Hearthstone is way cheaper. From a competitive standpoint, you spend way less money to get every tier 1~2 HS deck than to build two or so competitive MTG deck (sometives even a single deck).
Either MTG has changed a lot the past years or your region sucks. To get every tier 1~2 HS deck I would need €500-€1000 in packs. A competitive MTG deck cost me 50-100 for a really good one.
Come on, we have only a half of the classes on tier 1~2 right now, and many uses the same staples. I can give you the low estimation (around €500~ if you're very unlucky), but nowhere near €1000.
And good luck trying to build a competitive deck with only €100. Evem if we go for eternal formats and discount some staples which can be used in more than one competitive archetype you still will be spending a lot more.
i have been playing hearthstone since beta and was f2p for years. I buy yhe 50 dollar preorders now and i am able to compete in wild and have fun in standard with some meme decks and some competitive decks. I tried to get into mtg this spring. I spend 300 dollars on boosters, a storage box, sleeves, dice, and various tournament entry fees at a local game store. I suckesd, had horrible decks and have boxes full of useless cardboard (i got a golden jaina from kaladesh but that was the only card of value) I thought i could redeem some of the cost so i made a spreadsheet, said i had 200ish dollars in cards. so i tried sell them at the store and they only wanted a handful of them (would have got 50 dollars back). I checked online i wouldnt fair better so i kept it all and drafted at home with a friend a few times and shoved em in the closet. The point of this story is i paid way more to have less decks, less fun and less chances to even play any decks. gettinv your roi or close to it back is a myth (the tolarian prof guy proves this) and in hearthstone the game can do more unique things and allow on demand fun. This isnt remotely close. hearthstone is much cheaper to have fun with (there are always exceptions but for most people hearthstone is way cheaper)
Magic is more a nerdy-luxury lifestyle with own community. And its totally fine when rich people have such a great hobby.
But if u have lack of finances and want to have a positive expirience in playing (not living) a card game, than Hearthstone is a much better choise.
That is my opinion. U can have your own. No problem.
Yep. Played a lot of casual MTG ever since 2002, once I got my first paying job I tried to go competitive in Standard format but couldn't keep up. Even after graduating and getting an average job all I could do was to run some tier 2 standard decks which would rotate nearly as I finished to build it. I still keep a close eye to eternal formats but stopped playing around 2014.
By the other hand, in a few months I already made a decent HS collection. The only money I spend is with expansions pre-orders and the adventures, have all tier 1/2/3 decks in both standard and wild. No way to compare with MTG indeed.
Magic is more a nerdy-luxury lifestyle with own community. And its totally fine when rich people have such a great hobby.
But if u have lack of finances and want to have a positive expirience in playing (not living) a card game, than Hearthstone is a much better choise.
That is my opinion. U can have your own. No problem.
Yep. Played a lot of casual MTG ever since 2002, once I got my first paying job I tried to go competitive in Standard format but couldn't keep up. Even after graduating and getting an average job all I could do was to run some tier 2 standard decks which would rotate nearly as I finished to build it. I still keep a close eye to eternal formats but stopped playing around 2014.
By the other hand, in a few months I already made a decent HS collection. The only money I spend is with expansions pre-orders and the adventures, have all tier 1/2/3 decks in both standard and wild. No way to compare with MTG indeed.
Tnx, man.
One more thing. I am from a poor country named Ukraine. So money worth a lot for me. Can't spend more than 50$ for a game from my 550$/month salary.
Hs is free guy. I’m 100% FTP sitting in 61k dust with a full ungoro collecting, nearly full frozen thrones(missing10 copies of useless epics) nearly full classic(refuse to craft the likes of mill house, cho and other unplayed legends)
Mtg cannot be played for free in any game mode, and to play mtg competitively is insanely expensive.
This is completely false. You bought a booster box?! WOOOOW, I hope that you will enjoy all the crap that you will pull from it :D
The cost of MtG is calculated by the worth of individual cards since barely anyone buys boxes these days (unless it is for draft) and here you will find cards that are more expensive than HS preorder.
I would love it if Hearthstone had a feature where you could 'sell' your more valuable cards for in-game gold. The cards should have different gold values according to it's popularity/playability, i.e. a Tirion Fordring shouldn't sell the same amount as a Lorewalker Cho.
