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    posted a message on Until 99% of the community stops netdecking I dont see how wild or standard changes anything
    Quote from Sanzen >>

    Good luck on your jolly quest to save the world of hearthstone. Unfortunately it looks like most people disagree, not that it matters anyway. Fact is you can't control what other people do.. I guess we could talk about it all day though

     I give up.  Everyone seems perfectly content with the state of the game and I have stated my piece.  *shrug*
    EDIT: too many people like the guy below me in here as well
     
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    posted a message on Until 99% of the community stops netdecking I dont see how wild or standard changes anything
    Quote from achan1058 >>
    Quote from YaYERZ >>

    Then I, as the creator of said thread, proceeded to tell you your post had no place here. You asked why and I told you. Now im "mad". Figures

     I am sorry to say, this is a public discussion forum.
     And? I didnt say he wasnt allowed to post in my thread I said he should read what the topic is actually about before typing a paragraph that doesnt fit within the context of what we are discussing here
    Quote from IhaveT_RexArms >>
    Quote from YaYERZ >>

    Then I, as the creator of said thread, proceeded to tell you your post had no place here. You asked why and I told you. Now im "mad". Figures

     Well the bold and all caps part towards the end definitly make you look like an angry white boy.
     I do all of that so I dont have to do it again. 
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    posted a message on Until 99% of the community stops netdecking I dont see how wild or standard changes anything

    Then I, as the creator of said thread, proceeded to tell you your post had no place here. You asked why and I told you. Now im "mad". Figures

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    posted a message on Until 99% of the community stops netdecking I dont see how wild or standard changes anything
    Quote from IhaveT_RexArms >>
    Quote from YaYERZ >>
    Quote from IhaveT_RexArms >>

    I am kind of sick of some people blaming netdecking as the reason they are terrible at playing hearthstone. And here is why. Sure if there were no forums then good decks would take a little longer to catch on, but it would not change anything really. If I am losing to deck i take mental notes about what my opponent is doing and think about why it is working. If i like the class i will adapt some of my strategies to what is working. Sure if there was no forums or deck building/posting websites then people would have to have good memories or take pen to paper and write down what their opponent is using, but you better believe that with 30 cards in a deck it would not be hard for people to replicate decks that work really well. It is not creative sure, but the game would be the same. All the the internet has done is make it easier to do it.

    So if you think netdecking is why you are terrible at hearthstone then you are wrong. You are just bad at the game.

     You should try actually reading before typing a paragraph of nonsense 
     it makes perfect sense. Please detail what is so nonsensical about the paragraph. Or you can just spout of silly things with no support. Thank you :)
     Lets start with the fact that is has no place whatsoever in this thread. " I am kind of sick of some people blaming netdecking as the reason they are terrible at playing hearthstone." What are you even talking about here? Please point out where I say anything about winning or losing anywhere in this thread. Please point out where im complaining that netdecking requires no skill. Please tell me where I said ANYTHING WHATSOEVER about my status in hearthstone, whether I lose more than win, or what deck gives me trouble anywhere in the opening post. I NEVER EVEN TALK ABOUT MY WIN/LOSS ratio until after you made your post.  Also the bolded is pretty ironic coming from a guy harping on and on about "blaming netdecking for losing" when this thread has nothing to do with that. 
    Once again you people come rushing into this topic assuming that im complaining about losing when I couldnt care less about that. Its actually quite hilarious how people that are against me are both arguing that I dont netdeck because I dont care for winning and want other people to adopt that mentality then turn around and say I only dislike netdecking because I lose to it. So I dont care about winning yet I somehow manage to care that I lose at the same time? So which is it? 
    This is the last time im going to say this. This thread is about netdecking resulting in a stale ranked environment in which a player can expect to see the same deck a multitude of times within the same setting. This thread is about players willingly making ranked this way. This thread is about netdecking being accepted so much within the community that it wont change for the foreseeable future. This is the same mentality that will result in the cycle continuing. This same stale environment will transfer to the new game modes if nothing is changed.  IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WINNING OR LOSING. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AGGRO/CONTROL/OR FATIGUE BEING OP. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH NETDECKERS BEING BAD PLAYERS OR PEOPLE CREATING THEIR OWN DECKS BEING BETTER. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH NERFING A CARD OR CLASS. ALL IM AM TALKING ABOUT IS DIVERSITY ON THE LADDER, SOMETHING I THOUGHT EVERYONE WOULD WANT. If you cant comprehend that dont bother posting.
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    posted a message on Group therapy! Need to blow off steam? Mega salty? Here is the place!

