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I'm not going to say nothing about Yu-gi-oh because I never played it.

But for the other two MTG is way more complex than Hearthstone. For me, is not even open to discussion.

But be way simpler and easier doesn't make hearthstone a bad game, it is his strength after all.

I like hearthstone because it doesn't have ftk's, first turn kills.

I like everything digital and special animation effects. So HS is better for me, that's all. =] 

I play Magic since 1997, it is a very long time, HS for me is far better because of mana system, how many horrible games you play in magic only because you not draw more lands after start with a decent first hand? How many games you lost because draw four or five lands in late game? 

And for the final argument, HS never be a "pay-to-win" card game, I am a brazilian, have a time in the past where we only can get Magic cards  from a terrible and monopolized store, the top cards for standard are absurd expensive and who don't have a lot of money to expand with a card game never have a competitive deck, with HS, a game I never need to spend a cent, I have the oportunity to have any card.

PS: Sorry for my bad english, is not my language.

If I could afford to play Magic, then I would. It is a much more interesting game, the simple act of being able to 'respond' to cards played the opponent makes it infinitely more complicated. HS is however a fun and light game that we play regularly at our house. Its cheap and accessible, which are the two largest issues of MTG. Both are great games in their own ways.

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I play Magic since 1997, it is a very long time, HS for me is far better because of mana system, how many horrible games you play in magic only because you not draw more lands after start with a decent first hand? How many games you lost because draw four or five lands in late game? 

And for the final argument, HS never be a "pay-to-win" card game, I am a brazilian, have a time in the past where we only can get Magic cards  from a terrible and monopolized store, the top cards for standard are absurd expensive and who don't have a lot of money to expand with a card game never have a competitive deck, with HS, a game I never need to spend a cent, I have the oportunity to have any card.

PS: Sorry for my bad english, is not my language.

MtG is always going to be more complex because you have chances to react during your opponent's turn. I feel like HS favors trading (being able to trade into whatever creature you want) where MtG favors spot removal.

I don't think HS has significantly more rng than MtG. Not having lands significantly lowers hearthstone's rng (there's no way to get a pocket of lands or none of your lands, you can be screwed by not getting your curve but magic has that same possibility PLUS having to deal with lands), but also has powerful rng effects (compared to mtg's delver like rng), I feel like it balances out.

Yugioh has no "mana" system and all the cards are balanced around Card advantage and burst damage and has a boring power creep. However, I haven't touched the game since 2006 so I honestly have no idea what it looks like today, just based on the direction it was heading when I quit and what people tell me today.

Saw this again after a long while. I apologise for bumping but I think I might add on my previous point of view. 

So I'm a big fan of the mana system. I think it is quite essential to ensure that the game doesn't go off into a direction where you can spam the board on turn 1. Mana forces you to build your deck in accordance to its availability-ie you can't have all 10 drops because you'll have nothing else to play for the first 9 turns of the game.  This is my first strike against YuGiOh. Im sure the level system was an attempt to create some kind of curve but last time I checked special summoning has completely taken over and levels have ceased to mean anything.

But I must say I think YuGiOh's concept of a side deck is pretty cool. It allows you to always have your wincons at the ready so you can't get screwed over by dead draws ( not too much anyways). However, it can be argued that it takes away from the deckbuilding element of making your draws more consistent etc.

Personally I prefer the land system over the mana system in Hearthstone, simply because it adds another dimension of strategy both in gameplay and deckbuilding. When building a deck-especially when you're involving 3 or more colours- the land base becomes very critical as you don't want to be colour screwed. This forces you to focus on how much of each kind of mana you'll need and how you'll provide that. Meanwhile in gameplay, land-destruction is a valid strategy to lock down your opponent (although if you do that you'll have no friends after a few games).

 Last thing, I really missed the reaction cards-instants and traps-in Hearthstone. Again I think they add another layer of strategy, like not playing on curve and leaving mana open to react to opponent actions. 

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There are three skills required to play card games well:

1. Evaluation, i.e. determining how much value a card gives by being played. Hearthstone has more of this than Magic, due to more cards being played (instead of land), so your ability to evaluate is tested more often. There's also the hero power. Magic has Planeswalkers, though.

2. Creativity, i.e. finding ways to play cards in unique ways. Magic excels in this due to having cards that have greater effects and often more text/choices on cards.

3. Mind games, i.e. altering your play due to what your opponent will (be able to) do. Although not a big part of these kind of card games (there's not many ways to alter your hidden information), Hearthstone trumps Magic because cards are more interactive (creatures can attack creatures) and because the fixed mana system means you and your opponent are more likely to play in 'predictable' ways.

A lot of folks focus on the creativity aspect, probably because the CCG genre does it better than any other type of game. But if you're looking for a game that tests your ability to play a game, they're both equal. Besides, both games really have no limit as to how much you can get good at them, so you should instead simply ask yourself which game has you having a better time.

