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That Drogon understood the complexities of Dany and the Iron Throne without having seen any of it felt a bit of a stretch but OK, Dragons are intelligent and magical so sure.

But how did Grey Worm not just instantly execute Jon on the spot? Like he would care about the Northern response. I was sure Jon would instantly be dead, as he is far too honorable to try and get away or something like that.

My own version:

I did image the entire thing to end differently due to vast conflicting differences between Jon and Dany and Jon being too honorable (just like Ned) to kill her for the sake of everyone else. I also would have preferred Rhaegal to have died in the Battle of King's Landing to give a Dany a more acceptable reason for snapping and giving some more realistic credit to the scorpions.

I imagined that between Jon and Dany the conversation would lead to Jon outright stating he cannot follow a queen that would burn cities to the ground that had already surrendered and were full of innocent people (and then Jon would be far more emotional and fuming about it). Dany would in turn consider him a traitor for it and try and have him executed in the Great Hall (to also ensure he can never take the throne from her as Aegon). Naturally Dany would use Drogon for this, but this time, Drogon (knowing Jon and seeing Dany act strangely) would hesitate, causing Dany to maddingly scream to burn Jon. The Northern forces present would try to intervene but are held back by Unsullied and Dothraki. Drogon now sees the madness in Dany's eyes and outright refuses to burn Jon, sending Dany over the edge that her own dragon won't listen to her.

Ordering Grey Worm to do it instead, Drogon then gets in between (as Jon is also a Targaryen) to defend him. Dany, lost in madness, orders Grey Worm to kill Jon anyway, causing Drogon to knock him away and the Unsullied to raise theirs spears against him. Drogon then looks at Dany, tearfully wondering if she would truly let them harm him. With Jon still in danger, Drogon lets Jon mount him and tries to slowly move away, causing Dany to get up and scream to the Unsullied to kill Jon, making them attack. Drogon angrily attacks back and burn some of them. Seeing how far her mother is now gone, Drogon whimperingly but with fury locks faces with Dany before melting the Iron Throne with his fire and moving off. Jon sees the Northern forces from Drogon's back and orders them to retreat and leave the city. With Drogon now effectively on Jon's side, the Unsullied and Dothraki can't prevent them from doing so.

Jon, having had more than enough of fighting and bloodshed, falls back to far outside of King's Landing with the Northern forces and Drogon, hoping that without Drogon and only half of the Unsullied and Dothraki (due to the Battle of Winterfell) that Dany can't make good on her vision of ruling the world. Jon orders the Northern forces to make camp some distance away from King's Landing and together with Drogon mourns the loss of the Dany they knew and loved.

Dany, fuming at the thought that her own dragon switches sides (to Jon of all people) only worsens her condition and sees them all as traitors. Grey Worm (still alive as Drogon only knocked him away) comes up with a plan to attack the Northern camp under cover of night, sneaking into the camp and bringing her Jon's head. The few remaining Dothraki would wait outside the camp and ensure no one escapes. Even though Jon now has Drogon and the Northern forces are still formidable, both Grey Worm and Dany are clearly lost to rage and Dany agrees to the plan.

During the following night, the Unsulled begin to sneak into the camp, killing anyone who may give them away. Grey Worm finds the main tent that is Jon's but finds it empty. Jon was unable to sleep with everything that had happened and is wondering outside the camp with his thoughts. Hearing some noises, he begins to return to the camp and is quickly spotted by the Unsullied. Before he can alert his men, Grey Worm throws his spear at him, which Jon can't completely dodge and is hit in the shoulder. Suddenly Drogon roars loudly, having been nearby covered by the darkness. His roar wakes up all the Northen men and a big melee ensures. Drogon defends Jon from any Unsullied as Davos and some Northern men reach Jon and tend to him as they see the Dothraki joining in with the Unsullied.

With Unsullied/Dothraki and Northerners mixed together in a big melee, Drogon can only effectively defend Jon as breathing fire would burn down the Northern troops as well. Jon sees this and has Davos order the Northern men to try and come together and form something of a battle line to give Drogon patches of Unsullied/Dothraki to target. This works only partially due to the chaos of combat but eventually Drogon is able to pick off enough Unsullied/Dothraki to force a stalemate as both sides begin to form battle lines.

