NumberSept's N'Zoth Paladin
- Last updated May 6, 2016 (Old Gods)
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Wild
- 19 Minions
- 9 Spells
- 2 Weapons
- Deck Type: Ranked Deck
- Deck Archetype: N'Zoth Paladin
- Crafting Cost: 11980
- Dust Needed: Loading Collection
- Created: 4/27/2016 (Old Gods)
- NumberSept
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Battle Tag:
NumberSept#2674
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Region:
EU
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Total Deck Rating
547
Hello fellow heathpwners!
I'm NumberSept, I'm from France and I play on EU. I play since season 7 but I've been playing seriously only for 2 months. 2 times legend since then. I was really disappointed to face so many aggro shaman in the first few hours after the release but this deck helped me to get back in the top 1000 legend after many loss. I'll climb mostly with this deck during S26.
Guide
As you can see, this is a N'Zoth, the Corruptor deck. FIrst you should know that this is a hard control deck, the game often ends when you hit fatigue. This means that if you are looking for fast games, this is not meant for you. The archetype is very similar to Anyfin Can Happen paladin, and so is the general strategy. During the early and mid-game you almost only try to survive and to draw, and when you have enough tempo you try to play the dearthrattle guys. In late game the 8 drops and our old god should make you win. The card explanation and the mulligan are in the spoiler below.
- Combo parts
Sylvanas Windrunner - Cairne Bloodhoof - Tirion Fordring - I can hear you screaming "Is that it? 3 deathrattle? You expect us to believe you?". Yes I do. Those are the best deathrattle in slot, putting them once on board is already a huge value. But twice, all in the same turn with the pretty good 5-7 body of N'Zoth, the Corruptor, THIS IS SPARTA!
- Removals
Humility - Equality - Doomsayer - Aldor Peacekeeper - Keeper of Uldaman and Sylvanas Windrunner who works about the same way.
- Healing material
Truesilver Champion - Forbidden Healing - Ragnaros, Lightlord which won me a lot of games by itself, don't underestimate it!
- Draw
Acolyte of Pain - Solemn Vigil - Lay on Hands
- Combo wombo
Wild Pyromancer + Acolyte of Pain + any spell = draw // Acolyte of Pain + Humility or Aldor Peacekeeper = draw // Wild Pyromancer + Equality = full clear // Consecration + Equality = full clear // Wild Pyromancer + Consecration = 3 damage AOE // Aldor Peacekeeper or Humility + Stampeding Kodo = ultimate removal
Mulligan
Please remember that this mulligan guide is still in progress because of the meta which is quite unstable. I classified the cards depending on how bad you want them. You should also know that this is meant to assist you, but the mulligan depends on a lot of factors which can not all be mentioned in here, those are just tips!
- What you always want to keep:
- Doomsayer - This card is your MVP, but it is really better in the early turns. This is the key card of the deck imo so don't waste it. You have to consider which important turn you could block your opponent with it, because sometimes you don't even want to clear the board with it, you just drop it on empty board to keep the tempo when you have a follow up.
- Shaman
- Aldor Peacekeeper is a very good card against shaman, because of the new cancerish Flamewreathed Faceless, good also against Totem Golem
- Consider keeping the Wild Pyromancer if you have The Coin or Equality
- Acidic Swamp Ooze because, you know, 10 dmg inc...
- If you have any of above, think about keeping Consecration
- C'thun whatsoever
- Truesilver Champion will definately bring you to value town in the midgame, keep it!
- Acolyte of Pain is good get your combo parts before your opponent
- Twilight Summoner can be kept if you have any of above and you feel like it!
- Zoo
- Consecration is THE card you need! Insta win if your opponent is greedy, this AOE is a lot better since standard hit.
- Acolyte of Pain is ok since you want Consecration and it often can make you draw twice, plus Zoo is slower than shaman so overall you can be greedier mulliganing.
- Yologg-Saron Mage
- Truesilver Champion is very useful to deal with Flamewaker, keep it!
- Earthen Ring Farseer can be kept since this Mage can start pretty fast.
- Midrange Hunter
- Acolyte of Pain will most certainly help you to draw twice.
- Acidic Swamp Ooze will destroy that horrible baw.
- Consecration is good if you have anything else.
Those are the most frequent match-up, I will write more when the meta stabilizes a bit more.
Replacements
After reading the same questions over and over again, here is the very expected replacement guide, I even classified it wisely, if your card is not here just craft it, it's a damn rare dude!
- Impossible to replace
- Hard to replace
- Keeper of Uldaman -> Second Humility and may be Big Game Hunter = find another removal that suits you well :)
- Cairne Bloodhoof -> The Skeleton Knight ; Corrupted Healbot ; Twilight Summoner = get a high value minion
- Ragnaros, Lightlord -> Second Forbidden Healing ; Tuskarr Jouster ; Guardian of Kings = another healing possibility
- Replaceable
- Solemn Vigil -> Acolyte of Pain
- Forbidden Healing and Lay on Hands -> same as Ragnaros, Lightlord
- Justicar Trueheart -> this is more like a tech spot, try whatever you want, may be Faceless Manipulator, Eadric the Pure, Twilight Summoner and so on.
