Hi, I'm fairly new to Hearthstone, and I've been searching around for this topic, and I've found some remotely related answers, but nothing specific to a circumstance I have.
I know the cast, summon, death order of revealed secrets, but what I'm wondering if you can order your secrets, to gain the most benefit (cast first, left, cast last, right). The specific cards I'm thinking of are Potion of Polymorph, and Mirror Entity. Is there a way I can organise them to summon a copy of the card that was played, instead of the 1/1 Sheep? Or, should I just not play these secrets together?
Edit: Moments after I posted this thread, I found this: https://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Potion_of_Polymorph , which seems to say that PoP will trigger before ME, and summon the Sheep, but again, does that depend on the order of the secrets (left to right)?
The aforementioned link states:
"As stated in the card text, this Secret does not activate until after the minion has been summoned, including the activation of any Battlecries.
Potion of Polymorph will not trigger if the minion is mortally wounded (such as by Snipe) or pending destroy (such as by Sacred Trial).[1]
Sacred Trial, Mirror Entity, Snipe and Repentance will all trigger after Potion of Polymorph, and will copy/effect the sheep, not the original minion. (After Summon triggers, like Knife Juggler, will also trigger for the sheep.)"
No, I'm pretty sure you always get the 1/1 sheep. I believe sometimes the order of secrets does matter, like with Explosive Trap and Freezing Trap. I'm pretty sure in that case you need to play explosive first, because if a 2 or less health minion attacks first, he dies (and doesnt trigger freezing) but if you freezing first, it gets frozen and then explosive triggers.
That's just one example I can think of where it does matter, but I'm sure there are more.
The order of played secrets apply how they are triggered. For example if you played Freezing Trap first and Explosive Trap a minion which attacks your hero will be moved to opponent's hand. If you played it in a different order, firstly minion gets 2 damage and then is moved to hand.
I don't know how it actually works. Both secrets state "after your opponent summons a minion" whichkind of indicates to me that order of play could matter. If it matters, you need to play mirror entity first since you get the minion and then it gets polymorphed. If not, don't play both together unless the 1/1 gives you lethal.
I might test it when I have time.
Edit: I tested it and the order of play matters. The quote from the wiki is wrong.
"Sacred Trial, Mirror Entity, Snipe and Repentance will all trigger after Potion of Polymorph, and will copy/affect the sheep, not the original minion. "
From my experience playing mirror entity followed by potion of polymorph gives you a copy of the minion they just played and then theirs turns into a 1/1 sheep. In the opposite order you would both get 1/1 sheep.
Korozja91: I thought so for most situation. I don't know if you posted before I edited, but that Hearthstone reference link made it more confusing, as it specifly mentions said cards.
Just that you don't miss it: I edited my post with information from the hearthstone wiki. They are usually correct (I never experienced otherwise). They are wrong.
If Mirror Entity is played first, it will copy the original minion then Polymorph, maximizing your tempo advantage. NEVER play Mirror Entity if you already have Potion of Polymorph active.
Or if you're like me, it won't matter anyway because they'll always play Swashbuckler/Babbling Book/Alley Cat/Snowflipper Penguin into your secret giving both of you a 1/1.
If Mirror Entity is played first, it will copy the original minion then Polymorph, maximizing your tempo advantage. NEVER play Mirror Entity if you already have Potion of Polymorph active.
Or if you're like me, it won't matter anyway because they'll always play Swashbuckler/Babbling Book/Alley Cat/Snowflipper Penguin into your secret giving both of you a 1/1.
Since this is the opposite of what is written in the wiki, I tested it now. And the wiki is wrong. Order of play matters. First time I experience that the wiki has wrong information.
If Mirror Entity is played first, it will copy the original minion then Polymorph, maximizing your tempo advantage. NEVER play Mirror Entity if you already have Potion of Polymorph active.
Or if you're like me, it won't matter anyway because they'll always play Swashbuckler/Babbling Book/Alley Cat/Snowflipper Penguin into your secret giving both of you a 1/1.
Since this is the opposite of what is written in the wiki, I tested it now. And the wiki is wrong. Order of play matters. First time I experience that the wiki has wrong information.
