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Why playing elven archer when kraken deal 4 damages in battlecry? Emperor vek lor really? 2 little taunt when you can get more with other cards without taking the risk of non-having 10 attack on c'thun?
I think you should check again your deck, there is a lot of non optimized cards. Just don't forget than all minions cost 1 so look at similar effects in big minions :)
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A New Legendary Crafting Tier List Has Appeared!
The ratings in the thread are more than my opinion, they are opinions of people I know, myself and popular Steamers such as Trump, Reynad, Sjow, etc. I am ranking the Cards in Tiers/Brackets I am doing this because it is impossible to rate them from 1 to X.
This is not a tier list of the best Legendaries, this is a Crafting Tier list. This list is used to find out which Legendaries to craft and Disenchant. Arena and non-competitive play have no bearing on this list.
I have arranged the Legendaries this way to not only show their importance in constructed but also to inform readers on how/why they are useful. If you have any questions about the tier list ask them, if you believe the tier list should be changed in any way, PM me.
Remember: If you would like to know what Legendary to craft, please include the decks you play and the decks you are going to play. This is necessary and someone can help you a lot easier.
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Strongest Legendaries used in a variety of decks or are staple for competitive play. (The ones to craft)
Expert Set
Old Gods Expansion
Tech legendaries that can be replaced. (Craft for Specific reasons)
Expert Set
Old Gods Expansion
One Night in Karazhan
Cards that are usable, but see little play and can be replaced easily(keep for specific reasons)
These Legendaries are usually out of meta and weird tech choices that you probably will not see anymore but are still viable options that may be playable later.
Expert Set
Old Gods Expansion
One Night in Karazhan
Legendaries that are too weak to see competitive play (Disenchant)
Expert Set
Old Gods Expansion
The Boogeymonster
Shifter Zerus
Nat, the Darkfisher
Mukla, Tyrant of the Vale
Cho'gall
Herald Volazj
Anomalus
Deathwing, Dragonlord
One Night in Karazhan
Prince Malchezaar
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Fandral dies to a damn sneeze, stop acting like its going to stick long enough so you can play this weak DK the hero power should give a minion +2 att or +3hp something new and fresh.
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Hungry Crab meta incoming? LULZ
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Brodesaurus: 4 mana 4/4
Whenever an RNG effect happens, it has either the best or worst possible outcome and Brodesaurus explains why it's good for the game.
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Un'Goro Crater is an anagram of Turn Core Agro.
I know your plan, Blizzard.
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I know it's kinda lame but I'll be happy to see that little pack with that yellow ribbon on it sitting there waiting for me to unpack it in April.... It's probably going to be the only time I'll ever see my pack number be more than "0" for more than 10 seconds....
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I like turtles
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Why's everyone talking about being a stealth mech for magnetic synergies and shudderwock, if it is basically Valeera the Hollow's battlecry? It gives your hero stealth, doesnt it? The wording on those two is the same.
Edit: I see now, Valeera is a hero card, that's why it gives stealth to itself, being a hero. Ye, I was wrong.
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Ive seen a lot of people arguing about which DK is the best one, but i dont think it's the right way, as different people have variable playstyles, and sometimes it's hard to find the ultimate one. So, I decided to create three votes, as in similiar topics there are numerous opinions about "DK1 > DK2 > DK3". So lets try to fond out which opinion is supperior.
P.S. Basically, top-3 of your choice. Dont pick up the same DK multiple times for obvious reasons.
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Greetings. I would like to present you my job that ive been doing for like 10 months now. I write legendary reviews, but they are not exact crafting guides. I try to point out the powerful sides of cards, possible usage and drawbacks. Some of you may already know me, as a lot of people liked my reviews and followed me here. In this thread i would like to enlarge my audience. My goal is to make review that help people decide wether it is worths crafting or disenchanting a legendary. So yeah, mostly for newcommers and those who are struggling to decide wether "to dust or not to dust". Hope you will enjoy them. If you do, leave a thumb up on those which you enjoyed and follow me in my profile to stay up to date.