How can you help me?
I am still unsure about Psych-o-Tron and Justicar Trueheart, I would like to hear your suggestions! Also I don't have the dust for Eadric the Pure and The Skeleton Knight, can you test 'em for me? Furthermore, if you reach a good rank with my deck, just send me the screen I want to make a pantheon with you hpwners!
Proof
Here is the proof I went top 1000 legend with this deck on 27.04.2016 in the spoiler below. I messed up with my stats but I will share it with you for S26!
Last edit
Hello! As you can see, Elise Starseeker is gone. "But... Why?". Like I said in my last edit, it was meant to improve the match-up against other control decks. Sadly, the Golden Monkey is too weak to C'Thun and thus, this back-up plan was not always working. Last season I went legend with Midrange Paladin and Justicar Trueheart won me a lot of games, it makes your opponent use AOE just for some tokens which is a huge value. I think it is a better back-up plan. Lay on Hands is too slow compared to Forbidden Healing and I was often in a situation where I had both Ragnaros, Lightlord and Lay on Hands in my hand, this won't happen anymore. Finally you should know that I am not climbing with this deck anymore and thus I there is less testing currently, but there are better players than me in the comment so I try to chat with them to discuss about the possible improvments.
Former edits
If you are curious, here are the former updates I made, check the spoiler below.
Edit N°1
I wrote a small guys because I really appreciate how you guys commented on the guide, keep it going huehue! Thank you :) Also I crafted the new Rag which is damn good, it improved my winrate a lot. Also the art of the pic I made is not something from me.
Edit N°2
A promise is a promise, I wrote a small mulligan guide in the Guide section! And after reading some comments I made quite a lot of changes, you can check how it was before but I think it's getting better :)
Edit N°3
Ok, I was depressed because I got bad RNG and I'm back in the 6000s legend... *feelsbadman* So I've made a couple of changes in the decklist after reading your comment, the Stampeding Kodo could be the answer. I've figured out that much healing was pretty useless if you don't get the board back! Thank you for the comments :)
Edit N°4
S26 is here. Besides that, everybody in the comments is talking about Twilight Summoner, I'll test them tomorrow instead of Stampeding Kodo! Also what do you think Faceless Manipulator?
Edit N°5
S26 has just begun! Good luck to you guys :) I made some huge changes after I read the recent comments and after I talked with 2 french professionals players. Check it out if you were playing a former version of my deck.
They believed that the Stampeding Kodo were taking too much room, that's why kodos are not there anymore. After I removed them, I added 2 Twilight Summoner because - against control decks- your opponent often keep some badass AOE to deal with N'Zoth, the Corruptor, but with the summoners and Cairne Bloodhoof, it will be much harder! The problem was the high amount of 4 drop with this change, so I removed Sen'jin Shieldmasta. But I gotta keep some taunts right? This is why I added Psych-o-Tron. You probably think this card is meh, but trust me, it is really good and there are some unexpected combo, free trades with Keeper of Uldaman for example.
Finally, a lot of people did not like the Sir Finley Mrrgglton idea, and it is true that it is often not really useful, this is why I reimplemented Earthen Ring Farseer to make the curve better. I hope you like this update, it drastically improved my winrate as you can see, I just rushed rank 11 easily. I also changed the name of the deck which was may be inappropriated.
Edit N°6
I feel it guys, we are near to the end of our quest! This deck feels almost perfect! Quite a few changes again, I hope you don't mind, but if you do please play a former version of my deck, they are all in the historic below the decklist.As you noticed, there are no more Twilight Summoner. They were added to have a back-up plan when you fight against a control opponent who is expecting your N'Zoth, the Corruptor. They did pretty well in that scenario, but it was a too huge tempo loss against aggro deck. I believe the newly arrived Elise Starseeker will fulfill the same role being less greedy and only taking one spot.There are still some aspect of the deck which are not sure, please read the how can you help me section.
No dust to testEadric the Pure! Faceless Manipulator was taken into consideration but I think Elise Starseeker is a better back up plan and less greedy!
-2 twilight summoner, put in whatever the fuck else you want. It doesnt have enough tempo.
i'm currently testing -2 Twilight Summoner and - 1 Psych-o-Tron for +1 Sen'jin Shieldmasta + 1 Elise Starseeker +1 Stampeding Kodo, I will update tomorrow if it works well
Yeah i miss the Kodo for sure playing against Bloodhoof Brave. Or comboing with Aldor Peacekeeper to take out big minions.
I would not say really fine, it needs some more testing, but yeah it feels great! :) Thank you!
really enjoying this deck, and i appreciate all the notes about changes and such! thanks a bunch!
You are welcome :)
Eadric the Pure works well in a deck like this. I've been toying with a N'Zoth paladin myself the last few days, more fun than serious, and I've found that it's makes a hard-counter to an opposing N'Zoth deck. Played after your opponent's N'Zoth, it makes what was once a frightening bunch of minions into a pitiful seven damage.