The wiki is right. You read it wrong. The first bullet says that order matters. The third bullet says that, if Poly triggers first, then the Mirror will still go off but hit the sheep instead.
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If Mirror Entity is played first, it will copy the original minion then Polymorph, maximizing your tempo advantage. NEVER play Mirror Entity if you already have Potion of Polymorph active.
Or if you're like me, it won't matter anyway because they'll always play Swashbuckler/Babbling Book/Alley Cat/Snowflipper Penguin into your secret giving both of you a 1/1.
Since this is the opposite of what is written in the wiki, I tested it now. And the wiki is wrong. Order of play matters. First time I experience that the wiki has wrong information.
The wiki is right. You read it wrong. The first bullet says that order matters. The third bullet says that, if Poly triggers first, then the Mirror will still go off but hit the sheep instead.
That’s how it works. But it states explicitly what I cited. There is no “if” at all. And since it explicitly mentioned mirror entity, I believed this overwrites the first statement. They should add the “if”.
Hi, I'm fairly new to Hearthstone, and I've been searching around for this topic, and I've found some remotely related answers, but nothing specific to a circumstance I have.
I know the cast, summon, death order of revealed secrets, but what I'm wondering if you can order your secrets, to gain the most benefit (cast first, left, cast last, right). The specific cards I'm thinking of are Potion of Polymorph, and Mirror Entity. Is there a way I can organise them to summon a copy of the card that was played, instead of the 1/1 Sheep? Or, should I just not play these secrets together?
Edit: Moments after I posted this thread, I found this: https://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Potion_of_Polymorph , which seems to say that PoP will trigger before ME, and summon the Sheep, but again, does that depend on the order of the secrets (left to right)?
The aforementioned link states:
"As stated in the card text, this Secret does not activate until after the minion has been summoned, including the activation of any Battlecries.
No, I'm pretty sure you always get the 1/1 sheep. I believe sometimes the order of secrets does matter, like with Explosive Trap and Freezing Trap. I'm pretty sure in that case you need to play explosive first, because if a 2 or less health minion attacks first, he dies (and doesnt trigger freezing) but if you freezing first, it gets frozen and then explosive triggers.
That's just one example I can think of where it does matter, but I'm sure there are more.
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The order of played secrets apply how they are triggered. For example if you played Freezing Trap first and Explosive Trap a minion which attacks your hero will be moved to opponent's hand. If you played it in a different order, firstly minion gets 2 damage and then is moved to hand.
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I don't know how it actually works. Both secrets state "after your opponent summons a minion" whichkind of indicates to me that order of play could matter. If it matters, you need to play mirror entity first since you get the minion and then it gets polymorphed. If not, don't play both together unless the 1/1 gives you lethal.
I might test it when I have time.
Edit: I tested it and the order of play matters. The quote from the wiki is wrong.
https://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Potion_of_Polymorph
"Sacred Trial, Mirror Entity, Snipe and Repentance will all trigger after Potion of Polymorph, and will copy/affect the sheep, not the original minion. "From my experience playing mirror entity followed by potion of polymorph gives you a copy of the minion they just played and then theirs turns into a 1/1 sheep. In the opposite order you would both get 1/1 sheep.
Horkinger: This is what I'm figuring. I came across it in a Solo Adventure, and don't have PoP, or else I would just test it out myself.
Korozja91: I thought so for most situation. I don't know if you posted before I edited, but that Hearthstone reference link made it more confusing, as it specifly mentions said cards.
Just that you don't miss it: I edited my post with information from the hearthstone wiki.
They are usually correct (I never experienced otherwise).They are wrong.If Mirror Entity is played first, it will copy the original minion then Polymorph, maximizing your tempo advantage. NEVER play Mirror Entity if you already have Potion of Polymorph active.
Or if you're like me, it won't matter anyway because they'll always play Swashbuckler/Babbling Book/Alley Cat/Snowflipper Penguin into your secret giving both of you a 1/1.
Anger is the punishment we give ourselves for someone else's mistake.
Anger is the punishment we give ourselves for someone else's mistake.