dragon is better. My favorite plays are Dragon Consort turn 5, into Hungry Dragon + TrueSilver turn 6.
People on this thread are undervaluing Hungry Dragon. In ramp druid it can set up mind control tech nicely. And it trades with Sludge Beltcher which piloted shredder can't do.
Personally I prefer Senjin to Shredder in my combo druid. I know this may seem as a shock to many but suppressing aggro with another taunt has significantly raised my win rate. (I'm rank 3)
I'm torn right now and will need to test it. I'm not convinced a 4/3 + a random 2 drop is "stickier" than a 5/6. Especially given that the Hungry Dragon can trade up well into the mana curve as others have mentioned. If you silence a Shredder it loses tremendous value, which can't be said of the Dragon obviously. Interesting thoughts so far though!
Not quite true. If your opponent silences your shredder, they that means they just spent a card and some mana to deal with it, which means you got value out of it. And also, you still have a 4/3. AND also, if your opponent uses a silence on your Shredder, that's one less silence for your other things, like Sylvanas or Tirion or *insert 6+ mana card here*.
Let the debate begin! Who has swapped out their Shredders for Dragons now?
i am still running shredder, because i need sticky minions in my combo druid, oil rogue and would prefer opponent doesn't have a board.
you should have made this a poll
Shredder. Even in Dragon Paladin, I'm preferring Shredder. This way, my Dragon Consorts can give all their attention to Ysera.
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The little bit I have played it (dragon) has been pretty awesome and powerful. I so far think its best in any weapon class. Shredder is good most of the time, but vs raw power the dragon kills most things up to 6 drops and is an immediate threat that takes resources to handle. i would probably play shredder in decks that need to have sticky creatures and develop around it for combos such as rouge or druid, and dragon in anything that can ignore most little things or deal with them in previous turns through value.
Personally i think the two cards cant really be compared easily because they belong in different decks for different reason.
I'm still rocking Shredder, I feel it has better synergy in a combo deck at least. I'm definitely going to give Hungry another shot, but for now I'm still feeling Shredder
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I'm torn right now and will need to test it. I'm not convinced a 4/3 + a random 2 drop is "stickier" than a 5/6. Especially given that the Hungry Dragon can trade up well into the mana curve as others have mentioned. If you silence a Shredder it loses tremendous value, which can't be said of the Dragon obviously. Interesting thoughts so far though!
take the best of one and compare against the worst of another, yeah that makes sense.
You also could get a 0/4 taunt for your opponent or 50 other terrible 1 drops for your opponent with a hungry dragon. just like you could get a lorewalker off a shredder and be like, damn no more spells for me to be casting anytime soon i guess, or even an egg that you cant activate or a doomsayer or manawrathe (sp). If your going to compare the cards you cant look at only one aspect of each card.
one will fit in a deck that can deal with the negatives much better than the other could. Combo is going to be better with shredder because it has to die twice unless silenced, dragon will be better as a card that is a massive threat and can win the game on its own in decks that can answer threats or ignore them all together.
Doomsayer when your winning is the worst though. You cant simply take a couple good aspects and say it is better 100% of the time while ignoring the bad. You mentioned silence a couple times but ignore it because it might not happen, if it gets silenced, well your 4/3 sucks and dies to a ton of things and you lose massive ground. that right there is a massive reason for why it isnt better
Paladin and Warrior are gonna rock Hungry Dragon, simply because you usually have a weapon (more so paladin IMO). Rogue also has access to some early weapon, but the point of rogue is keeping board control, and giving your opponent any thing is simply bad. Rogue has tons of removal, and I tend to think of it as a resource by itself. A limited resource. Wasting that resource on monsters you gave your opponent is a huge minus.
In paladin, I believe Hungry Dragon is better. My favorite plays are Dragon Consort turn 5, into Hungry Dragon + TrueSilver turn 6.
or
Coin Dragon Consort turn 4, Hungry Dragon + Coghammer turn 5.
Moral of the story, 2 mana 5/6 is broken.
People on this thread are undervaluing Hungry Dragon. In ramp druid it can set up mind control tech nicely. And it trades with Sludge Beltcher which piloted shredder can't do.
Personally I prefer Senjin to Shredder in my combo druid. I know this may seem as a shock to many but suppressing aggro with another taunt has significantly raised my win rate. (I'm rank 3)
Not quite true. If your opponent silences your shredder, they that means they just spent a card and some mana to deal with it, which means you got value out of it. And also, you still have a 4/3. AND also, if your opponent uses a silence on your Shredder, that's one less silence for your other things, like Sylvanas or Tirion or *insert 6+ mana card here*.
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