Timeful Update: I've started working on adapting my old reviews to the current state, so the first one was Harrison Jones. Hope you like it and find meaningful!
Here is the current list of my reviews(Links):
Expert set:
Neutral ones: Harrison Jones / The Black Knight
Old outdated reviews(for curiousity reasons):
The Expert Set:
Neutral legendaries: Onyxia | Baron Geddon | Malygos | Deathwing | Bloodmage Thalnos | Cairne Bloodhoof | Leeroy Jenkins| Harrison Jones |Sylvanas | Ysera | Ragnaros | Alexstrasza | The Black Knight
Class ones: Al'Akir the Windlord | King Krush | Cenarius | Edwin VanCleef | Archmage Antonidas | Tirion Fordring | Jaraxxus | Prophet Velen[Remastered in 26.10.2016] |Grommash Hellscream
The Whispers of the Old Gods Set:
Neutral legendaries: N'Zoth | Soggoth
Other Expansions:
| Kel'Thuzad | Arch-Thief Rafaam |
Note: Some of them may not be great, because of being old or being the first ones in my duty.
P.S. At the moment I plan doing WOG-set legendaries. After i do all i plan, i will create a poll for other ones. So dont request any other legendaries. Yet.
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Hello, fellows. This time I'm remaking The Blck Knight. It used to be very rarely seen card, which really shined like in Naxx times, when half of matches contained Sludge Belchers, Deathlords and other popular these times taunts. Then meta got switched to high-tempo-aggro side, and this card faded away out of common edge. A lot of people said that BK would rise after WOG, as it had a lot of taunts. It didn't. It was used a few times, though.
Anyway, let's talk about it's current position. It is still very unpopular, just because most of tier 1 or 2 decks dont have at least medium taunts. Mages, warlocks, pirate warriors dont utilise them mostly, or if they do, it's like 1-2 taunt per deck, which makes your The Black Knight very unreliabl. A lot of ties my enemy played like Bog Creeper, for example, and i couldnt draw my BK for 3-5 turns. And thenI drow him, when enemy has no taunts at all for the rest of the game. This unreliability makes this card unpopular tech. Nowadays cards should have multipurpose or not-high drawbacks. Like a card could be playable on a board just to conquest the board, to threat, or to fulfill its purpose. BK has 2 mana tempo loss, which is quite terrible. If he destroys at least 4 mana taunt, his tempo is huge, as for 2mana you deal 4-x damage, ignoring divine shields. Otherwise this card is very poor to play with no battlecry.
Nowadays Taunt Warrior is somewhat popular, so against those BK should always find a valuable target to destroy, for example Direhorn Matriarch. Stonehilldefender is also seen in decks, which justifies that your opponent gonna pick quite a big taunt minion. Tirion Fordring is as popular as it's always beenm but Ashbringer kills BK, unless you Ooze it. And N'Zoth, the Corruptor still can bring some deathrattle-taunts back,which is gonna hurt. Primordial Drake is another big and popular taunt, so it's another target for our taunt-hater. Tar Creeper sees a lot of play, and this it quite decent taunt to be killed, as it would otherwise hurt your minions for 3, and require 5 damage to get rid of. Some elementals who grant taunts are also in rare use, so against those playing The Black Knight can give you the upper hand, but such matchups are pertty rare as well.
Aggro decks dont really use taunt, so these matchups will make you hate The Black Knight, because instead of him you could have drawn an AOE, healing, your taunt minion or another tool to sustain.