    Yesterday a mad bomber was played and managed to do 15 dmg to me because I missed all 10 of the 1/2 drops I had. I was on my way to being 12-2 in arena when I ran into a hunter. We both came to a unspoken gentlemen agreement and proceeded to SMORC the entire game when at the last moment, with him at 3 life facing sure defeat the hunter betrayed our agreement and played a TAUNT! It wasnt just any taunt either. It was a sludge belcher. I have never felt so betrayed in my life.

     

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    posted a message on Until 99% of the community stops netdecking I dont see how wild or standard changes anything
    Quote from Banquetto >>
    Quote from YaYERZ >>
    Quote from Banquetto >>
    Oh, I'm sorry, you cloaked it in the guise of "This type of behavior is not healthy for the game and it will begin to drive away newer players that cant play these decks without shelling out money."
    Won't someone think of the children! Please, start playing horrible decks so they (not me) can win more often, and not get mega salty!
    You spelled it out clearly in your first paragraph. "Most people would rather win, or at least play something that gives them the illusion of having a higher chance of winning, instead of trying to forge their own path and create their own deck." You want to see less people playing to win because it sucks the fun out of the game for those people (not you, oh no no no!) who don't play to win.
     So not only are you full of shit but you actually have the audacity to throw words into my mouth while you are at it. You actually sat there and typed a paragraph full of assumption and baseless claims you have no way of proving . The mental gymnastics would have been pretty impressive if you didnt add your condescending douchebag personality to it as well. I think that was a little tasteless. Squirming indeed. 
    A spew of personal insults like that really doesn't do much other than convince me that I interpreted your thread quite correctly, indeed.
    I really dont understand people like you that cant grasp the idea that someone could possibly play a childs game for fun. There is no reason to refute your argument because it isnt even based on anything. Any monkey can take the words someone says and interpret it as something else. I know what I meant and I also know that I hadnt even played hearthstone the day I made this thread. I also know that I was 10-2 in ranked the day before so what exactly do I have to be salty about? I dont netdeck and I win anyway. Then when I get bored of playing against the same deck over and over again I do arena where I can actually have fun. Oh but you didnt know that did you? You have proven several times that you dont actually care what I said to begin with because it doesnt fit your narrow perspective. You admitted as much in your first post where you proceeded to go on a baseless rant. 
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    posted a message on Until 99% of the community stops netdecking I dont see how wild or standard changes anything
    Quote from IhaveT_RexArms >>

    I am kind of sick of some people blaming netdecking as the reason they are terrible at playing hearthstone. And here is why. Sure if there were no forums then good decks would take a little longer to catch on, but it would not change anything really. If I am losing to deck i take mental notes about what my opponent is doing and think about why it is working. If i like the class i will adapt some of my strategies to what is working. Sure if there was no forums or deck building/posting websites then people would have to have good memories or take pen to paper and write down what their opponent is using, but you better believe that with 30 cards in a deck it would not be hard for people to replicate decks that work really well. It is not creative sure, but the game would be the same. All the the internet has done is make it easier to do it.

    So if you think netdecking is why you are terrible at hearthstone then you are wrong. You are just bad at the game.