I get your point. Both games have their pros and cons. They are quite individual.
Nowdays for me time matters. Its hard to go after work to local store and return to home near a midnight facing a new work day tommorow. And holydays i usually try to spend with my friends and family. Or just laying all day in a bed :)
And money matters too, not just because i am lazy ass ;)
I know that someone else feel another way. And its fine.
Edit: A Blizzard marketplace where one could sell cards to other players would be a HUGE benefit to the game. Even if this means we would lose the crafting system.
Absolutely not. I would much rather create cards myself at a fixed rate than be at the mercy of a bunch of assholes gaming the market.
As for the rest of your complaints, if you don't like the game, please feel free to stop playing.
Prices are not set by what other companies are charging for similar products. Prices are set based on demand. The fact that people are willing to pay the price Blizzard sets, proves that this is the correct price. Magic the Gathering has very little to do with it, nor does any other CCG, digital or physical.
I played magic for over 20 years, and spent under 10k, before I started selling my collection it was somewhere between 50-80k.
Anyone who played magic for a while and isn't terrible with their finances, probably has a similar story. Some people may point out that that's probably not replicable anymore and that's the point I'm coming to. As greedy as Blizzard is with HS, it's nothing compared to WOTC, heck the only reason that Hearthstone exist is that WOTC was so greedy with Magic online they left a wide opening in the market for Blizzard to take advantage of.
WOTC's main focus is standard, for standard they have made changes to it such that deck costs increased from $100-$300 to $200-$500 over a two year period, they vastly decreased the number of reprints in standard (the equivalent of Blizzard hall of faming all the classic and basic cards), and even tried to shorten the rotation time. Short to say unless you're a good speculator or a shark standard is going to be a drain on your wallet.
The other formats such as legacy and modern, which are generally consider better formats, in the past at least decks tended to maintain or gain value. But between Wotc focusing less on these formats, and most of the focus that is given to them is Wotc getting into the secondary market and the every better forgeries of magic cards, which is prompted by some of Wotc polices. I wouldn't say getting your money back out of either of those formats is a sure thing anymore.
If you really know what you're doing magic can be cheaper. Judging by the percentage of you that rated gnomeferatu as "meta defining" last expansion, most of you just have the occasional glimmer of what you are doing and are better of sticking to digital CCGs.
Saying RNG isn't detracting from skill in hearthstone, won't convince anyone it's a good idea. It just shows your too stupid to understand the basics principles of good game design.
Anyone who played magic for a while and isn't terrible with their finances, probably has a similar story. Some people may point out that that's probably not replicable anymore and that's the point I'm coming to. ...
WOTC's main focus is standard, for standard they have made changes to it such that deck costs increased from $100-$300 to $200-$500 over a two year period, they vastly decreased the number of reprints in standard (the equivalent of Blizzard hall of faming all the classic and basic cards), and even tried to shorten the rotation time. Short to say unless you're a good speculator or a shark standard is going to be a drain on your wallet.
Thing is, old staples will never reprint in standard(because power level), only reprints occur is in form of "modern masters" and sorts, and those boosters cost lot more than standard boosters.
Your case isn't replicable because standard cards almost never end up in eternal lists, they are just worse. That's because they try to slow down standard, and that's why standard cards don't get to that "absolutely broken" level old cards had (and that's why they are valuable in the first place).
Looking back at a year old rotated cards - what a joke. Once 15+$ staples cost nothing and nothing will change that. They aren't needed even in modern. And I don't need that much bookmarks.
Anyone who played magic for a while and isn't terrible with their finances, probably has a similar story. Some people may point out that that's probably not replicable anymore and that's the point I'm coming to. ...
WOTC's main focus is standard, for standard they have made changes to it such that deck costs increased from $100-$300 to $200-$500 over a two year period, they vastly decreased the number of reprints in standard (the equivalent of Blizzard hall of faming all the classic and basic cards), and even tried to shorten the rotation time. Short to say unless you're a good speculator or a shark standard is going to be a drain on your wallet.
Thing is, old staples will never reprint in standard(because power level), only reprints occur is in form of "modern masters" and sorts, and those boosters cost lot more than standard boosters.
