Stancifka's Mill Rogue Postnerf
- Last updated Sep 21, 2017 (Evergreen Nerfs)
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Wild
- 13 Minions
- 14 Spells
- 2 Weapons
- Deck Type: Ranked Deck
- Deck Archetype: Mill Rogue
- Crafting Cost: 5160
- Dust Needed: Loading Collection
- Created: 9/21/2017 (Evergreen Nerfs)
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Hello everyone! Balance changes are live, so it’s time to explore the new metagame now that the total dominance of Hex Shaman Druid is over. This deck is also accidentaly playing just 1 legendary card and even that one can be cut from the deck, so basically anyone can give this one a try!
Your opponent tries to draw a card. But wait, there is nothing left! So he takes one damage instead. And then two, and after that million, so he dies. You don’t even need to beat all his 30 cards in the game, as you did your best to burn as many of them (and you can burn a lot) as you can because of hand size. Furthermore, decks nowadays are often built around one or two cards that are essential for them to even have a chance of winning, so burning them can mean an instant victory.
Pirate Warrior is a horrendous matchup, but after the nerf of Fiery War Axe, this deck might easily surface and become tier1 in no time. Futhermore, Kazakus Priest is an insane matchup, as they don't have pressure plus you can burn their win conditions for instant win, which is another huge plus for this deck.
You will need to do some math with this deck, but the main thing is to know to how big fatigue you will get your opponent in one turn and if it's good enough. For example, if your opponent has zero cards in deck and you will make him draw 4 extra cards + his draw which equals to highest fatique 5, then he will overall take 15 (5+4+3+2+1) damage. Here is just a small cheatsheet so you don't have to keep counting over and over on those hard turns where you need to focus on everything else:
Fatigue 3 - Total 6 damage
Fatigue 5 - Total 15 damage
Fatigue 7 - Total 28 damage
So this means that with Valeera the Hollow active you can play Shadowblade and Coldlight Oracle + copied Oracle + Shadowstepped Oracle for a full OTK 31 damage Kill if you opponent drew his last card in his turn and you are able to attack his face with the weapon. Don't forget that thanks to your weapon you won't take any damage in case you would be about to fatigue as well.
Coldlight Oracle is a total cornerstone of this deck, and the main thing you want. If you are playing against control, this is the only card you want, and I would advise mulliganing literally everything else in case you don't have the Oracle yet.
When you play against aggro, you can keep a much wider range of cards, especially Backstab and Doomsayer are great, but Eviscerate and Tar Creeper are also good at keeping you alive, so I wouldn’t mulligan these in order to search for Oracle. However, Coldlight Oracle is still the best card here.
As mentioned above, your main engine is Coldlight Oracle, which is supported by Shadowstep and Youthful Brewmaster, even with an extra Shadowcaster thrown in the mix if you would like try one. Vanish is also great at bouncing the Oracle, so altogether it is not unusual to play 6-8 Oracles in one game of Hearthstone. If you get to fatigue at the same time as the opposing hero, then Shadowblade + 2 Oracles is a great combo, as you take no damage from your fatigue draws, and 3 damage from the weapon sometimes serves as a final nail in the coffin.
With Coldlight Oracle being this important it is very painfull to get it killed by your opponent, which means you need to protect them as much as you can. Good rule of thumb is that if you can't immediately bounce your Oracle, don't play it yet.
So now that we established that we are ideally drawing a ton of cards each turn, we need some cheap stuff to play, because hand size quickly becomes to be a real problem. Preparation and Counterefeit Coin are excellent at this, as getting your tempo back in exchange for card disadvantage is exactly what you are looking for. Backstab, Eviscerate, Doomsayer are here to efficently keep you alive while you are both drawing cards like crazy.
Sap and Vanish are also great at defending your life total, but they are able to do even more than that in this deck. Your opponent often holds a lot of expensive cards in his hand that are hard for him to get rid of, so the bounce spells either fill his grip up or straight up kill his minions.
As you will quickly see, Vanish is an incredibly strong card, but it is very important to get a full value from it. Don't play at the first opportunity where it looks OKish, but wait a bit longer to make it an insane blowout.
Saronite Chain Gang is a card I originally didn't have in the deck, but once I discovered it I knew it is staying in. This guy (or maybe I should say guys) is just solid overall, and does a suprisingly good job with stabilizing the game when you start losing the board. Add in a fact that it works well with all the bounce in deck and you have a very nice card.
Valeera the Hollow provides a ton of value in this deck, but it's main target is just producing more Coldlight Oracle. I know, what a surprise. However, it has very important synergy with Vanish, which might not be most obvious at the first sight. Usual problem with Valeera is that you develop it and it does nothing that turn other than gaining you some lifes, which allows your opponent to fully expand his board presence, since he does not need to deal with any new threats. This is perfectly solved by the followup Vanish, which can also ideally bounce extra Coldlight Oracle you play before that and that will make sure your opponent's hand size is overflowing.