     You should try actually reading before typing a paragraph of nonsense 
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    posted a message on Until 99% of the community stops netdecking I dont see how wild or standard changes anything
    Quote from Banquetto >>
    Quote from YaYERZ >>
    Quote from Banquetto >>
     Agreed. Every week or two we get another installment of this crap because someone gets mega salty and wishes the rest of the playerbase would start playing horrible decks so he could win more often. Moderators should just insta-lock any thread with the word "netdeck" in subject or first post.
    If you can find me complaining about losing anywhere in this thread I will gladly accept your request of having this thread locked.
    Oh, I'm sorry, you cloaked it in the guise of "This type of behavior is not healthy for the game and it will begin to drive away newer players that cant play these decks without shelling out money."
    Won't someone think of the children! Please, start playing horrible decks so they (not me) can win more often, and not get mega salty!
    You spelled it out clearly in your first paragraph. "Most people would rather win, or at least play something that gives them the illusion of having a higher chance of winning, instead of trying to forge their own path and create their own deck." You want to see less people playing to win because it sucks the fun out of the game for those people (not you, oh no no no!) who don't play to win.
     So not only are you full of shit but you actually have the audacity to throw words into my mouth while you are at it. You actually sat there and typed a paragraph full of assumption and baseless claims you have no way of proving . The mental gymnastics would have been pretty impressive if you didnt add your condescending douchebag personality to it as well. I think that was a little tasteless. Squirming indeed. 
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    posted a message on Until 99% of the community stops netdecking I dont see how wild or standard changes anything
    Quote from Draco_Occisor >>
    Quote from YaYERZ >>
    Quote from Banquetto >>
    Quote from Chiradori >>

    What's the point of this thread if people that think netdecking is a problem won't ever change their opinions on this topic regardless of what we say ? 

     Agreed. Every week or two we get another installment of this crap because someone gets mega salty and wishes the rest of the playerbase would start playing horrible decks so he could win more often. Moderators should just insta-lock any thread with the word "netdeck" in subject or first post.
    If you can find me complaining about losing anywhere in this thread I will gladly accept your request of having this thread locked.
     I don't have a horse in this race, but that's not the point. It was an extrapolation of information meant to undermine your credibility. Why are you even taking the bait?
    Because I want to see him squirm his way out of this. If he cant then he will be exposed as someone that talks just to be heard. 
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    posted a message on Until 99% of the community stops netdecking I dont see how wild or standard changes anything
    Quote from Banquetto >>
    Quote from Chiradori >>

    What's the point of this thread if people that think netdecking is a problem won't ever change their opinions on this topic regardless of what we say ? 

     Agreed. Every week or two we get another installment of this crap because someone gets mega salty and wishes the rest of the playerbase would start playing horrible decks so he could win more often. Moderators should just insta-lock any thread with the word "netdeck" in subject or first post.
    If you can find me complaining about losing anywhere in this thread I will gladly accept your request of having this thread locked.
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    posted a message on Until 99% of the community stops netdecking I dont see how wild or standard changes anything
    Quote from Draco_Occisor >>
    Quote from achan1058 >>
    Quote from YaYERZ >>
     you're being willfully ignorant here and Im sure you are aware of that. You know just as well as I do that thousands of people didnt suddenly decide to 'create' mech mage, patron, secret pally, miracle rogue at the same time. Cmon now
     While I can't be sure about Miracle Rogue, you can bet your ass that lots of people are trying patron, mech mage, and secret pally when the respective expansions were released. It doesn't take too much brain cells to recognize that mech cards synergize with each other, and that Goblin Blastmage is a good card. From there on, it's tinkering until you get the best lists.
    Now, I have a question: Why do you guys imply that playing your own deck is a good thing to begin with? Would you go to a doctor who invents his own medicine?
     Really wish he had answered this question. It's arguably a weak analogy, but it's a good point.

    And to contribute to the discussion:

    I'm a good player.

    I'm a bad deckbuilder.

    That's why I netdeck. 