Your case isn't replicable because standard cards almost never end up in eternal lists, they are just worse. That's because they try to slow down standard, and that's why standard cards don't get to that "absolutely broken" level old cards had (and that's why they are valuable in the first place).
Looking back at a year old rotated cards - what a joke. Once 15+$ staples cost nothing and nothing will change that. They aren't needed even in modern. And I don't need that much bookmarks.
Actually many old staples are average to unplayable in standard, Wotc has stopped doing so because they can make more money by putting them in $10 booster packs.
Also many cards in eternal formats have been pushed out by newer cards, but since Wotc is so standard focused there is more standard supply than their is eternal/EDH demand, those cards tend to take longer to spike, and thats if WOTC doesn't cut them off at the knees by reprinting them as filler in a masters set.
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Saying RNG isn't detracting from skill in hearthstone, won't convince anyone it's a good idea. It just shows your too stupid to understand the basics principles of good game design.
Anyone who played magic for a while and isn't terrible with their finances, probably has a similar story. Some people may point out that that's probably not replicable anymore and that's the point I'm coming to. ...
WOTC's main focus is standard, for standard they have made changes to it such that deck costs increased from $100-$300 to $200-$500 over a two year period, they vastly decreased the number of reprints in standard (the equivalent of Blizzard hall of faming all the classic and basic cards), and even tried to shorten the rotation time. Short to say unless you're a good speculator or a shark standard is going to be a drain on your wallet.
Thing is, old staples will never reprint in standard(because power level), only reprints occur is in form of "modern masters" and sorts, and those boosters cost lot more than standard boosters.
Your case isn't replicable because standard cards almost never end up in eternal lists, they are just worse. That's because they try to slow down standard, and that's why standard cards don't get to that "absolutely broken" level old cards had (and that's why they are valuable in the first place).
Looking back at a year old rotated cards - what a joke. Once 15+$ staples cost nothing and nothing will change that. They aren't needed even in modern. And I don't need that much bookmarks.
Take a good look at every eldrazi card from BFZ to OTG. None, not a single one of them, will ever be reprinted again (unless they are, for some reason, included into masters set) and they have spawned multiple modern decks. In a year or two those cards will be worth gold.
Anyone who played magic for a while and isn't terrible with their finances, probably has a similar story. Some people may point out that that's probably not replicable anymore and that's the point I'm coming to. ...
WOTC's main focus is standard, for standard they have made changes to it such that deck costs increased from $100-$300 to $200-$500 over a two year period, they vastly decreased the number of reprints in standard (the equivalent of Blizzard hall of faming all the classic and basic cards), and even tried to shorten the rotation time. Short to say unless you're a good speculator or a shark standard is going to be a drain on your wallet.
Thing is, old staples will never reprint in standard(because power level), only reprints occur is in form of "modern masters" and sorts, and those boosters cost lot more than standard boosters.
Your case isn't replicable because standard cards almost never end up in eternal lists, they are just worse. That's because they try to slow down standard, and that's why standard cards don't get to that "absolutely broken" level old cards had (and that's why they are valuable in the first place).
Looking back at a year old rotated cards - what a joke. Once 15+$ staples cost nothing and nothing will change that. They aren't needed even in modern. And I don't need that much bookmarks.
Take a good look at every eldrazi card from BFZ to OTG. None, not a single one of them, will ever be reprinted again (unless they are, for some reason, included into masters set) and they have spawned multiple modern decks. In a year or two those cards will be worth gold.
Nothing in mtg can be "worth gold" except reserved list cards that wizards has already said, would not be reprinted. Absolutely everything else is fair game. If the Eldrazi spike, they will without a doubt be reprinted, no exceptions. Even if they were not reprinted, the sets they come from are so overprinted and undesired that the supply will never dwindle until well over 10 years from now.
I go home every day thanking Wizzard that I can open up my Magic Card Collection and disenchant a couple garbage foil rares from my binder to craft that last Volcanic Island I need!
Anyone who played magic for a while and isn't terrible with their finances, probably has a similar story. Some people may point out that that's probably not replicable anymore and that's the point I'm coming to. ...