Considering the prevalence of Zoo and opposing N'Zoth decks as well as the occasional Midrange/Evolve Shaman it could easily turn a disastrous boardstate into something more manageable. It also handily takes the bite out of C'Thun if your opponent should get him into the field and you're out of options.
If you're interested, here's the more aggressive N'Zoth Paladin I've been having fun with.
This has actually worked? Whats the strategy as far as being more aggressive?
Why is Twilight Summoner so bad? i really like it, i feel like it is controlling enemy AOE pretty well.
And can someone explain why i should not change out Earthen Ring Farseer with Harvest Golem, since there already is so much healing in this deck, and Harvest Golem is a great minion.
I also wonder why you have Humility and not Hammer of Wrath or maybe Spellbreaker.
Since i dont have enough dust for Ragnaros, Lightlord, i replaced it with Avenging Wrath this card is a maybe maybe, high damage for low cost, since we have all these clearing combos, it is easy to win the game by only hitting face with this card if you have your high damage minions out. I might be wrong, but i have won an amount of games with this card, and cleared some minions with Equality. Maybe i should change my Avenging Wrath to another Forbidden Healing since there already are alot of great AOE combos in this deck, and i dont have Ragnaros, Lightlord. What do you guys think i should do?
I played this deck without [card]Psych-o-Tron[/card].. And it actually went pretty great, so i agree that it should be left out (Maybe change with Spellbreaker :^) )
I also maybe consider taking out Acolyte of Pain and replace it with other cars i have mentioned, like Spellbreaker, another Forbidden Healing, Hammer of Wrath or maybe even Loot Hoarder.
I dont think Eadric the Pure is necessary btw.
I will play this deck today, just without one Psych-o-Tron and Ragnaros, Lightlord (replaced with Hammer of Wrath and Avenging Wrath), and see how it goes. If i feel like it needs a change i would do this:
-One Psych-o-Tron. I dont think two is necessary at all
-Earthen Ring Farseer. It is good for the curve, but i think Harvest Golem is a better choice
-Humility. Yes, nice card. But there is already two Aldor Peacekeeper.
-Acolyte of Pain
+Another Forbidden Healing, Since i dont have Ragnaros, Lightlord. But i feel like Forbidden Healing is great, and there is some games im just waiting for it, but never get it.
+Harvest Golem Maybe 2??? great to clear minions in the start, and fits well if you have your Consecration ready for the next turn ;)
+Spellbreaker Fuck yes, i like it, but. I have not used it so much, so maybe there is another card i can change it with?
+Loot Hoarder. Good curve, and you dont need all those cards from Acolyte of Pain
Love your deck man!
Thank you man. I will answer shortly because your comment is long af lol and ain't nobody got time for that :p Why Twilight Summoner? Read the last edit :) Earthen Ring Farseer is there because of shaman and zoo which can be very fast so you need a body and sometime you don't get the other bigger healing you need. Humility has absolutely not the same purpose as the other cards you mentionned, it is meant to proc Wild Pyromancer and to be played the same turn as an 8 drop, however if you want to fit a Spellbreaker take a Twilight Summoner out! Loot Hoarder is your worst idea, fit Harvest Golem and Spellbreaker if you want but don't fit this one, because yes, you need all those cards from Acolyte of Pain!
Great reply, i just have to say: My comment was more of a question, and you answered it very well, i dont think i am nearly as good as you with decks and stuff. I really want to look more into this deck, and see if it can get any better, because i love this deck.
But, is there any very good reason to add Spellbreaker? Because i got a little bit unsure right now :s
And is there any good reason to not have Hammer of Wrath? (:
Spellbreaker may not be the best choice but if you face a lot of deathrattle deck, having a silence is really useful. So depending on what you face I would say. I don't know how to explain it but it is common knowledge that Hammer of Wrath is just bad lol! If you want to add me on skype to discuss about the deck just mp me on hpwn.
Nice deck!
My changes:
-1 Psych-o-Tron
-1 Twilight Summoner
+1 Spellbreaker
+1 The Skeleton Knight
Hi dude! First i want to say that i really liked you deck a lot! I have around 4.5k dust and i need to craft almost all the expensive cards. So could you say what you think that i should prioritize? The cards that i need to craft are Ragnaros, Lightlord, N'Zoth, the Corruptor, Cairne Bloodhoof, Doomsayer x2, Forbidden Healing and the Twilight Summoner x2.
Hum honnestly there are cheaper deck that would be better in the current meta, you should not invest so much in this deck
I played your deck in a friends account who have all de the cards, and its REALLY a fun deck. Rag is a life saver and N'zoth is a giant middle finger in the face of your opponent. You did a great job. But its too expensive so ill follow your advice. Thanks!
I have no Ragnaros, Lightlord but i have Eadric the Pure. It is good idea for replacement?
Acolyte of Pain
Elise starseeker instead Twilight Summoner, helping many times vs priests