So, time to make a conclusion about about this card at this meta. Overall it's unreliable,as i said, because you either meet decks that have 0-2 taunts, which you cant counter if you dont draw the BK, obviously, and this happens to me like most of the time, when i try using this card. Or those minions are just too small to make you satisfied for playing the tech. Against some matchups it can be a very good tempo turn, but those ones are pretty rare. So, Do I craft it? No, this card is not essential for your collection at the moment. Do I dust it? If you are ready to humiliate yourself playing only cancer, aggro decks not bellow tier 1-2, you dont need such cards. Dust it with no doubts and craft more face/zoo types of cards, get easy wins, Legend and be happy. Other people who can have fun experimenting with decks, keep in mind that in future expansions meta can chage, there will be taunts that can make people use The Black Knight in decks, who knows. I personally have it golden, it has pretty neat burping, just in case it starts being popular.
If you enjoyed this one, here is the thread of all my reviews, if you would like to hear my opinion about other legendary cards:
DarkDenius' Legendary reviews
P.S. My older review, which is one year old.
Greetings. As I promised, The Black Knight review would come after some time of the new meta. I think now i can review it as it is.
A little backstory. I was paying attention to that card's popularity before and after the WOG. That legendary used to be around 1.45-1.85% of deck presence in a while, but after the announcement of new expansion's taunts its popularity raised to 3.42% in one week and to 5.52% in another. I think it's a great number, if you are somehow familiar with statistics.
Now, time for my usual-styled review. I crafted this card right after expansion arrival, and that was kinda a good decision. If you already have all neutral top-tier legendaries and dont need class ones, The Black Knight may be your crafting choice. It really helps you to sustain most of druid decks, as they run several huge taunts(C'Thun druid runs 5-7, just for note), so most of the time you will have a target for its battlecry. Against shaman it may help you with dealing with random-Evolved taunts, Thing from Below and some others. Some warlocks also run Defender of Argus, Sunfury Protector, so her you have usae of Black Knight. Against Paladin you will be happy to get rid of Tirion Fordring, but then The Black Knight will just die from Ashbringer. Still acceptable, ciuse it's 1 less durability of the weapon. Against Hunters it will be useful to destroy Misha or a Houndmastered beast.
Against C'Thun decks, that are very popular at the moment, it may be handy if they play Twilight Geomancer, as a future answer to taunted Old God, or to get rid of Crazed Worshipper, Twin Emperor Vek'lor. So, as you can see, this card will find a good place in control or defensive midrange decks.
About tempo of this card: If it has its battlecry applied, your tempo is great, because you play Chillwind Yeti for 4 mana and destroy enemy taunt(which costs at least 4 mana) for 2 mana. But if you drop it just for a minion on a board(which i wouldnt recommend in any case, unless you are sure that you won't face a taunt in your match), it is just a 2 mana waste. Not a big loss, but unpleasant.
Now, the disadvantages that i discovered. This card is useful, but still very situational. THere are a lot of times when you have perfect target for it, but you just cant draw it. And then you draw it when there is nothing to kill. Very awkward situations, but they have place.
Against aggro it's a dead card. Maybe against some kind of Evolve-aggro shaman or hunter with Houndmasters it would somehow work, but it's too slow in such matchups. Against freeze-mage or miracle rougue it won't help you either.
So, to sum up, i would say that this legendary is useful, no doubt, but he is very meta-oriented and situational. If its all about high aggression and tempo, you better not to run him(As used to be before WOG), so it's not an universal tech. It can be somewhat substituted with Sylvanas Windrunner, becuase she can steal a pesky taunt, not just destroy it. (Personally, i prefer running both in my control decks, to have more answers to enemy threats).As i said, if you worried about crafting it, check first if you have all nessessary top-tier legendaries, or if you really face a lot of unpleasant taunts. If your answer is positive, go ahead and craft him, because he is a part of the Expert set and always will be Standart-acceptable. WOG has revived this legendary to what it was back in these days.
UPDATE: Hail the aggro-zoo meta. This legendary now is in even worse place than it used to be before WOG. People wanna go face, no need in taunts.