With the Unsullied having failed to kill them all in their sleep, Jon (injured but alive) struggles to get near the front and orders Grey Worm to stand down, noting that Drogon will burn him and all of the Unsullied and Dothraki if he doesn't and that there has been far too much bloodshed already. Jon tries to appeal to Grey Worm that Dany has gone mad and that it should end here. Grey Worm, still competely loyal to Dany and tired of Jon's words and attempts at what he sees as weakness, throws another spear at Jon in defiance, but only hits another Northerner. Before Jon can even say anything, the enraged Northeners attack the Unsullied and Drogon burns the Unsullied/Dothraki rear with his fire.

By early dawn, Jon with the remaining Northenerns and Drogon stand victorious but again at a massive loss of life. Jon is still being tended too, looking completely (heart)broken having seen so much unneeded slaughter at the hands of his former love. With Dany now only having a token force to defend herself with and no dragon, Davos urges Jon to finish it for the sake of everyone. Jon clearly still struggles with the thought but realizes there is no other way and has his remaining forces and Drogon march back towards King's Landing.

Once there the remaining Unsullied still loyally attempt to defend their queen but are swiftly defeated. To Jon's surprise, what few Dothraki still remain are nowhere to be seen. As Jon and his forces move towards the Great Hall, Dany's screams and ravings slowly become louder and Jon's remaining composure begins to fall apart. Finding Dany sitting next to the smoldered mess that was once the Iron Throne and Drogon arriving through the massive gap in the Great Hall, Jon tells her tearfully that it's over. Dany, shaking and with madness and tiredness clearly in her eyes loudly raves to Jon at first but then aims her fury at Drogon. Screaming that he betrayed her and that it's all his fault and even throwing some rocks at him, Drogon can only whimper at his mother's painful and crazed behavior.

As Jon nears, one hand on Longclaw, Dany screams at him to do it, to murder his own queen in front her only remaining child (Drogon). Crying, Jon instead just hugs her, knowing full well that Dany is no longer any threat just by herself without no forces to command. As Dany raves and cries he orders Davos to put her in chains and lock her away, falling to the floor in despair with Drogon nearing in shared grief.

Jon then gathers with the remaining leaders and noblemen and discuss the future as a temporary new council. While many want Dany's head, Jon strongly denies this, once again stating that there has been enough killing and that Dany is no longer any threat and will remain in captivity under heavy guard for all time. The council then turns to who should now be king. Jon immediately states he never wanted the throne, even noting that there isn't even an Iron Throne to begin with. The council quickly notes however that many saw Jon trying to stop the carnage in King's Landing, is popular with both his men and the people and that many of the people believe that he is the one who stopped Dany by taking Drogon away from her. The people want him and Davos reminds him that if he wants to ensure peace and stop any further bloodshed, taking the throne is the best way to do it. Knowing Davos is right, Jon reluctantly accepts and is crowned King of the Seven Kingsdoms, ending hostilities and bringing peace to the realm.

 Okay, that went on a bit longer than expected. Oh well.

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Drogon flew up there, saw Dany with a knife sticking out of her chest, then spots the chair made of swords and puts two and two together :^)

I also think the dragon liked Jon, iirc he was the only one to fly one except Dany herself. If dragons are intellegent, they would also understand the monstrosity he comitted on Dany's orders and understand why Jon did what he did.

We do not know that much about the relation dragon/mother anyway.

What I disliked most was the disaster of the Night King battle episode and the lack of explaination of both why Dany went crazy and why Jon and Tyrion kept following her for so long.

Also, what is the thing with using big armies as meatshields right OUTSIDE city walls? I understand it from a visual point of view but come on...

I still cannot understand why Jon was resurrected. Where is the point on doing something like that without giving any simple reason in all seasons that followed?

Where is the reason for giving all this focus on the Many-faced God without resolving anything impactful around it. And Arya killing the Night King has nothing to do with that. Or at least we were not given any clues for it.

The Three-Eyed raven. Used in the worst ways as a “deus ex machina” to finish plot lines. They've spent 4 seasons around this and it ended up in giving Bran the throne. Bran, who keeps and monitors the history and memories of all humanity’s ages. And now he will bother ruling the petty kingdoms? Pointless. Stupid. Surreal…

At least D&D achieved something unique. They’ve managed to give the most surreal ending in such a surreal world. For this I give them credit.

I don't understand why so many actors had previously said that the final episode was a bit bittersweet, I mean in terms of quality it was completely bitter and if we're speaking about the plot it was disgustingly sweet, and senseless. Things just don't add up.

Beginning with that post-shortest-winter-ever council, with all the characters they forgot to develop/introduce. Who gets to take part in that meeting? the current leaders of each kingdom? every 'important' house leader in Westeros? I failed to understand who some of them were and why each of them was entitled to vote for a new king (why the man who protects the young Arryn gets also a vote? was Sir Davos aware of this script nonsense by telling the rest his doubts about his own right to vote?)

