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The stats of this card should be way worse, for it to be considered a tech/sideboard card. Otherwise everybody will simply find a slot for it as a vanilla 2 drop which can be really broken in the right match ups.
0/1 or 1/1 should be fine.
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Staples (minions that can fit in many decks or are musts in specific competitive archetypes, you eventually will need those):
Niche ones (good minions which can fit in some decks but aren't stapples, or are musts but in in specific lower tier decks):
King Mukla, Toshley, Neptulon, Rhonin, Varian Wrynn, Eydis Darkbane, Confessor Paletress, Eydis Darkbane and Gormok the Impaler.
Lower tier ones (they are good cards, but for meta reasons or lack of a proper archetype to shine in they aren't seen in competitive play currently):
The Mistcaller and Aviana are the only ones that I believe to be too gimmick and hard to find a proper place in the game.
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Concerning Deathlord and Pyromancer: I switched. Deathlord by it's own is a wall for aggro decks and it's a really better target for Healing Touch than using it on Pyromancer as it won't stay long on board anyway with 1 health. I also dropped one copy of Brewmaster since Brann already has a very simmilar effect - even better if you have ways to keep it safe from trades, like playing it behind a Deathlord. In it's place Tree of LIfe came back.
So, right now it's basically the same as the list above with this adjustments:
+ 2x Deathlord
+ 1x Tree of Life
- 2x Wild Pyromancer
- 1x Youthful Brewmaster
I'm still tempted to test Thalnos as it works very well with Swipe and Starfall, but the list seems pretty tight right now and I can't find any slot.
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Following the discussion here I got really tempted to test some cards, besides the ones I already mentioned. Right now Im running 2x Doomsayer and other stuff, but this are my current concerns.
- I dont really know if Pyro is that great in Druid Mill. Besides Wrath we have no other low cost spells to combo it with (Naturalize cant be played wherever we want to), and the majority of other spells are AoE that could be buffed just as fine by Thalnos.
- Im not so sure on cutting a Tree of Life for Thaurissan. The Emperor is great, and in an archetype where we sit with quite some cards in hand its assured to have great value, but overall he doesnt add so much to our game plan while ToL if played well win games.
- I really want to try Deathlord, but cant find the slots.
Heres the list
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I made a bit of changes in my list, soon I'll post it guys!
We could thing about a 'Card Choice' guide, what about?!
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Then it could be better than relying on turn 10 Poison Seeds + Pyromancer + Swipe, but in turn 10 we have more chances of assembling a 3 card combo anyway, and the Pyro remains on board.
(Of course I'm talking about alternative plays with Poison Seeds, the best combo will ever be turn 9 Poison + Starfall).
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Yep, the Explosive Sheep + Poison Seeds interaction doesn't work. Even then I see many people running it as a 1 of. I don't know if I like it because we don't have a safe way to trigger his Deathrattle like Mage so it doesn't seem to make the cut for Druid IMHO.
If it either worked with Seeds or we had some consistent way to trigger it as it hits the board (without wasting lot of cards like playing Sheep + Pyromancer + Spell) then it could be a solid 2x.
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Saraad seems an interesting choice, its a must answer minion and if unchecked you are assured to get some value out of it since we spend many turns Hero Power'ing. Also it helps to refill our hands without milling ourselves, you get relevant spells on average?
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The single issue is that besides Thaurissan there aren't many others targets for hard removal and the Lumberer won't stay too long on board, maybe add some other threats?
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If I remember it correctly Hotform plays a Druid Mill with both Deathlord and Sludge Belcher alongside the Pyromancer package (which consist in a bunch of mediocre AoE spells such as Swipe, Starfall and so on), it seems fine and goes aligned with your idea that spell heavy Druid isn't the best idea.
I guess it's true indeed. The idea of not having many minions which makes most of our opponents removal useless only makes sense for lists which has more aggressive Mill - otherwise it makes very little difference and trying to trade stuff with our subpar spells has been a really hard task in the current meta.
Having said that, I cut off a Ooze and a BGH for the sake of 2x Doomsayer. Besides huge Oil combos weapons aren't an issue for our lists, and as much of a tempo swing that a well place BGH may be, at turn 7+ we are more likely to have other answers to Boom and others. Handlock MU may get a little worse, but that's fine.
Now, concerning Doomsayer I guess that you answered yourself: it's all about good timing. Against aggro it may be a great turn 2~3 play, against an empty board in mid to late Control game it basically creates a Time Walk effect, and so on.
About the Handlock match up: how to deal against (relatively speaking) fast Mountain Giant/Twilight Drakes openings? A good Lock player would totally play around our mass removal by pressuring with a single Giant or Drake, while our answers seems poor besides trying to burn those minions before the actually play/draw it, which is unlikely anyway since they will usually keep it in their opening hand.
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It feels like Doomsayer doesn't belong to Mill Druid. How to use it effectively? I have experience using it solely in Freeze lists, but even then I have a hard time figuring the best timing for a Doomsayer with no Frost Nova/Blizzard to combo with.
Also, I really prefer FoN over Starfire, since it has 1 more damage and can be divided between 3 targets. The draw from Starfire can be quite the drawback for this archetype, am I wrong?
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Now, I play Mill Druid since the hype from Natural Remedies' list and only tried a bit of Rogue Mill this season and did much better with the Rogue version. I thought that since Druid's relies more in survivability and drag much more the game it was more difficult to play.
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First concerning Justicar itself. For a grinding play style like Mill's the bonus from Justicar has really good value: we get some welcomed extra survivability with the 2 armor while also rising our capacity to board control by just HPing into small or previously damaged minions.
Within Mill strategy there are many turns where we end up just with HP and pass, Justicar makes this kind of plays considerably better as well. Currently among the most successful control decks both Warrior and Priest are running her, the closest thing to a Control Druid is our dear Mill.
Now, about Deathlord: I really like this card and run it in my Rogue Mill, but I don't know if we can outright compare it with Justicar. Justicar isn't used in Rogue Mill due to a rather weaker HP, while Deathlord is used cause on top of being a wall for Aggro decks it also helps slightly in Mill Rogue's game plan which is much more aggressive than Druid's.