So I've been noticing a lot of people in the forum saying, "yeah I reached legend with xxx deck" or something along those lines, and honestly I saw it a lot more than I thought. Especially since I had read an article (http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/15955974/hearthside-chat-youre-better-than-you-think-9-18-2014) saying that legend was only the top .5% of players. So is legend really that big a deal or should I be more embarrassed that I haven't gotten there yet?
Only 40% of people playing make it to i think rank 16. Reaching legendary IMO is a bigger deal every time you do it and with a different deck. Also keep in mind that the time it will take you to reach legendary you could probably wrap 2-3 console games in that time, so you should def. focus on having fun more over than being "Special"
Reaching Legend is a huge deal. You are among a very, very small elite in proportion to the total amount of people who play the game at any capacity. The fact you see people claiming they're legend frequently on this site is, I think, a combination of 2 things:
1. Many of them are lying.
2. Websites like this where we discuss the game and deckbuilding in depth is bound to attract more "serious", competitive players and so Legend rank players do actually frequent these sites.
I think the thing about hitting legend is the time it takes. It takes a lot of time to hit legend. I have had seasons where I hit the rank 5 or lower, but that is only when I dedicate myself to a deck for extended periods of time. That gets boring to me. If I really spent the time, I could probably get there. But I want to have a life outside of Hearthstone and I like playing fun decks in ranked to see how they stack up.
Reaching Legend rank is an indication of A) your commitment to learning how to win against other players on any given day, B) the available time you have to play the game, and C) your attention span.
I caught the tail and of a Twitch stream on the first day of May, where a player called Xixo was the first to reach Legend rank this season. It took him something like 16 hours (assuming he started at midnight, might have been less) to get it, playing the same strong deck for probably 150-250 games.
This is someone who plays Hearthstone for a living, studied the "metagame" enough to pick the strongest deck on that particular day, and was able to maintain focus for ~16 consecutive hours.
You too can get Legend, but it will require A, B, and C above. I personally lack sufficient quantities of all three, ending each season around rank 5 or so.
I think getting legend is overrated. I got legend with three netdecks; zoolock, tempo Mage, and midrange Pally, and the accomplishment feeling faded really fast.
I think it would be better if the season was longer and there are separate leagues within legend with perhaps relegation. Being in a top 200 legend league would be special, netdecking and making rank 2,000 and calling yourself a top tier player is not a significant accomplishment IMO.
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Reaching legend rank is not that special. A player at legend rank isn't necessarily "better" than anyone at low ranks in general. It's difficult for the average person simply because of the time investment required. If you have a job and/or school or a life basically, it's pretty unrealistic.
Personally, I find that grinding the same deck for hours on end takes away from the fun of the game. I play pretty casually (1-2 hours/day), with arena, and daily quests and I own most of the cards having spent very little money on the game and usually end up at around rank 3-5 every season. Maybe if the reward for reaching legend was something more worthwhile then I would consider it.
Legend itself is not a big tell because with a significant amount of time investment, even a mediocre player can reach it.
Say if you have a 55% win rate, it will take you about 420 games from rank 17 to legend. Given an average game duration is about 10 minutes, that's 4200 minutes, which is 70 hours. That's about 2.5 hours per day, which is not a thing for students but is a quite time investment for people who are working. You can easily get 55% win rate by netdecking a Face Hunter and go face while doing something else.
Your average win rate is a better tell. If you have 60% win rate, you're a really good player and if you have 70%+ win rate, then you're at pro-gamer's level.
I think the thing about hitting legend is the time it takes. It takes a lot of time to hit legend. I have had seasons where I hit the rank 5 or lower, but that is only when I dedicate myself to a deck for extended periods of time. That gets boring to me. If I really spent the time, I could probably get there. But I want to have a life outside of Hearthstone and I like playing fun decks in ranked to see how they stack up.
This. I get bored after about an hour or two. Maybe someday I will go after Legend for kicks, but I don't see that day anywhere on the calendar thus far.
So I've been noticing a lot of people in the forum saying, "yeah I reached legend with xxx deck" or something along those lines, and honestly I saw it a lot more than I thought. Especially since I had read an article (http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/15955974/hearthside-chat-youre-better-than-you-think-9-18-2014) saying that legend was only the top .5% of players. So is legend really that big a deal or should I be more embarrassed that I haven't gotten there yet?
