2013 Control Warrior Returns
- Last updated Dec 16, 2017 (Kobolds Patch)
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Wild
- 13 Minions
- 14 Spells
- 2 Weapons
- Deck Type: Ranked Deck
- Deck Archetype: Control Warrior
- Crafting Cost: 10040
- Dust Needed: Loading Collection
- Created: 12/12/2017 (Kobolds Patch)
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Sup fellas, Zenthon here, trying to bring back 2013's Control warrior which has been mildly successful for now.
30 upvotes for the guide:)
AAAAAANNNDDD WE ARE AT 30<, and on the warrior’s tab thank you so much!
Woah i did not expect such a surge in responses and us making it to the front page, no less a feature by Hearthpwn! Thank you all for your support fellow hearthpwners!
Yes, I know there is only one new card from the latest expansion that has been placed in, but lets go through the warrior cards of the set that i left out:
The Deck
Control warrior was all about outlasting the opponent until they ran out of resources, until they ran at a low health level, then the burst kicks in. It also relied on drawing many cards to gain advantage and hold its answers for massive AOE clears.
Removal
Rule of thumb:
Always consider the following levels before using removal:
1. How much damage does the opponent have on the board. Only consider using removal if he deals 4 more damage than your rate of armor gain. It is often the best play to do nothing and wait for a much more valuable play.
2. Minion or spell? Sometimes it is better to use minions to intimidate opponents' bigger minions and force inefficient trades, or placing a taunt minion to safeguard against the smaller minions. Sometimes your thought process would end at this level.
3. How do you want to remove minions? Board clear or targeted? It happens often that the best play is to remove only one minion when you are facing maybe 5 - 6 minions on the board, because you know that if you do use an AOE, you would not be getting full value from it.
That being said, the deck contains a variety of AOE spells that deal with aggressive boards:
Execute: Not much to explain for the best hard removal a warrior can get.
Slam: Flexible removal yet also a cycling spell, which is crucial in this deck. This deck definitely needs obscene cycle to obtain its answers especially against Druid.
Brawl: Ultimate board clear against many token or big decks, which are rampant everywhere.
Sleep with the Fishes: by far the only card worth playing in control warrior from MSOG, this card contains insane value against enemy boards when combined with the various AOE damage effects the deck runs.
Shield Slam: High amor count in this deck makes it for a very good removal tool any time.
Other Spells
Shield Block: Cycling spell that is very useful in the early game. Hold on to it against priests to avoid being shot down by the machine gun.
Unidentified Shield: of the 4 effects, each one has good potential when used at the correct timing: Tower Shield +10 can put you back to safety, Runed Shield can give you board presence, Spiked Shield gives you a weapon for final burst damage and Serrated Shield is basically a harder Bash. Each shield has its own purpose in the right timings, so time them properly.
Survival and Value:
Minions in this deck provide means of defence and also maintain your advantage and options, stalling to get massive results from AOE clears.
Armorsmith: To face the current situation of highly aggressive minion-based decks, 2 copies are included to combo with the few whirlwind effects. This allows for the deck to go out of range against Razakus Priests and also many aggressive decks while this minion hides behind taunt minions .
Acolyte of Pain: Mandatory card draw to find the answers in this deck, i run 2 copies against the meta that threatens to generate value to find my answers almost immediately. Never drop him when you cannot guarantee at least 2 draws off him.
Jade Druid is the natural enemy of Control decks, running cards that spawn the powerful Jade Golems that grow by 1 each time they are summoned. Jade Idol is a key card in this deck as it allows for infinite value and minions that can grow up to 30/30 powerhouses. The current state of the ladder is dominated by Druid, with the Jade variant being highest I have encountered.
Skulking Geist: This is our failsafe minion against Jade Druid, mulligan especially hard for it when facing a Druid no matter what. Armor would be a priority once they have exhausted their jades and you are safe to drop bigger minions. There are many other decks from other classes that run 1 drop spells that warrant his minion to be run as well, therefore this card will always be a solid inclusion in the long term, even after the rotation of Jade Idol.
Weapon: Blood Razor is your only weapon in the deck, so use it wisely.
Blood Razor is especially good when combined with various spells and minions, to damage the board or proc their abilities. Try to ensure at least 2 draws from Acolyte of Pain by timing theWhirlwind effect efficiently.
Finishers and Support:
This deck focuses on the main combination of Grommash Hellscream and Alexstrasza to mow down the opponent. There are definitely enough cards and effects to trigger Grommash Hellscream, so it all boils down to the setting up of 15 health- opponent.
Ysera: Her dream cards are immensely important to us for utility value. She is relatively tanky and can indeed win games outright when she sticks to the board for multiple turns, especially against priests.
Living the Dream
Laughing Sister provides an impressive body with the handy ability to elude spells and hero powers.
Emerald Drake is good for late game pushes along with Direhorn Hatchling, with the 7/6 body seemingly very threatening.
Nightmare is an interesting utility card, which could either give you the final push for lethal situations, or aide your defensive plays.
Ysera Awakens is an ultimate AOE card that could combine with the extra board damagers in this deck, perfect for extreme board clears. Its combination with Sleep with the Fishes can potentially deal 8 damage on both sides on the board, which can deal with many popular minions like The Lich King and Bonemare combinations.
Dream can pull back Grommash Hellscream and give him another chance to shine yet again.
Mulligan
Always search for Slam, Blood Razor and Acolyte of Pain. Against Druid, mulligan especially hard for Skulking Geist after the above cards have been obtained, or get hold of any card draw you can to draw into this Jade-Killing minion. Against Aggressive decks, aim for Ravaging Ghoul and Armorsmith especially.