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Hello again. After all this time of silence I've finally decided to rewrite my old outdated reviews, so the first one of those will be Harrison Jones. Now,one year later, the situation regard weapons has changed a bit. Back in those days there were Doomhammers, Lord Jaraxxus's forks, Spirit Claws, Gorehowls as weapons you see in every second-third matchup. Removing such monstrosities was be a very huge tempo swing, as it basically removed 2-8 charges off weapon, while developing akind of solid body, that could contest board control. But it was like one year ago. What do we have now? Most weapons are played before Harrison Jones even playable in terms of mana, and by the time he is played, they have already worn off.
Pirate warrior is the only deck that uses more than 1-2 weapons, but against those this card is VERY slow. their weapons have 2 charges, one of which is spent on your face right away, and even if they Upgrade! it, they still have 1 charge. And they have bunch of pirates on board. It's not affordable only to destroy a weapon for 5 mana. If you spend your turn 4-6 on such, it will do nothing. They might just equip another weapon,and still ve able to play more stuff on board. In such matchup Gluttonous Ooze, Acidic Swamp Ooze, or even Bloodsail Corsair, which also brings Patches the Pirate are better choices in terms of mana flexibility. For the difference of 3 mana you can heal, play a taunt or another creature to contest board, or play something else to help you hold up. Such turns make it better for you, as tempo is better than 5/4 that drows a card and removes 1 charge.
Alright, Shaman. People are hyped about Doomhammer removal. No. Just no. This weapon is no longer a thing, as Rockbiter Weapon was nerfed, so shamans had stopped using it, same as Doomhammer itself. I havent seen this weapon in about half a year. THis is not the thing you see every shaman matchup, so dont worry about it. Spirit Claws got nerfed as well,so most of shmans had refused to use this too. Typical weapon we see is Jade Claws. Still only 2 charges, but some slower shamans might hold up both charges, if you have nothing they can kill on board. In this case drowing 2 cards and playing 5/4 would be somewhat valueable, but keep in bind spell damaged Lightning Bolt, Jade Lightning, that can kill your Harrison and develop higher tempo.
Hunters dont play many secrets, so the time when they could have 3-4 charged Eaglehorn Bow has passed. Still 1 charge costly removal issue I'm talking about.
Paladins still run Tirion Fordring. Moreover, they seem to like Stonehill Defender, which help them discover one or two additional Tirions, and N'Zoth, the Corruptor still resummons them. In such matchups Harrison Jones does not seem as a slow card, and chance of drawing him when your opponent has Ashbringer equipped is significantly higher. Also, drawing 1-2 cards(they always swing at least 1 time just to push damage and avoid full value of stuff like Acidic Swamp Ooze, which is kinda popular). So in such matchups Jones is a good tech. But it's the only matchup, and Paladin is not that top tier deck everybody would play.
There is some diversities in Priest, Mage and Warlock decks, that try to use Medivh, the Guardian, but it's single exeption rather than a rule. So counting on that in these matchups and hold Harrison just to have a chance to remove Atiesh is pointless, if it costs you tempo loss.
So, which decks would play Harrison Jones rather than Oozes and pirates? I may suppose, druids. They have Innervates to enlarge mana poolfor high tempo swings, they dont have that good draw sources, and still have troubles with answers. But, honestly, Druid of the Claw would make it better, as 6 health is more than most of weapons' attacks, so additional spell/minion would be required to pass throuh it, it can be played on full board, or an empty board with no tempo loss, and overall better. It doesn't draw cards situationally, though. The purpose of these cards are different, i agree, but keep in mind that druid has some 5-mana cards that he often uses, so addition of even more of those can negatively impcat your curve and tempo, unless you run heavy ramp cards.
Mages could play that, as they have Ice Block, Ice Barrier that they play usually before turn 5, and they appreciate draw for further tools or sustain measures. But i still see no mages who would play Harrison Jones.