I like that article. This gaming culture is strange in that sooooo many people watch VOD's, and that becomes their definition of "good". But really, getting Legend is a combination of both volume and win-rate, and "skill" is best measured by win-rate only. A ton of people play Ranked to pilot a deck they like and clear quests, without any further goal. They won't make legend, but they may or may not have a high win rate. As stated above, a 60% win rate is super sick, and any win rate north of 50% will get you to Legend due to how stars are given, but even at a 60%+ win rate it will take a ton of time to gain those stars.
I think the most visible indication of how good you are at the game, regardless of how much you play, is whether you go up in ranks as the season goes on. There are players who bounce up and down within ranks 10-15, and that's an indication that something is wrong with their game. But I think most people who poke around the internet about Hearthstone are winning players at those ranks, just due to that investment, and they may not make the time investment in the actual game to reach the level of the ladder where they're splitting their games 50-50.
In some seasons, I've put a ton of time into the game and gotten Legend. But every other season, even one where I was on vacation and didn't play for a couple weeks, I gained progressively higher ranks until season end.
Legend itself is not a big tell because with a significant amount of time investment, even a mediocre player can reach it.
Say if you have a 55% win rate, it will take you about 420 games from rank 17 to legend. Given an average game duration is about 10 minutes, that's 4200 minutes, which is 70 hours. That's about 2.5 hours per day, which is not a thing for students but is a quite time investment for people who are working. You can easily get 55% win rate by netdecking a Face Hunter and go face while doing something else.
Your average win rate is a better tell. If you have 60% win rate, you're a really good player and if you have 70%+ win rate, then you're at pro-gamer's level.
What a joke, i was done after reading the first sentence. Yes legend is a huge accomplishment and no not your average joe will reach legend even if they have no life.
I think it depends a lot on the type of person you are. I think most people that are determined to reach legend with work and a modest amount of skill will get to legend at some point. Many people even start with these things but once you take into what this game is what it is not and what you enjoy doing with your day many people just stop caring. I end most seasons around the rank 4 to 3 area. I have no doubt I would get legend if I tried hard enough but the motivation is not their.
I actually reached it for the first time this season because I was able to play on my phone and the extra toilet time was enough to finally push me over the edge.
Legend itself is not a big tell because with a significant amount of time investment, even a mediocre player can reach it.
Say if you have a 55% win rate, it will take you about 420 games from rank 17 to legend. Given an average game duration is about 10 minutes, that's 4200 minutes, which is 70 hours. That's about 2.5 hours per day, which is not a thing for students but is a quite time investment for people who are working. You can easily get 55% win rate by netdecking a Face Hunter and go face while doing something else.
Your average win rate is a better tell. If you have 60% win rate, you're a really good player and if you have 70%+ win rate, then you're at pro-gamer's level.
What a joke, i was done after reading the first sentence. Yes legend is a huge accomplishment and no not your average joe will reach legend even if they have no life.
If you think my argument is a joke, please tell me why it is.
I have a friend who first started play about a week after a season started and managed to reach legend right before that season ends. Yes, he did spent quite a bit of money buying packs but if you think that's a huge accomplishment, then your level of "accomplishment" is way too low.
True, anyone with a positive win-rate will reach Legend, given the time. But maintaining a positive win rate through all the ranks up to legend is definitely an accomplishment that a "mediocre" player isn't capable of. The dictionary defines that term as being anywhere from "not very good" to "ordinary" to "average", with "average" possibly being the most favorable definition of that term, mathematically. And because a positive win-rate is necessary, a player who is "average" from ranks 1-5 will by definition never make it to Legend. Not to mention that even being average against that field needs quite a bit stronger play than being average against the 30 million Hearthstone players worldwide.
pls, getting to legend and skill have nothing to do with each other. its all about time and RNG luck in matchmaking mulligans and draws nothing more nothing less. i know countless legendary players who play terribly and make tons of mistakes. even these famous what so called streamers miss obvious lethals or make stupid mistakes from time to time.
the difficult part of legend is getting it with a homemade (inconsistent) deck but i can assure you almost no one gets legend with a homemade deck. also i believe all these decklists here on this site who claim legend with mech druid, majordomo arigato control and crap are all fake. they got to rank 1 with a netdeck and then they played for the last game the crap deck they wanted to promote and then they show you a pic with the deck winning and getting legend.