In this deck, you have to prioritise armoring up, while placing defence measures to stall the game. Cycle to find your answers and make sure that the opponent overextends instead of using single removal on each of his minions, while drawing into the finishing combinations. However, be prepared to stay flexible as not everything can go your way.
Tech Choices: Harder Control
Against control decks which are even more oppressive, you may want to consider the following change:
- 1x Skulking Geist
+ 1x Dead Man's Hand, which can reshuffle the cards you need for a second wave of bust damage, especially from Grommash Hellscream.
Shoutout to Kadakk and his channel for this awesome video right here below, please do follow him, like and subscribe to his channel:
I would also like to highlight a really good and informative video made by Kiwiinbacon, showcasing the strengths of the deck especially against the paladin and priest classes, which currently run rampant on the ladder right now.
While i had my doubts about Scourgelord Garrosh, i would say that this deck does show the importance of Whirlwind effects, which can indeed be very powerful in the late game. Kolbolds is a fun expansion, that is definite. But I would say that it is not impactful enough to bring Control warrior out of the gutter it is back to its former glory in the days of the old gods, as there are many classes with cards that still hold it back. This deck is not infinite, that is for sure, and it definitely is not perfect, but it is one that can be made with reference to the deck we knew from back then. And we shall try, and try again, to make control warrior great again!
At the same time, do check out my other deck, which could probably be more powerful at http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/700264-koft-nzoth-control-warrior. It is a deck focusing on N'Zoth, the Corruptor, which goes infinite with extreme board presence at all times. Other than that, happy laddering, challengers!
want to play control decks? cubelock or control warlock is much more powerful than this. only one voidlord, u can do nothing with it if u use this deck.
The reason why we want Control Warrior to be viable again is because it is an actual deck that requires skill and patience, and isn't full of bs. Cubelock and Demon Control Warlock have nothing special, one summons a Voidlord and applies a Carnivorous Cube to it and "woah, oh my skill", the other summons a bunch of demon and resummons them again as a win condition ("oh my woah, so skill"). People gets tired of those kinds of decks really easily after a few weeks.
Thank you brother
what did u achieve wih this deck ?
Played the deck, too many "Armor Up-Pass" turns for my liking. Not especially good against aggro with new Corridor Creeper and is underwhelming when compared to control options such as Reno Priest or Mage.
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A wonderful deck, in 2013 it was, now it is ridiculously weak.
Where is the win condition in the control matches? alex + garrosh?
I’ve only played a few games with this list beat both evolve shamans but lost to taunt warrior didn’t draw very well and he finished his quest really fast.
I like this list it really does feel like good old control warrior. But I have to ask what is Skulking Geist for. The only thing that comes to mind is for Jade Druid.
I have some decks that run it aswell.
It is pretty strong against priests that want to DK up then use lyra + radiant elemental to ping you to death.
That said, there aren't that much priests that play raza machine gun (at least from what I encounter)
Almost nice deck, but i've made some changes: -1 Armorsmith -1 Geist +1 deadman's hand (for more chanses against control decks, also you have lots of draw, so u run out of resourses very fast, so u need a ability to "save" them, so dead's man hand is ur solution) +1 lich king (he is really helpful, if u want to change it -> do it ;D ). About 75 % winrate from 20 ->15 rank
Quest mage rape me, how to play agaisnt him?
add 1 or 2 dirty rats instead mb armorsmith and slam
The main problem with this deck is running out of gas/removal in the late game so I would add the dead man's package maybe with oracles to keep copying some key removal and Gromm that would feel waaaay better. In addition to that the inclusion of the Deathknight is debatable since armor gain is so much important; maybe geosculptor would be a nice fit if you want to take the route of infinite armor gain since it allows to extract value from something that basically is meant just to keep you alive (in this case the addition of dead men's allows you to replay him since he is a priority to remove, a soft taunt if you will, actin as removal bait and value engine)
bit of a shame only 1 new card for a decent control warrior really nothing exciting has happened to them in a long time now
worst shit I have ever seen, unplayable, quest and cthun war will do much better than this
shield slam aka 100 dust in 2017 lul
I played my fair share of CW back in the days. As a matter of fact, Warrior was my first golden hero.
Unfortunately, this deck does not work at all, even in Casual. I am not even sure if it is due to the current Meta or due to the deck itself. There are no real threats to speak of, opponents have way too many recover mechanics to just rely on Alex into Grom. Scourgelord in a CW doesn't seem right to me. Main weapon of CW is the armor gain. To replace that with a whirlwind effect just seems bad to me.The 3 weapon hits you get on top just don't cut it.
Right now I am playing it because of my Warrior Class Card Quest, but it is definitely a struggle to even start the 3rd game, as I know I can barely win.
wew this deck is good one, tried it and love it. it feels like old control warrior which very popular before
i change -1 unidentified shield +1gemstudded golem, its a good minion when you see aggro deck, you can see my first gameplay which he is the mvp, without him i would lose for sure
here my 2 game plays vs aggro hunter and demon recruit warlock. enjoy :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6b73LMF7u8&feature=youtu.be
You see..the problem is while Control Warrior does have the niche of completely countering certain aggro decks, it always has the roughest time out if any other deck in value games. Control warrior just doesn't have the late game to keep up with the likes of N'zoth or decks that generate so much value. That's why while this deck looks good on paper, it is incredibly underwhelming in practice.
If you wanna play a control deck that doesn't completely crumble against Aggro and Control, play Control Warlock.
Looks like an awesome deck for 2016