I wanted to open this thread to discuss some of the less-discussed cards that you believe might be sleepers in this set. Here's what I believe to be currently overlooked:
Showstopper - This card kind of makes me think of Doomsayer. Yeah, it's MUCH easier to kill, but it's a card that makes you think twice before placing cards down. It's good for the early and late game, especially against decks like Libram Paladin and Big Druid. I wouldn't sleep on this at all, even if the effect being a Deathrattle is slow.
Redscale Dragontamer - Good stats that draws you a card is excellent, obviously. Paladin has many good Dragons to tutor. This can be in a Dragon or Highlander Paladin deck (maybe even a Skyfin deck if you're feeling creative).
Cascading Disaster - Control Warlock is nowhere on the map. I think this could bump it up a notch and at least make viable. This very easy to corrupt and is an excellent card to recycle with Y'Shaarj, the Defiler.
showstopper basically alone stops most of priest shit redscale is a 2 mana 2/3 THAT DRAWS A SPECIFIC CARD, no random shit disaster is a 4 mana destroy 2 most of the time, even doing nothing, and in a class where everything destroys everything already, this one's pretty good, considering warriors run a 5 mana brawl just to clear ONE minion
Showstopper isn't Needed to beat wall priest, but it has good stats, so it's not horrible. No one underrates silence, otherwise the damn owl would still cost 2.
Redscale Dragontamer is literally only for the pally murloc deck, well, murloc deck with some pally cards anyway. Since the deck is 5iq, it's not underrated, it's just gross.
Cascading Disaster is easy to double-corrupt, it's not underrated, it's gonna see play in Y'Shaarj control warlock with other corrupt cards.
You want underrated? Look at the 'meta' around the 24th, you'll find the Delinquent, Broom, Tour Guide, etc. commons, Epics on average are horrible imho, but go figure.
Definetly agree about Showstopper, finally decent and more powerful replacement for the dreadful Ironbeak Owl
Showstopper needs to be combo'ed tho, in Control Warrior that would be best suited with Risky Skipper if you play at least one more small minion after it, to kill it and trigger it's Mass Silence. Warrior vs Paladin is quite a frustrating matchup, so maybe that'll help a bit.
N'Zoth, God of the Deep is obviously stupidly underrated, I predict he will be played all the time after the Meta settles, almost like the old one.
I wanted to open this thread to discuss some of the less-discussed cards that you believe might be sleepers in this set. Here's what I believe to be currently overlooked:
Showstopper - This card kind of makes me think of Doomsayer. Yeah, it's MUCH easier to kill, but it's a card that makes you think twice before placing cards down. It's good for the early and late game, especially against decks like Libram Paladin and Big Druid. I wouldn't sleep on this at all, even if the effect being a Deathrattle is slow.
Redscale Dragontamer - Good stats that draws you a card is excellent, obviously. Paladin has many good Dragons to tutor. This can be in a Dragon or Highlander Paladin deck (maybe even a Skyfin deck if you're feeling creative).
Cascading Disaster - Control Warlock is nowhere on the map. I think this could bump it up a notch and at least make viable. This very easy to corrupt and is an excellent card to recycle with Y'Shaarj, the Defiler.
What do you think?
Showstopper is definitely nothing like old ironbeak. It may look trivial, but the difference between a silence being a battlecry and a deathrattle is massive. 99% of the time, you need to silence the thing immediately. Without expending additional resources from yourself, showstopper isn’t going off the turn it’s played.
Ironbeak was great because it had no strings attached to it. There are going to be times when you MUST silence something, and won’t have the backup to kill showstopper, and it will feel bad.
I don’t really think anyone is underrating dragon tamer. It’s a good card. Any Paladin deck running even two dragons would consider playing it. It’s more a matter of will the best Paladin deck run dragons or not.
As for cascading, I think it’s a good card, but not a card warlock needed. Hand locks issue is far and away from board control. Handlock issue is it’s survivability. With soul demon hunter poised to be even stronger, this card is 100% dead in that matchup. It will have its moments, but again was not what control lock was lacking.
Umbral Owl -- Because the discount isn't applied i the deck, this gives Guardian druid an additional beast that can be played for cheap but doesn't screw up your combo.
Grand Finale -- This card alone enables the return of control/freeze mage. You can run an extremely controlling deck and have your entire finisher be 2x copies of Confection Cyclone and 2x copies of Grand Finale. This gives you two waves of one-two punch turns, where you play the three elementals contained in the Confection Cyclone (and still have mana left over to play Frost Nova and Doomsayer), then follow it up with four 8/8 threats. A lot of classes just don't have the resources to clear the first board, never mind a reload with your second copies of Confection + Finale.