So, in conclusion, I would make a statement that this card is not that important. It potentially looks very cool and excititng. This thing forced me to craft it just for my collection, and i had been using it, but then stopped due to realising it was kinda slow. I found better tools overall in my decks. So, Do you craft it? No, unless you want to complete expert set legendaries. Do you dust it? Probably not. There might be an expansionthat changes the meta, bringing cool weapons and slowing things down, but at the current moment, and past times we haven't seen this card beind demandful that much.
If you enjoyed this one, here is the thread of all my reviews, if you would like to hear my opinion about other legendary cards:
DarkDenius' Legendary reviews
P.S. Here is my old review, that was written 1 year ago(almost perfectly). You can read this if you are curious how he was doing in past.
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Timeful update: I've started working on adaptation of my old reviews to the current state, so the first one was Harrison Jones. Hope you like it and find meaningful!
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Hey, fellows, Ive been studying hard all this time, so had no time and desire to do anything here. Soon i will become free, so im thinking about updating(like,completely re-writting) my expert set legendaries, as it's been a while since my old reviews, and a lot of them are no longer actual. So, what do you think? Do I need to help the newcommers in Un'Goro meta with crafting experts? Maybe some of you wonder whether cards are still popular/trash nowadays. I made a poll about it, so feel free to give your feedback onthis idea,
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So,N'Zoth, the Corruptor is a thing, i suppose. At the start we have 2/2, then it upgrades to 6/6, t, which remains 10/10 in your hand, hen The Octopuss summons 6/6 that adds the second 10/10, AND it summons the 2/2, that gets into 6/6, heading to the third 10/10 in your hand. And then you play 3x 10/10s in a row. It reminds me of a weird wicked jade-like stuff. Pretty solid against control and heavy midrange, too slow versus aggro decks. But still a cool thing to try, i guess.
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So, as Ive got it, if you own a golden and a normal version of this card, you will recieve only the golden value as dust, while keeping the dust. So, i made some math about investing dust and profit from the whole "event". Basically, the most efficient way in terms of "Dust gained" divided on "Dust spent" is crafting golden Rag and Sylvanas, while keeping the normal ones. Why so? Well, lets say you currently own normal Rag and normal Sylvy. You collect dust to craft their golden versions without touching regulars, so after the countdown to the Mammoth Year ends, you recieve 3200 dust for each golden version, and you still have normals.
So, what do you do next? There are two branches: profitable and aesthetical. In the first way you dust your goldens, and get additional 1600 dust for each, 3200 pure profit in total, and you still have regulars to play with in the Wild, the second direction you just dust the regulars, so you basically convert regulars into normals with 400 dust profit for each(considering you didnt dust them to craft goldens, as i said). The thing is, that if you crafted those cards, you spent 1600 for regular, 3200 for golden, equals 4800, then got 3200 refund, and then dusted the regular one, got 400. So, -1200 dust, if you didnt get those from packs. Basically, i advice you to choose the profit line if you crafted those, in that case you cover your 1600 dust spent on normal one by disenchanting the golden card after the refund as been applied, while keeping the card.
As you can see, you either get the dust from crafted normals back while keeping it, ir you upgrade your regular legendaries into golden one with a flavor.
What about non-legendary cards?
I calculated the following thing: if you craft both golden copues, while owning the eegulars, you need 800+800+800+1600 = 4000 dust, and it will grant you 500 dust profit. I agree that this is not that inpressive to spend 4000 to get 4500. You still can only manipulate with the legendaries. Spending 6400, recieving 3200 of profit. In total, the entire thing can give ypu 3700 dust, if you own 10400 dust, which is 35% profit rate of the original, or you can just stop at 6400 dust, recieving 3200, which is 50% rate. Its up to you whether you would like to invest further dust for less major profit.
Hope this will help to clear the consideration of the large investment nessessarity, if you ponder about it.
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Seems they've finally reaslised that the current game designer Ben Brode has no clue about balance in his game.