[Wild] [Legend] Metabreaker Mill
- Last updated Apr 11, 2019 (Rise of Shadows)
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Wild
- 11 Minions
- 18 Spells
- Deck Type: Ranked Deck
- Deck Archetype: Mill Rogue
- Crafting Cost: 5660
- Dust Needed: Loading Collection
- Created: 2/24/2019 (Level Up Nerf)
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Total Deck Rating
72
Auto win against Warlocks and Priests
Auto win against other control decks
Auto win against any other mill/fatique deck (they can't outlast infinity)
Favored against Shamans
Can deal with Hunters
Unfavored vs most Paladins
Struggles against Mages and Kingsbane rogue
Why should you play this?
To send a message to every Warlock and res Priest! Get them out of the meta entirely!
If you lose 99 games, but get a single win against a res priest, you know that's a win overall!
The deck has a 100% winrate against priest (and I have no idea how many I've encountered - maybe 60? - if you've played wild you know they're everwhere)
Legend Proof
https://imgur.com/a/5LBMVab
Card choices
Antique Healbot <> Zilliax
Spirit of the Shark is a great budget replacement for Brann Bronzebeard
The deck is very specific so I'm not sure what you can cut to make room for tech cards. Maybe Antique Healbot , Zilliax or Deathlord.
Or maybe a single Lab Recruiter? I personally find those really helpful in every matchup so i wouldn't recommend it.
Gluttonous Ooze can help vs Kingsbane
Blood Knight for paladins seems a bit too ambitous. but Doomsayer was orignally in the deck. Wild Pyromancer could also be tested.
Cheat Death is very ambitious and overall inconsistent
I overall find Shadowblade unimpactful. You will rarely need the invincibility in this deck, since it's more midranged, than combo based.
Jade druid is a very bad deck so nobody should be playing it. But maybe if you've faced 20 in a row, you should consider Skulking Geist
Mill damage table
Always check for lethal. You might be closer than you think
(Remember they always draw once on their turn)
1 cards = 1 damage
2 cards = 3 damage
3 cards = 6 damage
4 cards = 10 damage
5 cards = 15 damage
6 cards = 21 damage
7 cards = 28 damage
8 cards = 36 damage
9 cards = 45 damage
10 cards = 55 damage
11 cards = 66 damage
12 cards = 78 damage
If the opponent already has already entered fatigue you simply count the full amount of fatigue and subtract the initial damage. I.e if they have drawn 2 fatigue cards and you mill them for 2, you count is as 4 cards (10 damage) and subtract 2 cards (3 damage).
The equation will look like this. 2+2 = 4 cards. 10-3 = 7 damage.
Generally vs control
It's very important to have card draw to cycle vs control. Try to hold onto Coldlight Oracle until you can guarantee shuffles, a bounce or at least enough draws to make you last for a while. Shadowsteping Brann Bronzebeard usually gets all this done for you. If you have Coldlight Oracle to combo. you also need to consider wasting your cards to get them out of your hand. Sometimes you really need the card slot for Lab Recruiter, Valeera the Hollow or Coldlight Oracle. Backstab your own minions if you have to. You can also destroy your own Deathlords if you're suspecting a Mecha'thun or Shudderwock deck. You usually just hard mill for Coldlight Oracle or Elven Minstrel. If you already have those, look for cheap cards to waste, ways to shuffle Coldlight Oracles or singular cards that are very useful in the matchup (look below for reference)
Generally vs Aggro
There is no way to write a guide for facing aggro with this deck since everything is so situational. However, it is very important to swing the board state in your favor. Removing minions one at a time can work, but will often get you killed in the long run. Swinging the board will instead force them to deal with your minions or allow you to bounce them. Preparation is a very good tool in this matchup - make it count!. Other cards that cycle are also really helpful. Just be careful since Fan of Knives can disable Walk the Plank. Coldlight Oracles are obviously not too great in these matchups. Not only because they let your opponent draw, but because they're 3 mana 2/2s. You generally wanna avoid playing it, since aggro decks can actually run out of cards (or have bad draws.
Generally mulligan for Backstabs, Fan of Knives, Deathlord and Elven Minstrel instead. Antique Healbot isn't terrible, but not recommended.
Different matchups
- In the priest matchup you need to bounce and not destroy. Hard mulligan for Coldlight Oracles or Elven Minstrel and attempt to have a Sap ready for the 1/1 from Barnes. If it's an Obsidian Statue you can also just leave it on the board. 4 damage a turn isn't really a problem. A fun little note is that Y'Shaarj, Rage Unbound actually helps you mill. If you can take the damage you can choose to leave it up.
