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Not to poop the party but achieved rank does not necessarily reflect skill, it's rather an indication how much time that player invested in laddering. To make a valid statement about a player's skill you would not only to know his rank but also the number of matches he needed to achieve it. You can reach Legend with a win ratio of 51%. The true skill difference becomes obvious between a player who needs 60 matches from Rank 5 to Legend (like Thijs) and somebody who needs 500 games.

Do you know that most people that reach legend have a respectable higher winrate than 51%? Seriously, do you know how crazy would be to reach legend with a winrate like that?

Stop pretending than that is a common thing, because it is not. Learn basic math before making statements like this and realise that most people that hit legend have also a life and enjoy doing other things than just playing Hearthstone all days, all the time...

1) I never said that its a common thing to reach legend

2) Here is the math: https://tempostorm.com/articles/how-long-does-it-take-to-reach-legend

3) Stop pretending that you read other peoples posts carefully and stop flaming them

4) To sum up my post: its not only about skill, its also about time, regardless if you agree or not.

 

Seriously? "Its not only about skill"? That is not what you said on your first post man. Your exact words: "Not to poop the party but achieved rank does not necessarily reflect skill". See? Those are two very different things man...

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Quote from Sherman1986 >>

1) I never said that its a common thing to reach legend

2) Here is the math: https://tempostorm.com/articles/how-long-does-it-take-to-reach-legend

3) Stop pretending that you read other peoples posts carefully and stop flaming them

4) To sum up my post: its not only about skill, its also about time, regardless if you agree or not.

 

Seriously? "Its not only about skill"? That is not what you said on your first post man. Your exact words: "Not to poop the party but achieved rank does not necessarily reflect skill". See? Those are two very different things man...

 I see no contradiction here...Saying A doesn't always imply B isn't the same as saying A never implies B.

I opted for Rank 10

Anything above rank 10 in my opinion.

Rank 5...

As many have discussed, it's difficult to segregate skill by rank since most of it is based on how many games you play. "Rank" really only matters at legend since the number you see is an actual representation of your matchmaking rank.

I know quite a few players that could do much better if they invested more time ranking up, I can say the opposite for some as well. I make legend every season, but it feels like it takes me a metric ton of games.

• rank 10 -> Above average
• rank 5 -> good
• legend-> either very good or grinder

Quote from TianZi >>

I went less than 100 wins from rank 25 to legend in S19 and I wasn't a good player at that time. As a matter of a fact I just came back to the game at that time, and was reading card text and tabbed out googling secrets during my matches because I didn't even know what they do.

I think to adequately answer this question you can't just look at rank.  My win rate from rank 20-15 is usually 75%.  From 15-10 it's usually 60%.  At Rank 10 it drops to right at or above 50%.  I make mistakes, but not too many, that's why I dominate the higher ranks on the ladder just like any good player would.  The only 2 reasons that my win rate could drop so significantly is A) facing strictly top tier decks and B) the decks are being piloted skillfully.  So, in my experience, rank 10 is when you start to see good players consistently.

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Quote from Vugore >>

Not to poop the party but achieved rank does not necessarily reflect skill, it's rather an indication how much time that player invested in laddering. To make a valid statement about a player's skill you would not only to know his rank but also the number of matches he needed to achieve it. You can reach Legend with a win ratio of 51%. The true skill difference becomes obvious between a player who needs 60 matches from Rank 5 to Legend (like Thijs) and somebody who needs 500 games.

I went less than 100 wins from rank 25 to legend in S19 and I wasn't a good player at that time. As a matter of a fact I just came back to the game at that time, and was reading card text and tabbed out googling secrets during my matches because I didn't even know what they do.

 

 

 You need 10 stars from rank 25 to rank 20, 15 from 20 to 15, then 20 for 10, 25 for 5 and finally 25 for legend, so a total of 95 stars, which makes 95 wins if you don't take in account the winstreak. So, if you have a winstreak from 25 to 5, you need, for 70 stars, the 2 firsts wins without the streak, then 34 wins: so 36wins, then the 25 for rank 5 => legend, so a total of 59 wins to go. for each lose, you need to add 1 win to recover the star, then 1 other win to be in a winstreak again with the next one. 
(I assume you don't lose under rank 20 and you never lose twice in a row)

Conclusion: perfect = 59 wins, 1lose = 61 wins, 2 loses = 63 wins, and so one... From 25 to legend under 100 wins is less than 21 loses and 99wins, so 83% winrate. I personall doubt you made a 83% winrate if you were just coming back in game...

Even with "only" 100 wins, counting 5min per games, it need 500mins to become legend, which is more than 8h.. It takes time ;)

Whatever gets me a card back    :P