     Sigh. I never said simply building your own deck makes it inherently better and I never said netdecking makes you a better or worse player. All im advocating for is diversity. Maybe you should play your own deck because there is a greater sense of pride and joy in achieving a higher rank with your own creation? Maybe you should make your own deck to avoid those idiotic mirror matchups where two players attempt to pilot some other guys deck? Maybe so the other player doesnt begin the game already knowing every card in your deck?  Maybe you should play your own deck because anything you are copying already has a counter to it. Maybe you should make you own deck because you should use the general idea of someone else and try to create something better
    As far as the medicine analogy am I even supposed to entertain that? We are discussing a childish card game revolving around RNG and you bring up something as concrete and definite as medicine. Even the win/loss statistics of a particular deck depend on the rng of drawing the right cards, whether your knife juggler hit the right thing, etc.  If there was scientific proof, studies to back it up, and an approval by the proper authorities yes I would use it.........
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    posted a message on Until 99% of the community stops netdecking I dont see how wild or standard changes anything
    Quote from frankelee >>

    Agreed. Everyone else start playing a garbage deck... now!

     Wow thats really bizarre. A guy advocating for netdecking sheepishly responds with something that has already been said and refuted several times. Begone
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    posted a message on Until 99% of the community stops netdecking I dont see how wild or standard changes anything
    Quote from Sherman1986 >>

    Guys, even when most people netdecking is not one of the best things for the game, we can't change that and I also doubt Blizzard can do it. So, really, what is the purpose of this thread?. To call other players silly for doing so and complain about them?.

    If someone has a really good idea to improve this game for everyone, please share it, because I haven't seen one yet, and many people are just complaining here.

     I didnt realize people were being forced to copy decks this entire time. You're right. Lets close the thread. It was so foolish of me to talk to the community about netdecking possibly being bad for the community.
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    posted a message on Until 99% of the community stops netdecking I dont see how wild or standard changes anything
    Quote from zamrai >>
    Quote from YaYERZ >>

    Obviously the 99% is a made up statistic but no one that actually plays this game or understands how it works can deny that most people in ranked AND casual netdeck all of the time.

    The more I play HS (and I've been playing since closed beta) the more I realize how meaningless netdecking is. Most decks are built around such simple strategies that even a monkey without access to Internet would eventually build them, if you gave it some time. I often tweak decks to my own liking and do better than with some "90% win rate easy legend" decks hpwn advertises.

    Netdecking is heavily overrated, especially with regard to the state of the whole game.
     How is netdecking overrated when it has gotten to the point that it completely dictates the state of the game in ranked? Regardless of whether you or I find it useful, it is still employed by the vast majority of the people playing this game which means any time I play ranked it will be against the same deck more often then it isnt. When im not playing against that tier 1 deck im playing against its counter. Its incredibly boring and stale and these new game modes are nothing but a bandaid for a gaping wound. I never said netdecking was the only way to play. I never sad netdecking was the way to win and I never said this game was so difficult that you need to find help in order to win. 
    You people are acting like im saying netdecking is cheating or something when that isnt even my main argument. I wouldnt give a damn about netdecking if the community was big enough that it didnt matter and you saw more variety on the ladder. The developers obviously see a problem with this which is why they are making these game modes. Im simply saying it wont matter in the long run  if people take the same stuff that makes ranked boring and stale in the first place and transfer it to the new game modes.
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    posted a message on Until 99% of the community stops netdecking I dont see how wild or standard changes anything
    Quote from zeloheim >>

    I agree with H2050, the problem isnt "netdecking" as you call it. It's that there arent enough cards to create diverse decks, if you look at mtg they have a ton of cards which makes for unique decks popping up all the time.

    I would like to see hearthstone expand much more faster and packs containing more cards so that we can get more unique decks, also what i really want is creature type themed decks, eg samurais, pandas, elves etc but as of now theres only murlocs and pirates(sort of).  

    So until they increase the number of cards/expansion released I think the meta decks will stay around 2-3 per class, but i doubt theyll ever release larger card sets because the pack size is 5 per card and releasing sets with a bunch of cards means theyll need to change the pack size which they wont do. ever.

     Its funny how people keep saying there arent enough cards but every single expansions makes people use even less of them. Something isnt adding up here
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