As for the Kibler example: as far as I know, he practices for tournaments for both games just as much.

I think we're legally allowed to shoot people who necro these fucking threads.

Since Yu-Gi-Oh and MTG are TCG's, they have value beyond the pure gameplay, there is a huge fanbase who just love to collect the cards, build non-meta decks and such. 

Yu-Gi-Oh meta gameplay right now is literally just two opponents playing a turn of solitaire each, search, synchro/xyz summon, repeat. Haven't played too Magic so can't really tell about what's going on there right now. 

But in all honestly, Hearthstone compared to Magic/YGO is like comparing tic-tac-toe to chess. 

MTG is more complex. Its complexity is precisely why it fails as a a viable virtual option. Having all the different phases makes the game too slow to be played online. From what I've heard from Yugioh, the power creep has really harmed the game. 

Wait, yu-gi-oh is still relevant?

Yeah after synchro introduced yugioh is pretty much dead I mean it is overwhelmingly op mechanic there is no reason anymore to play any other decks.

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Yeah after synchro introduced yugioh is pretty much dead I mean it is overwhelmingly op mechanic there is no reason anymore to play any other decks.

in order for most complex to simplest

1. Yugioh: Yugi-oh is very combo based, you must order things properly and bait removal/ negation if you want to summon a powerful board, and by now all the cards are basically text books with a lot, and i mean a lot of effects each, sometimes you'll even see a monster and assume your opponent will do X thing with it to watch in awe how he/she uses an effect you didn't even know that monster had.

2: Magic is simpler than yugioh, don't fret magic players simpler doesn't mean that they can't have an equal amounth of depth, magic is simpler because the effects and resource system are straightforward, typified, normalized and classified, and yes order makes things a lot easier to understand, magic is more of a resource managing game and if you add the stack mechanics it can lead to a lot of decision making,

3. Chargestone: if they don't nerf charge, they can't print complex effects, that simple, it's really easy to understand effects will at most occupy two lines and there are a lot of inconsistencies, and your turn being a sacred temple where nothing can happen and your opponent can't react to it makes rng mandatory in the game otherwise player A would jsut get to see a movie of player B doing his own stuff and dominating without player A being able to do anything, let's be honest here as soon as someone in Yugioh or magic the agthering sees a card like OG warsong commander, crystal core or Jade  Idol being played an effect that counterspells or negates its activation and destroys the card will be played, well, you can't do that in hearthstone, you can't even choose what to counterspell with counterspell.

Edit: Honorable mentions; Score's dbz tcg and panini's Dbz tcg, they basically use almost the same mechanics (well panini's is a reboot of score's tcg with some major rule changes to deck building) and have a LOT and i mean a LOT of depth and decision making in them, imho this is one of the more complex card games in the market without overdoing it with complexity (i'm looking at you Jyhad and LOTR), besides the game being combat based instead of unit based leads to a lot of interactivity and decision making

I loved Yu-gi-oh back in the days before all this nonsense with synchro, xyz and pendulum - Those 3 things just made the game too fast paste and easy, so every damn fool could play the game. God damn pendulum can kill you in one turn - What is the fun in that?

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in order for most complex to simplest

1. Yugioh: Yugi-oh is very combo based, you must order things properly and bait removal/ negation if you want to summon a powerful board, and by now all the cards are basically text books with a lot, and i mean a lot of effects each, sometimes you'll even see a monster and assume your opponent will do X thing with it to watch in awe how he/she uses an effect you didn't even know that monster had.

2: Magic is simpler than yugioh, don't fret magic players simpler doesn't mean that they can't have an equal amounth of depth, magic is simpler because the effects and resource system are straightforward, typified, normalized and classified, and yes order makes things a lot easier to understand, magic is more of a resource managing game and if you add the stack mechanics it can lead to a lot of decision making,

3. Chargestone: if they don't nerf charge, they can't print complex effects, that simple, it's really easy to understand effects will at msot occupy two lines and there are a lot of inconsistencies, and your turn being a sacred temple where nothing can happen and your opponent can't react to it makes rng mandatory in the game otherwise player A would jsut get to see a movie of player B doing his own stuff and dominating without player A being able to do anything, let's be honest here as soon as someone in Yugioh or magic the agthering sees a card like OG warsong commander, crystal core or Jade  Idol being played an effect that counterspells or negates its activation and destroys the card will be played, well, you can't do that in hearthstone, you can't even choose what to counterspell with counterspell.

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Yeah after synchro introduced yugioh is pretty much dead I mean it is overwhelmingly op mechanic there is no reason anymore to play any other decks.

 you know that synchro in inferior to both XYZ and pendulum, and  rendered completely useless by LINK summon, right?

I think the better comparison to MAGIC THE GATHERING and Yugioh is WoW TCG not Hearthstone.