WOTC's main focus is standard, for standard they have made changes to it such that deck costs increased from $100-$300 to $200-$500 over a two year period, they vastly decreased the number of reprints in standard (the equivalent of Blizzard hall of faming all the classic and basic cards), and even tried to shorten the rotation time. Short to say unless you're a good speculator or a shark standard is going to be a drain on your wallet.
Thing is, old staples will never reprint in standard(because power level), only reprints occur is in form of "modern masters" and sorts, and those boosters cost lot more than standard boosters.
Your case isn't replicable because standard cards almost never end up in eternal lists, they are just worse. That's because they try to slow down standard, and that's why standard cards don't get to that "absolutely broken" level old cards had (and that's why they are valuable in the first place).
Looking back at a year old rotated cards - what a joke. Once 15+$ staples cost nothing and nothing will change that. They aren't needed even in modern. And I don't need that much bookmarks.
Take a good look at every eldrazi card from BFZ to OTG. None, not a single one of them, will ever be reprinted again (unless they are, for some reason, included into masters set) and they have spawned multiple modern decks. In a year or two those cards will be worth gold.
Nothing in mtg can be "worth gold" except reserved list cards that wizards has already said, would not be reprinted. Absolutely everything else is fair game. If the Eldrazi spike, they will without a doubt be reprinted, no exceptions. Even if they were not reprinted, the sets they come from are so overprinted and undesired that the supply will never dwindle until well over 10 years from now.
Worth gold as in worth a lot of money, as in there will be a huge spike. Where are they going to reprint them? Literally the only place where the Eldrzai can be reprinted in are the Masters set and I don't see that happening in quite a while (if ever). This is a complete tribe with its own unique mechanic and its own mana symbol. You can't just throw 3 of them into a Masters set and call it a day. Even if you reprint 3 of them, you will need to print Wastes as well. Wastes will be reprinted when we get Emrakul's brood at some point in the future so the lack of those lands is not a problem and not a cause for reprinting. I just don't see them being reprinted in the next 5 years at least.
You are comparing uncomparable. In MTG you are getting physical value with every card. You can resell cards at any given time to get some of your money back, or you can actually get more money back that what you invested.
Nothing of sort is the case in Hearthstone. Cards don't have any real money value in Hearthstone. But on the other hand, you get many free cards and you can play the game without putting any money into it. Becouse of that, we will never get real card trading like in MTG. Becouse people would just create infinite accounts and trade cards between them.
You are comparing uncomparable. In MTG you are getting physical value with every card. You can resell cards at any given time to get some of your money back, or you can actually get more money back that what you invested.
Nothing of sort is the case in Hearthstone. Cards don't have any real money value in Hearthstone. But on the other hand, you get many free cards and you can play the game without putting any money into it. Becouse of that, we will never get real card trading like in MTG. Becouse people would just create infinite accounts and trade cards between them.
How about selling HS account with a solid collection? No doubt its a common thing and u can take your money back.
Selling HS accounts is illegal, there is no reliable way to do it, and you don't even own your account or the cards in it, Blizzard owns every account. Plus accounts may have other things unlocked in them like other games... u are suggesting sth like "you can always sell drugs, the money is good, and there are always clients"
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And good luck trying to build a competitive deck with only €100. Evem if we go for eternal formats and discount some staples which can be used in more than one competitive archetype you still will be spending a lot more.
i have been playing hearthstone since beta and was f2p for years. I buy yhe 50 dollar preorders now and i am able to compete in wild and have fun in standard with some meme decks and some competitive decks. I tried to get into mtg this spring. I spend 300 dollars on boosters, a storage box, sleeves, dice, and various tournament entry fees at a local game store. I suckesd, had horrible decks and have boxes full of useless cardboard (i got a golden jaina from kaladesh but that was the only card of value) I thought i could redeem some of the cost so i made a spreadsheet, said i had 200ish dollars in cards. so i tried sell them at the store and they only wanted a handful of them (would have got 50 dollars back). I checked online i wouldnt fair better so i kept it all and drafted at home with a friend a few times and shoved em in the closet. The point of this story is i paid way more to have less decks, less fun and less chances to even play any decks. gettinv your roi or close to it back is a myth (the tolarian prof guy proves this) and in hearthstone the game can do more unique things and allow on demand fun. This isnt remotely close. hearthstone is much cheaper to have fun with (there are always exceptions but for most people hearthstone is way cheaper)
By the other hand, in a few months I already made a decent HS collection. The only money I spend is with expansions pre-orders and the adventures, have all tier 1/2/3 decks in both standard and wild. No way to compare with MTG indeed.