I wanted to open this thread to discuss some of the less-discussed cards that you believe might be sleepers in this set. Here's what I believe to be currently overlooked:
Showstopper - This card kind of makes me think of Doomsayer. Yeah, it's MUCH easier to kill, but it's a card that makes you think twice before placing cards down. It's good for the early and late game, especially against decks like Libram Paladin and Big Druid. I wouldn't sleep on this at all, even if the effect being a Deathrattle is slow.
Redscale Dragontamer - Good stats that draws you a card is excellent, obviously. Paladin has many good Dragons to tutor. This can be in a Dragon or Highlander Paladin deck (maybe even a Skyfin deck if you're feeling creative).
Cascading Disaster - Control Warlock is nowhere on the map. I think this could bump it up a notch and at least make viable. This very easy to corrupt and is an excellent card to recycle with Y'Shaarj, the Defiler.
What do you think?
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showstopper basically alone stops most of priest shit
redscale is a 2 mana 2/3 THAT DRAWS A SPECIFIC CARD, no random shit
disaster is a 4 mana destroy 2 most of the time, even doing nothing, and in a class where everything destroys everything already, this one's pretty good, considering warriors run a 5 mana brawl just to clear ONE minion
Showstopper isn't Needed to beat wall priest, but it has good stats, so it's not horrible. No one underrates silence, otherwise the damn owl would still cost 2.
Redscale Dragontamer is literally only for the pally murloc deck, well, murloc deck with some pally cards anyway. Since the deck is 5iq, it's not underrated, it's just gross.
Cascading Disaster is easy to double-corrupt, it's not underrated, it's gonna see play in Y'Shaarj control warlock with other corrupt cards.
You want underrated? Look at the 'meta' around the 24th, you'll find the Delinquent, Broom, Tour Guide, etc. commons, Epics on average are horrible imho, but go figure.
Definetly agree about Showstopper, finally decent and more powerful replacement for the dreadful Ironbeak Owl
Showstopper needs to be combo'ed tho, in Control Warrior that would be best suited with Risky Skipper if you play at least one more small minion after it, to kill it and trigger it's Mass Silence. Warrior vs Paladin is quite a frustrating matchup, so maybe that'll help a bit.
N'Zoth, God of the Deep is obviously stupidly underrated, I predict he will be played all the time after the Meta settles, almost like the old one.
Showstopper is definitely nothing like old ironbeak. It may look trivial, but the difference between a silence being a battlecry and a deathrattle is massive. 99% of the time, you need to silence the thing immediately. Without expending additional resources from yourself, showstopper isn’t going off the turn it’s played.
Ironbeak was great because it had no strings attached to it. There are going to be times when you MUST silence something, and won’t have the backup to kill showstopper, and it will feel bad.
I don’t really think anyone is underrating dragon tamer. It’s a good card. Any Paladin deck running even two dragons would consider playing it. It’s more a matter of will the best Paladin deck run dragons or not.
As for cascading, I think it’s a good card, but not a card warlock needed. Hand locks issue is far and away from board control. Handlock issue is it’s survivability. With soul demon hunter poised to be even stronger, this card is 100% dead in that matchup. It will have its moments, but again was not what control lock was lacking.
Umbral Owl -- Because the discount isn't applied i the deck, this gives Guardian druid an additional beast that can be played for cheap but doesn't screw up your combo.
Grand Finale -- This card alone enables the return of control/freeze mage. You can run an extremely controlling deck and have your entire finisher be 2x copies of Confection Cyclone and 2x copies of Grand Finale. This gives you two waves of one-two punch turns, where you play the three elementals contained in the Confection Cyclone (and still have mana left over to play Frost Nova and Doomsayer), then follow it up with four 8/8 threats. A lot of classes just don't have the resources to clear the first board, never mind a reload with your second copies of Confection + Finale.
musk of c'thun : discount mage and reno are able to play this for cheap and it's good even in Tortollan piligrim
G'huun the Blood God : temposwing for changelife priest and imo see some potential combo
Foxy Fraud [/card]: basically a [card]preparation with a 3/2 not bad imo
reverant rascal: in zoolock if you conquer the board in 2 turn and in 3 ply this basically you win the game against almos class
Prize Vendor : potentially mill and superbody for aggro murloc, both in shaman and pally
Stage Dive : Tutor for Kargath Bladefist + buff on rush minion.
Minefield : Versatile, shut down any aggro early game or kill a single 5 health minion.
Redscale Dragontamer : Could see play in Pure paladin with Amber Watcher
Wriggling Horror : Even if it was a 1/1 it will still be played I believe. Remind me a lot of Fungalmancer