Ben Brode: "We Might Rotate Some Additional Classic Cards to Wild"
Ben's been a busy guy lately! Mr. Brode took to the official forums to discuss the goals behind Standard and wanted to let everyone know that if the team doesn't think enough will change, they have no issues moving problematic cards out of the basic and classic sets.
- The ultimate goal is to keep Standard fresh every year.
- If the same Basic and Classic cards appear too frequently each year, that won't be them achieving their goal.
- Meta will always need to be watched to make plans for the next Standard year.
- Releasing new cards is better than buffing cards from the classic and basic sets.
You can join the discussion over on our forums, or leave a comment below to share your thoughts.
Quote from Ben BrodeThe goal with Standard is to keep the meta fresh for each yearly rotation. There are some benefits to keeping Basic and Classic cards in Standard: Returning players have an entry-point to the new format, and new players experience classics like "Hogger" and "Arcane Missiles" that are iconic and great introductions to the game. People take breaks from Hearthstone, and being able to jump right back in with a few cards you already own and understand makes that experience a lot better.
That upside has a real downside in working directly against the big goal for Standard. It needs to feel different each year, and if Basic and Classic cards are still appearing in large densities year after year, we will not be achieving our goals for Standard.
We knew we weren't going to get there when the Year of the Kraken began, so we nerfed 12 basic/classic cards, to put more of the weight of the meta into the rotating sets. We always knew we'd have to watch the meta to see if any future changes would be needed when we got ready for the next year of Standard. If things are looking like they are going to be too same-y for that next year, we could see more nerfs, or we might rotate some additional classic cards to Wild, like we did with Old Murk Eye. No matter what, we're committed to making Standard fresh and exciting each new year. (Source)
Are you guys considering, besides nerfs, implementing buffs for underused vanilla cards?
Given the goal of Standard is to keep the game fresh each year, it's important to keep a lot of the power of the cards in the expansions, and not in the basic and classic sets. It's not clear what that balance of power should look like (is it ~10 cards from the basic and classic sets on average?), but we're currently skewed so high towards basic and classic cards in decks, that we are at high risk for 'samey-ness' as the years change in Standard. Buffing Basic/Classic cards *increases* that risk. If the goal is to get more cool cards into the meta, just releasing awesome new cards in expansions should make an impact there, and still keep Standard fresh. (Source)
no he clearly meant arena
Arena will now feature standard rotation all cards moved onto wild all cards moved from standard enter arena arena is true wild wild will now feature standard rotation al lcards from standard moved into wild which is then moved into arena arena will be evergreen every card is there and forever it will be wild
Up coming threads: Should I dust Ragnaros the firelord? Should I dust Blood mage thalnos? I never play wild I think I don't need Lerroy.
Knowing this website, they probably already existed in some capacity, they'll just be more obvious now.
of course they wont buff or nerf more cards... they loses them money kappa
Please rotate some cards out. I'm tired of those 16 auto include bullcrap.
MORE MONEY !!!
I was promised that the classic set would always be useable in standard. I invested money in crafting lots of the classic legendary in gold. Do not f this up blizzard!
We were promised that naxx and gvg and brm and tgt would be around forever when they were released and people were pumping money into those. We were promised wild wouldn't be neglected. We were promised many things. But instead they were changed into money grabs without any compensation or an apology. And they will keep doing it more and more. I don't know if hearthpwn lets you read my past posts. But you should read up on my posts from a year ago where I was posting in a thread full of people defending blizzard and their decisions.
This shit aswell as nerfs can be lawsuited in developed countries. You bought a digital product (cards in HS) and you became a rightfull owner. Then Blizzard doing with your property which you paid for whatever they want with no consiquences?
Aswell as they encourage new players to buy classic packs, cards from which, as they said on launch of standard will stay there forever. So they basicaly cheated the customers that way, to make them waste their money?
Something here just not right.
Good luck suing blizzard because they rotated your golden Ragnaros the Firelord. That'll hold up in court.
it's their game, they can do what they want with it, by that thought process if you pay for a subscription to WoW and play fire mage and they nerf it and you don't want to play arcane mage you can sue them for that too?
Alright, so enlighten me then what you actualy paying for if that is not cards? You just casualy throwing away your cash just to make Ben Brode laught even harder?
You can't equate a subscription to play a game while they change some rules (and it's an obvious thing to change with patches as in everyone expects that and it's a legit practice to keep things in balance) to a digital item in that said game you bought for money being removed from the game itself without any compensation. Recently Valve lost a lawsuit against Australia. You should check up on that how it goes when you don't quite go along with the laws.
You are paying for an extra game service which is enabled to the account, which it used by you, but owned by Blizzard. You're not paying for cards, but for a possibility to play cards on Blizzard's account. However,because the account you are playing on is Blizzard's Blizzard may do any changes to it including the changes to the cards, which are in its card collection.
You see ? That's what are those expensive lawyers paid for.
You're not paying for a game. But for a possibility to play a game. Such ridiculous semantics that aren't even true. As I've said. Read up on Australia vs Valve
Look at the terms of service, you don't own a single one of your cards. You don't actually own anything you have ever bought in any digital game. You don't even own most of the software on your computer, you just have a license to use it so long as the company allows you to.
Do you really want to deal with having to declare your hearthstone collection as an asset? It's much simpler for everyone if users don't actually legally own digital goods, which is why every single game does it that way.
You should spend money on a game because you enjoy it, plain and simple. I have spent money on sets being rotated out, and I'm fine with it. I got my money's worth of enjoyment playing them already, and I play wild from time to time as well. If you don't enjoy the game, just don't spend money on it. But blizzard should do what is required to create a better play experience, which may involve moving cards out of standard (as many high level players said from the start).
Moving to wild is literally removing it from the main game and that is not a nerf. As far as we've seen it that's not going to change. And buying a right to use it is exactly the same as buying it. You can't just take it away without a refund.
Yes. They tried to defend this with a pretense that wild will be a thing and it's not being removed for the game.