DO NOT KILL Ragnaros the Firelord. Even if he almost kills you. Priests have no damage from hand (aside from cards from The Lich King) and killing him will only worsen the situation. Spam out small minions instead to help you with the burn.
Sometimes you'll see a combo priest deck. You can attempt to mill their Archbishop Benedictus or simply go infinite after they've used it. This matchup requires a slight setup and very specific piloting.
- Against Warlocks you should attempt to hide your intend since most warlocks play like idiots and set themselves up for the mill. Walk the Plank and Saps should help vs their 4 drops. Avoid damaging them because of Hooked Reavers and Molten Giants (unless you're close to lethal). This matchup is usually an autowin if you get going fast. The biggest threats in this matchup are Mal'Ganis, Mecha'thun and Mojomaster Zihi so keep an eye out for what you're facing. You might wanna have a Sap ready, combo mill them with Brann Bronzebeard or avoid playing Valeera the Hollow respectively. Note that Mecha'thun needs to be discounted before it's a threat.
- In the aggro mage matchup you ideally wanna cycle Antique Healbots to deal with their endless barrage of burn. This matchup is very hard because their secrets destroy your minions and prevents Shadowsteps. No easy way to get around this, but try to be proactive instead of reactive. Autowin if any other mage. Backstab is really good in this matchup because it lets you check for secrets without losing tempo. Bloodmage Thalnos is also great since it cycles, and lets you remove Explosive Runes.
- Vs hunters you simply need to establish a board presence. Saps aren't that useful even though they silence magnetized mechs. Once the hunter loses the board you autowin. Bounce Antique Healbots and make sure to keep their board small to prevent Metaltooth Leaper. As long as they don't throw their entire hand out in turn 2 you should be fine. Don't keep Walk the Plank in your opener.
- In the jade matchup you need to attempt to mill their Jade Idols with Vanish and Coldlight Oracles. Litterally skip 8 turns if that is what it takes. Do not kill any of their minions! This is your only way to win! If you're really ambitious you can attempt to Gang Up on Aya Blackpaw or another jade card and out tempo them with Brann Bronzebeard. This will usually fail though.
- Most pirate decks just autowin against you. However, a Kingsbane rogue will usually avoid trading. Try to establish board control and race them. You will often win the race since Deathlords and Antique Healbots will negate entire turns of theirs. They also never use fan of knives so you can value trade. You need to destroy Buccaneer immediatly if they play it early without Kingsbane. It's basically a 5/1 and threatens even more damage if they can find Kingsbane again.
- Shamans seem to have died out a bit after the Flametongue Totem nerf. There's no easy way to write a guide for this matchup since shamans have so many different ways to build their early game. I usually treat it as a race where their hero power isn't really doing anything. Get fast draws to cycle and find your answers. Create swing turns with Vanish if possible, but keep in mind that Vanish is a very important tool. Do not waste it if you're not in danger of dying. And be aware that shamans have a very long reach when it comes to damage from hand. Although they're usually very board oriented, so you have so many options for stall; Evasion , Vanish and Valeera the Hollow. Remember that some run Windfury.
- Vs. paladins you hope you draw Fan of Knives pretty early.
The hardest aspect
The toughest choice with this deck is when to shuffle. Whether to use Preparation to use Gang Up. Which cards to bounce, which cards to shuffle. I can't give a definitive answer on this; it's extremely situational, but i can list some pros and cons.
If you use Preparation to Gang Up you gain 2 card spaces, but will be missing a Preparation. If you use Lab Recruiter you will have a 3/2 minion on the board, but it will be vulnearable if you wanted to bounce it later. Bouncing Lab Recruiter is also a great way to setup before your own mill turn to ensure you don't mill yourself. Gang Up can be used on an enemy minion if you only need the anti mill. Lab Recruiter can't be used with Preparation
If wanna bounce a minion, remember that Coldlight Oracle gives -1 handspace when played, while other cards give +1. Do remember that Brann Bronzebeard can be played with 3 Coldlight Oracles if you've shadowstepped. This mills 12 cards. Killing a full health opponent with 5 cards remaining (and very close if they have 6 cards remaining).
Using Brann Bronzebeard + Shadowstep frees up a handspace, sets up for use combo plays, but potentially makes you vulnearable to Dirty Rat, gives away your intend and is very slow board wise. Spending Brann Bronzebeard afterwards will also disable a combo mill turn in the future.
Most aggro players aren't total idiots and will kill Antique Healbot immediatly. If you play an Antique Healbot and can bounce it, you usually bounce it instantly, unless you don't have the time or think you can get a better opportunity later.