And if everything else doesn’t work out, try to play 6 Vilespine Slayer and see if your opponent has any gas left afterwards.
Earthen Ring Farseer is one of the movable slots, but I would always play at least one in this deck, because then you can bounce him a lot of times and keep your health higher if necessary.
Skulking Geist could also be considered, since removing any card from your opponent is quite relevant - they get to fatigue sooner, although the fact you remove Jade Idol is still the main reason to run him and I would play him only if you are still running to lot of Jade Idol.
Valeera the Hollow is the only legendary in this deck, but she is very hard to replace, so if you are able to craft her you better do so. However, if I let my imagination run wild and there is no dust left at all, then I guess I could include another support card instead, like second Earthen Ring Farseer.
And that's it for today, good luck milling everyone guys! Make sure to watch the video, we go with in-depth game analysis there, which should answer a lot of questions you might have! I put a lot of effort into these videos, so if you like it just hit the Youtube subscribe button to let me know I should keep making these for you to enjoy.
Cheers
StanCifka
It is such a pity that Darkness Candles from The Darkness get milled and do not get casted... I honestly do not understand why since it says: "cast this when drawn".
It would be such a great upgrade to the deck
What about Brann instead of Valeera if I play in wild? Seems good with the Oracles.
Loved it. So fun to play.
6\10 games 2 oracles in 15 cards...
How about Daring Reporter in the deck ?
I dont think thats good ... the point of the deck is to kill your opponent through fatigue .. till then u have to control the board
How good is Nat, the Darkfisher???
I feel as though everyone in this thread is claiming "alternative facts" when they talk about their success with this deck. I just went 1-10 in _casual play_ with it. I try to play control until I get the oracle and other combos together, but with no success. The combos just take too long to come together. I lose to hunter because it just deals too much damage too efficiently. I lose to priest and exodia mage because, no matter what I manage to mill, they still have enough answers.
In what world does this deck actually work? How do you bend the laws of space and time so that it wins?
Maybe you aren't playing it perfectly? Hunter is a bad matchup but priest is pretty good. I have only played maybe 50 games with the deck but have won alot up to around rank10.
I found that defenses sometimes run a bit short in the deck, so I decided to replace tar creeper with stonehill defender, not only does it give you extra taunts, but it also can sometimes give you the curator, which can help you draw the oracles if you don't have them yet.
Some thoughts on this:
1. Getting to fatigue is hard. Even if you're getting coldlight oracle/vanish action, there's a long way to go before that deck is down to 0 cards. To get there without depleting your resources seems to depend on getting Valeera roughly on curve and having the key cards once you do.
2. Getting value from Vanish can be hard because you need to not die.
3. Vilespine Slayer is insane. The true MVP of this deck.
4. You need to get the entire game right to win with this, all your opponent needs is for you to have one really bad turn (bloodlust/savage roar/double kill command/machine gun).
5. Getting savagely beaten in casual with this deck. Is there any other matchup than draw heavy priest/warlock where it does well?
6. Shadowcasters vs more defensive options. The deck struggles with survival, so arguing against defensives is hard, but without shadowcasters it can be hard to get enough work out of the coldlight oracles. Getting 2 oracles to draw through the entire enemy deck AND cause enough overdraw to kill the opponent is no easy task.
Lastly, a question: When do you guys start spending the coldlight oracles?
Im running a different version of mill rogue, but the playstyle is always the same.
5. Getting savagely beaten in casual with this deck. Is there any other matchup than draw heavy priest/warlock where it does well?
Any kind of deck that relies on combos, such as Exodia Mage, JDruids (if you put Geist and burn him some good cards), or slow decks which keep big hands.
When do you guys start spending the coldlight oracles?
As i said, im running this version here: http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/911697-thijs-mill-rogue and as i have 2x Youthful Brewmaster and 2x Gadgetzan Ferryman, i usually start playing Coldlight at 5, so i can play him and put it back to hand. Sometimes, i just wait to prep+vanish at 6, then Coldlight + Backstep (or the inverse, if you want to burn his board, not deck, and only if that makes him overdraw).
This deck is shit. Unless you draw oracles soon, you just sit there waiting to die. I played 30 games and won 2. The ones I won were fun, but it's all based on 2 cards. If you don't pull them, you're screwed.
To be honest, although you are kind of screwed if you don't draw it early, you still have a lot of things to stall your oponent until you draw. The deck is all about learning to manage your resources and be able to live until your opponent no longer has a deck. Once there, it is very likely you win the game.
Does shadowcaster seem good or too cute?
Tried it, really on the verge of playability, if you want you can run him for sure :)
If you want to have fun, this deck is'nt for you
Folks, I'm a little confused by the coins. What do they work with primarily or are they literally just mana buffs?
I don't have the DK, which I understand isn't entirely necessary, - does that lessen the value of the coins (I'm guessing no).
Thanks!
Also to activate the vilespine slayer for instance if you dont have a backstab! (You can use 2 with valeera the hollow..)