And all of this directed by Tyrion the prisoner. As many people have mentioned already, the consequences of Tyrion and Jon respective betrayals are utterly ludicrous as well as the development of Greyworm character, from good to evil to directly stupid in just 2 episodes. Why would any of the Unsullied agree on Jon being send to a brotherhood they, as foreigners, should not know a lot about, as a rightful punishment for having murdered their queen??? Let alone the Dohtraki absence of reaction at all. 

And then, the new status of the sev..six kingdoms, WTF Samsa, they have just named your brother king and you make that dirty move of demanding independence? and of course your brother agrees with it. Not even the revolutionary Greyjoys or the generic prince of Dorne have a problem with that? (Yara just spoke to express her absolute support to the mass murder of the last episode and demand Jon's head, not understandable at all tbh) But yeah sure, go your own way, northeners, it's not like you have been playing an important role in Westeros politics or hold any responsibility about any of what has happened south of the North. The northern people are just too noble to be part of the dirty politics of the kingdoms a Stark is supposed to rule from now on. Just take those good-hearted men of yours that came south rooting for a genocide and didn't think twice to start sacking the capital and raping women and let them go on with their lives peacefully, they clearly deserve it. Several tyrants have been defeated and all this people seem to agree on starting a new and more democratic way of ruling that avoids (very arguably) the mistakes of the past. All of them except Samsa who is dead set on starting her own dictatorial regime up north.

And then we get to watch all of the way too many surviving main characters succeeding on their respective careers while some 80's pop hit sounds in the background (this last one thing might've only happened in my head)...THE END...?

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Nerf Hollywood. Grumble Grumble.

"Three Cheers for Sansa who always treated Jon like garbage for being a Bastard and was noticeable angry when the North chose him as king instead of her. Even after he just almost gave his life taking Winterfell back for her.

The when he went back with Dannerys never stopped conspiring against her, (both who fought and lost once again to protect winterfell and stop the zombies while she did jack shit) and immediately betray his trust by proclaiming Jon as the one true king. Not because of his best interest but because of hers.

Shot out to Bran, Catelyn's favorite who has being secretly orchestrating all of this to become King of Westeros. Knowing the heavy turmoil it will take Jon to kill the person he loves and letting hundreds of innocent people burns to death.

And who can forget Arya Stark, Jon's closest sister. She is all about remembering Jon that he is also a Stark and that family must take close, only to get the hell out of Winterfell and do whatever he wants, then have the balls to say she won't even visit him while he is punished by the actions he was coerced into doing.

The Starks send their regards. " 

Credits to u/Summerclaw . So true lol.

When Davos said Gray Worm "go to Reach and start your own house" was he mocking him, or just ignorant?; he seemed very serious about that. The comedic bits seem to be the best part of last episode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsQ78qTFrpA

This season was such a huge letdown, it's a waste of time to even criticise it. The only thing I liked was ep 3 for it's atmosphere and action (not saying it made a lot of sense!) and Clagenebrawl obviously.

I hate the ending of Game of Thrones 3 weeks before the first episode starts.

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The season and especially the finale was a fucking travesty.. and GRRM is the only one who can redeem it if he ever gets around to it.

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The season and especially the finale was a fucking travesty.. and GRRM is the only one who can redeem it if he ever gets around to it.

GRRM has his own mess in the books that he wrought upon himself.  Too many characters and plotlines, I worry that completing it is hopeless.  However, maybe after watching the wreck that the final seasons were, it might get him up to the task.

On a side note, has anyone mentioned (here or on another site) how the wildlings were walking like the undead wights on the very final shots of the episode?  And that the shots of them heading North were just a liiittle too long, as if the producers were trying to make a point.  Just the general frame of the shot with them disappearing into a haze amongst the trees was very wight-like.

I mean, at this point anything in the story is possible, so why not foreshadow a return of Jon as the Night King , because... of course.  Just so long as they explain how Jon went from a Stark to the Night King in under 2 episodes.  

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When Davos said Gray Worm "go to Reach and start your own house" was he mocking him, or just ignorant?; he seemed very serious about that

The writers probably just forgot he was a eunuch or how eunuchs work.  I wouldn't put it past them after they forgot that the Ironborn have a democratic system to elect their leaders yet Yara thought Sam's proposal of creating democracy was hilarious

Yeah at first it was just copying the first scene of the first episode but it felt more than that.. like you said it was trying to foreshadow that it will just happen all over again.