Hs is free guy. I’m 100% FTP sitting in 61k dust with a full ungoro collecting, nearly full frozen thrones(missing10 copies of useless epics) nearly full classic(refuse to craft the likes of mill house, cho and other unplayed legends)
Mtg cannot be played for free in any game mode, and to play mtg competitively is insanely expensive.
This is completely false. You bought a booster box?! WOOOOW, I hope that you will enjoy all the crap that you will pull from it :D
The cost of MtG is calculated by the worth of individual cards since barely anyone buys boxes these days (unless it is for draft) and here you will find cards that are more expensive than HS preorder.
I would love it if Hearthstone had a feature where you could 'sell' your more valuable cards for in-game gold. The cards should have different gold values according to it's popularity/playability, i.e. a Tirion Fordring shouldn't sell the same amount as a Lorewalker Cho.
I get your point. Both games have their pros and cons. They are quite individual.
Nowdays for me time matters. Its hard to go after work to local store and return to home near a midnight facing a new work day tommorow. And holydays i usually try to spend with my friends and family. Or just laying all day in a bed :)
And money matters too, not just because i am lazy ass ;)
I know that someone else feel another way. And its fine.
Just reading the OP again...honestly, I've seen 'muricans with better math than this.
Also, 80-100$ per box. Are you high? you're lucky if you get 30$ per box after selling all of its contents.
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I played magic for over 20 years, and spent under 10k, before I started selling my collection it was somewhere between 50-80k.
Anyone who played magic for a while and isn't terrible with their finances, probably has a similar story. Some people may point out that that's probably not replicable anymore and that's the point I'm coming to. As greedy as Blizzard is with HS, it's nothing compared to WOTC, heck the only reason that Hearthstone exist is that WOTC was so greedy with Magic online they left a wide opening in the market for Blizzard to take advantage of.
WOTC's main focus is standard, for standard they have made changes to it such that deck costs increased from $100-$300 to $200-$500 over a two year period, they vastly decreased the number of reprints in standard (the equivalent of Blizzard hall of faming all the classic and basic cards), and even tried to shorten the rotation time. Short to say unless you're a good speculator or a shark standard is going to be a drain on your wallet.
The other formats such as legacy and modern, which are generally consider better formats, in the past at least decks tended to maintain or gain value. But between Wotc focusing less on these formats, and most of the focus that is given to them is Wotc getting into the secondary market and the every better forgeries of magic cards, which is prompted by some of Wotc polices. I wouldn't say getting your money back out of either of those formats is a sure thing anymore.
If you really know what you're doing magic can be cheaper. Judging by the percentage of you that rated gnomeferatu as "meta defining" last expansion, most of you just have the occasional glimmer of what you are doing and are better of sticking to digital CCGs.
Saying RNG isn't detracting from skill in hearthstone, won't convince anyone it's a good idea. It just shows your too stupid to understand the basics principles of good game design.
Saying RNG isn't detracting from skill in hearthstone, won't convince anyone it's a good idea. It just shows your too stupid to understand the basics principles of good game design.
I go home every day thanking Wizzard that I can open up my Magic Card Collection and disenchant a couple garbage foil rares from my binder to craft that last Volcanic Island I need!
be kind and considerate
You are comparing uncomparable. In MTG you are getting physical value with every card. You can resell cards at any given time to get some of your money back, or you can actually get more money back that what you invested.
Nothing of sort is the case in Hearthstone. Cards don't have any real money value in Hearthstone. But on the other hand, you get many free cards and you can play the game without putting any money into it. Becouse of that, we will never get real card trading like in MTG. Becouse people would just create infinite accounts and trade cards between them.
No doubt its a common thing and u can take your money back.
Selling HS accounts is illegal, there is no reliable way to do it, and you don't even own your account or the cards in it, Blizzard owns every account. Plus accounts may have other things unlocked in them like other games... u are suggesting sth like "you can always sell drugs, the money is good, and there are always clients"