Shudderwock OTK *FULLY EXPLAINED*
- Last updated May 17, 2018 (Witchwood)
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Wild
- 20 Minions
- 10 Spells
- Deck Type: Ranked Deck
- Deck Archetype: Control Shaman
- Crafting Cost: 9040
- Dust Needed: Loading Collection
- Created: 4/11/2018 (Patches Nerf)
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This deck focuses stalling, playing setup battlecry cards and then having 2 turn lethal. Although it takes two turns it is still an OTK as you deal 30 to 0 damage guaranteed in a single turn.
Why is it good at first glance?
Theoretically this deck should beat cubelock quite easily as it can hex doomguards and should have plenty of time to pull of the combo. It should have plenty of tools to survive aggro decks, and enough removal to pull off the combo against midrange/Spiteful Summoner decks atleast half of the time. Even against decks with more than 30 health. You still have the combo in your hand to continue the following turn.
Setup requires playing the following minions in advance:
1) mumuring elemental and Grumble, Worldshaker on the same time turn (This will not only give you the required worldshaker battlecry for the 2-TK but also give you a 1-mana Murmuring Elemental to play on Shudderwock turn). Another option is to use the Fire Plume Harbinger to reduce the cost of Murmuring Elemental, this allows you to play Grumble, Worldshaker with more flexibility.
2) A Saronite Chain Gang to summon a second Shudderwock which will be returned to hand by the Grumble, Worldshaker effect.
3) A Lifedrinker to deal 3 damage.
Combo
First turn: Play 1 mana Murmuring Elemental into Shudderwock. This guarentees returning a 1 mana Shudderwock and a 1 mana Murmuring Elemental to your hand.
OTK turn: Play the Murmuring Elemental into nine 1 mana Shudderwock which deals exactly 30 damage (9 times 3 = 27, plus 3 damage from the extra battlecry from Murmuring Elemental). Note that board space isn't an issue as the Shudderwocks are repeatedly returned to the hand and replayed. If anything it is your hand that becomes too full but that is irrelavant.
For now the guide is going to be brief. I will update it as I gather more data and have more time to invest into it.
Mulligan guide
Vs aggro and tempo decks (ie paladin, hunter and rogue)
Optimal: Tar Creeper, Doomsayer, Gluttonous Ooze, Loot Hoarder, Lightning Storm (for paladin). It should be mentioned that you should play Gluttonous Ooze on turn 3 vs an aggro deck if you don't have another play even if you arent getting value from its battlecry.
Okay keeps: Saronite Chain Gang, Bloodmage Thalnos, Lightning Storm. Only keep these if you already have a good curve and some optimal cards already.
Unless you are absolutely certain you are facing a face hunter or extremely aggro deck you should never keep Healing Rain as it is much more important to develop a board and remove minion damage. Only keep if you are pretty sure it is a very aggressive deck and you already have some decent removal tools or taunts.
Vs cubelock (warlock)
Optimal: Shudderwock, Hex, Far Sight, Mana Tide Totem, gluttunous ooze, Loot Hoarder and Bloodmage Thalnos (don't keep duplicates and don't keep bloodmage thalnos if you already have loot hoarder). The earlier Far Sight is used the better. If you think he has cube in hand with a Dark Pact it may be worth pre-emptively hexing Possessed Lackey and not the demon it summons.
Okay keeps: Saronite Chain Gang, Tar Creeper. Although you would rather have cycle, these can help stop bleeding from small early chip damage from cards like Kobold Librarian.
Vs priest
I won't go through all the cards again (its hard to state the correct and bad cards to keep against a class which has several decks and is still being adapted as it is the start of the expansion), but you want your hand to be a good balance of cycle and early board minions. Eg. it is fine to keep mana tide totem or far sight if you have a doomsayer. For now I would keep a hex as alot of priests run alot of buffs, and if not they are often spiteful decks where the hex will come in useful midgame.
Matchups
Note that these are very likely to change as deck lists are optimise and more data is gathered. I would recommend soon checking decks like tempo storm meta snapshot once they have updated it. What I have listed is mostly based on theory and very limited experience. I would appreciate feedback on what matchups you find easy and hard (and why so I can determine if it is something to do with this deck build, their deck build, or your playstyle)
Very favourable: Control warlock, taunt warrior, big mage
Favourable: Cubelock, druid, priest (less sure about this one)
Unsure/even: Miracle rogue, rush warrior, spell hunter
Unfavourable: Paladin, tempo rogue, zoolock, face hunter, midrange hunter
Just humiliated this deck with cubelock, i dont think it will be that meta defining
You humiliated yourself by playing cubelock.
this deck is less than a day old and cube lock has had months to get into shape. it's a high bar, no doubt, but an infinite damage combo is worth trying to improve.
what if you try far sight instead of mana tide totem? since -3 cost card is pretty good (18 cards are 3 and up i think is a nice rate to get some costs reduced) and it helps to get the hand not too high but not empty either.
why are u here? are u trying to find a deck u can netdeck? use your imagination. LUL
So far I have managed to get the initial combo off several times, but have only won 1 game. You really take a beating setting it up, and you are left exposed after Grumble sends any taunts you have back into your hand. Going to try paying a little more attention to my life total, even if it means holding off on the combo. Ultimately casting it on a empty board with at least 10 or more health to be safe. Almost wish that it actually cast Chain Gang instead of just copying Shudder ... i would rather have the board full of taunts than be left with an exposed face.
Wat decks are you playing against? I have updated the list so it should be a bit better!
Needs 2 Primordial Drakes...
Yep i just updated it to include fire plume harbinger! I would encourage you to edit it and add glacial shard to your list if you think it is good vs the decks you are playing against. I considered it but there is one downside that it is an elemental so messes up your combo drawing.
deck works like a charm 13-1 so far but i did make 1 change, -1 feral +1 healing rain, meta is pure hunter right now and i destroy them.
Would like to remind people to not make the mistake i made, play both chain gangs before trying to combo
I played the combo with only 1 gang and it did not make another shudderwock because the order was bad enough to screw me over even with the double battle cry guy.
Lost 4 in a row. Very hard to set up a combo, and when I finally did it in 4th match, I did not get neither Shudderwock nor Murmuring Elemental back in hand because my hand was pretty full from before and stupid totems got returned instead.
Need to practice some more, but my hopes are pretty down at the moment.
What can I replace Thalnos with?
acolyte of pain, novice engineer, the spell damage is just a bonus not required
Do not use novice engineer or any battlecry draw minion as you don't want to kill yourself by fatiguing. But yes acolyte or any deathrattle drawing minions is fine.
its also necessary to have free space in hand to make the combo
all's good and well until a warrior uses his hero power half a time and gains 1 armor. Then you're fucked. Same with mage, druid, and other classes that choose to use 1 armor beetle in their deck
There are no effects in hearthstone that damage hero life before damaging their armour.
alexstrasza