And now Sophie Turner is going off on fans being "disrespectful".

First of all, I have zero respect for the show writers.  They deserve none.

Second of all, who are you and where would you be without Game of Thrones fans?  Aren't you about to make a movie around one of the most famous comic book story lines of all time, despite being panned universally as a block of wood on screen?

Not that you need me to tell you this, but don't go see Dark Phoenix.  The way things are going, it'll be rebooted in ten years anyway.

I enjoyed episode 3 and epidoe 5 well enough - I know y'all here were sounding off on them - but I had already accepted they were rushing the show, it was obvious two episodes into the previous season, let alone this one. I accepted Dany's fall to madness, predicted it in fact.

But after the finale, damn...

This was a show that built up Stannis' rise and fall over nearly 5 seasons. This last season everything was rushed, but the finale took it to new levels, yet found plenty of time for characters to just stand around in silence, smelling their own farts. The creatoirs forgot how to pace a show and so fell abck on this gimmick, it didn't work. The direction of the plot was fine, but damn, did they mess it up truncating it all. "It wasn't what you said, it was how you said it".

Real let down for what was once the best thing on TV. GoT should have gone down as a cultural phenomenon for the ages, arguably the highpoint of television itself. They completely blew it. No fault of the actors involved, they did their best :(

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Real let down for what was once the best thing on TV. GoT should have gone down as a cultural phenomenon for the ages, arguably the highpoint of television itself. They completely blew it. No fault of the actors involved, they did their best :(

 Totaly correct. The creators had a chance to make history. The only thing they eventualy managed to achieve is to make something that will be studied as a "what not to do"...

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And now Sophie Turner is going off on fans being "disrespectful".

 

 Yeah, espicially since she reduces all criticism to "people don't like the ending". It is true that an ending is never going to satsify everyone but the main problem people had with the season from what I have read is the way we get there. 

Casey Bloys ("programming" president of HBO) pretty much said the same PR Bullshit, without saying anything meaningful to respond to the people who were unhappy. I have grown to rely despise this streamlined marketing/PR speech BS, because it never feels like an actual interaction between customer and corporation as equals but more like the conversation between a parent and a child, who doesn't now better.

So after 543 posts about how disapointing GOT ended nobody even tried to compare the series to Hearthstone. Far fetched? Well it is how you look at it.

GOT is all about  the confrontation between those with a moral compass with those who don't. John Snow had a huge moral compass, Cersei, all about power and its retention, doesnt even know what it means. And then you have the even more dangerous and repulsive in between party: those who talk about freedom and love, but in the end are as power hungry and ruthless as Cersei was (Daenerys).

If these types of people collide you can see the result even on a forum like this. Power hungry, face is the place types demands and get what they want. A mindless, low skill, low strategy, aggressive, burn, buff meta. With Drogon as RPS of GOT.

Those who want to do the right thing; with a moral compass in terms of skill based strategies are like Snow send to the Wall. Disappointment is what people feel when they realise the uneasiness of being as repulsive as Daenerys. 

Maybe like Arya, those who represent the House of the Wolve should sail West leaving HS behind.

I finally found the time to watch the final episode.

Well at this point i got immunity to disappointment. I was expecting an rushed, stupid and full of plot holes ending...and got just that. Mkay.

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So after 543 posts about how disapointing GOT ended nobody even tried to compare the series to Hearthstone. Far fetched? Well it is how you look at it.

GOT is all about  the confrontation between those with a moral compass with those who don't. John Snow had a huge moral compass, Cersei, all about power and its retention, doesnt even know what it means. And then you have the even more dangerous and repulsive in between party: those who talk about freedom and love, but in the end are as power hungry and ruthless as Cersei was (Daenerys).

If these types of people collide you can see the result even on a forum like this. Power hungry, face is the place types demands and get what they want. A mindless, low skill, low strategy, aggressive, burn, buff meta. With Drogon as RPS of GOT.

Those who want to do the right thing; with a moral compass in terms of skill based strategies are like Snow send to the Wall. Disappointment is what people feel when they realise the uneasiness of being as repulsive as Daenerys. 

Maybe like Arya, those who represent the House of the Wolve should sail West leaving HS behind.

 

 

 lol. gotta love that, "i play this deck ( esp control deck) therefore im superior" comments.

cry more.

I didn't watch it yet, but I also do not have any issues with being spoilered. So I watched the brief review of Filmento. I think he explains well what technically went wrong without ranting. I probably will still watch it, but my expectations are low. Which actually might make it better for me...