You do know I was replying to two different posts right? Basically shows you actually didn't read what i wrote. I was trying to make you understand how ladder works, but apparently aren't interested
So lets instead look at it from the top:
priest, warlock and control decks ruled the non-top 100 legend meta last season
and even if you did reside in top 100
priest, warlock and control decks combined outweighed Kingsbane rogue
my deck hard counters those decks
ergo is this a metabreaker
So what is your excuse now? I can understand that your ego cannot accept that you were wrong, but enough already. Unless you add something that's actually relevant just stay quiet.
I like the deck, I have a few variation/take on mill rogue and I find out i’d rather play with Spirit of the Shark instead of Brann Bronzebeard.
it usually stay alive thanks to the stealth and 1mana is a small price to pay for 2 turns of doubling the battlecries. Also you can run two of and finally it also synergies with combo cards and a T4 spirit into T5 Antique Healbot makes the difference (Brann always has to be comboed on the same turn)
It costs 1 more mana for 0 stats and can be destroyed by any aoe. You insta-lose to any deck with any tempo and non-idiot control players just destroy it instantly. Very very very bad card and you should never ever even consider it if you have access to Brann. It's definitely a viable budget replacement
I don’t know man, i’ve been trying both and spirit won me more game and was better in my games (rank5 wild).
This is a common misconception. Shark feels more impactful because of its safety. It's very inconsistent, but you forget to take into account all the games you lose because of it. But you can choose to stick with it, if that's what you prefer.
Think of it like this:
Would you pay 4 mana to heal for 8? Healing Touch cost 3.
Would you pay 4 mana to draw 2 and make your opponent draw 2? Research Project Costs 2. Naturalize costs 1. Arcane Intellect costs 3.
Probably not a bad card, just hit with the double whammy that it's bad in this deck AND bad in the meta. I could see it in a deck that relies on combos in a meta without this much 3 damage aoe.
How do you play Brann with 4 oracles. Brann = 3 mana, 2x shadowstepped Oracle with Valeera = 2 mana, 2x normal Oracle = 6 mana. 11 mana total. Explain plz
typo - fixed it
Upvote for every fellow mill rogue player :-)
I am not entirely convinced, but I will test this for sure.
Card replacements?
Well Spirit of the Shark for Brann but we better not reopen that debate :)
That's not that debate, I just not sold on DK Valeera, Brann is out of the question since I've got him.
Very nice guide, have my upvote
I am scared that an old-style Mill Rogue without N'Zoth, the Corruptor can lead to Legend: it means that the meta at high ranks is overloaded with legions of Control decks, and few Aggro/Midrange.
But if that's the case, I am glad there's people like you out there protecting us all.
I was honestly just so sick of terrible players winning because they had paid more money. I made this deck to force them to put some actual thought into their gameplay. It should also be said that the deck has a very decent winrate against aggro decks, and is really skilltesting in those matchups which is what i like about it. And in the lower ranks like 5-3, aggro players don't know what they're doing and will probably have a negative winrate against you.
I haven't played wild enough so I started at a fairly low rank this season (Asia server already reset many hours ago). I absolutely struggled with this deck in the beginning because there was far too much aggro pallys, rogues and mages. Even a few zoo locks. I had a negative win rate which was annoying at such a low rank. No doubt I was making mistakes with a deck I have not played before.
So I ran odd warrior just to get past all of those aggro decks.
From rank 4 onward I started playing this deck again and I don't know if I was super lucky or what but I have only lost 3 games from ranks 4 to 1. There are so many priests, control locks (Cube/Reno/Mecha/), warriors etc which just feel like free wins at the moment. The losses were to Jade druid and pirate rogue. I managed to beat the hunters I faced which was a little bit surprising to me by copying Zilliax and/or healbot.
Overall, I really enjoy the deck but I feel like you need to be selective about where and when you play it because the matchups feel really polarizing.
originally it had 2 doomsayers, but got destroyed by devolve. You can test by adding 2 of those and cutting deathlord and one of the bots. It's gonna make the deck a bit worse against shaman and priest though.
That's kind of how Mill Rogue goes. You generally have matchups where you cannot lose unless you just play poorly, or you have matchups you stand no chance against since aggro will just beat you down. It's a great counter-queue deck when you lose against a Priest or Warlock, but it's very risky to just try to climb blindly with it. The creator says that Shaman has dropped but personally I ran into 5 in a row, all different people, at rank 6 (Even Shaman that is.) It's being played just as often as it used to be.
Out of every deck I've seen in HS's history, Wild Mill Rogue is probably the most polarizing deck ever.
As cancerous as this is, it makes big priests suffer so I have to give it an upvote
Nice guide. Regards.