It shows analytical thinking. Untill rank ~5 you can play half your games mindlessly with some net decks and still win. It requires taking notes, checking statistics and generally to work methodically. But don't bother if you dont have all the cards that you need.
the only reason im playing ranked is to farm for golden heroes and i have tons of time available. if i didnt have time i can assure you its way easier to take the new hybrid hunter on casual and farm 100 gold in 2-3 hours. cause most decks on casual are homemade aka inconsistent and people there are not tryhards as much as in legend or in high ranks, so hybrid hunter on casual for me has like idk 80% winrate and in ranked it has slightly like 55%, but my point is even at high ranked if you get a proven netdeck from a serious streamer and you know how to play this game theres no way in hell to have a below 50% winrate except you are terribly unlucky
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So I've been noticing a lot of people in the forum saying, "yeah I reached legend with xxx deck" or something along those lines, and honestly I saw it a lot more than I thought. Especially since I had read an article (http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/15955974/hearthside-chat-youre-better-than-you-think-9-18-2014) saying that legend was only the top .5% of players. So is legend really that big a deal or should I be more embarrassed that I haven't gotten there yet?
Only 40% of people playing make it to i think rank 16. Reaching legendary IMO is a bigger deal every time you do it and with a different deck. Also keep in mind that the time it will take you to reach legendary you could probably wrap 2-3 console games in that time, so you should def. focus on having fun more over than being "Special"
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The people on this forum are not a randomized sample of all Hearthstone players.
But 30 million players * 0.005 = 150k legend players.
"Special" is a subjective concept, so take this information however you want.
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Reaching Legend is a huge deal. You are among a very, very small elite in proportion to the total amount of people who play the game at any capacity. The fact you see people claiming they're legend frequently on this site is, I think, a combination of 2 things:
1. Many of them are lying.
2. Websites like this where we discuss the game and deckbuilding in depth is bound to attract more "serious", competitive players and so Legend rank players do actually frequent these sites.
I think the thing about hitting legend is the time it takes. It takes a lot of time to hit legend. I have had seasons where I hit the rank 5 or lower, but that is only when I dedicate myself to a deck for extended periods of time. That gets boring to me. If I really spent the time, I could probably get there. But I want to have a life outside of Hearthstone and I like playing fun decks in ranked to see how they stack up.
Reaching Legend rank is an indication of A) your commitment to learning how to win against other players on any given day, B) the available time you have to play the game, and C) your attention span.
I caught the tail and of a Twitch stream on the first day of May, where a player called Xixo was the first to reach Legend rank this season. It took him something like 16 hours (assuming he started at midnight, might have been less) to get it, playing the same strong deck for probably 150-250 games.
This is someone who plays Hearthstone for a living, studied the "metagame" enough to pick the strongest deck on that particular day, and was able to maintain focus for ~16 consecutive hours.
You too can get Legend, but it will require A, B, and C above. I personally lack sufficient quantities of all three, ending each season around rank 5 or so.
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I think getting legend is overrated. I got legend with three netdecks; zoolock, tempo Mage, and midrange Pally, and the accomplishment feeling faded really fast.
I think it would be better if the season was longer and there are separate leagues within legend with perhaps relegation. Being in a top 200 legend league would be special, netdecking and making rank 2,000 and calling yourself a top tier player is not a significant accomplishment IMO.
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Reaching legend rank is not that special. A player at legend rank isn't necessarily "better" than anyone at low ranks in general. It's difficult for the average person simply because of the time investment required. If you have a job and/or school or a life basically, it's pretty unrealistic.
Personally, I find that grinding the same deck for hours on end takes away from the fun of the game. I play pretty casually (1-2 hours/day), with arena, and daily quests and I own most of the cards having spent very little money on the game and usually end up at around rank 3-5 every season. Maybe if the reward for reaching legend was something more worthwhile then I would consider it.
If by special you mean 'needing to wear a helmet', then yes..it is special.
Legend itself is not a big tell because with a significant amount of time investment, even a mediocre player can reach it.
Say if you have a 55% win rate, it will take you about 420 games from rank 17 to legend. Given an average game duration is about 10 minutes, that's 4200 minutes, which is 70 hours. That's about 2.5 hours per day, which is not a thing for students but is a quite time investment for people who are working. You can easily get 55% win rate by netdecking a Face Hunter and go face while doing something else.
Your average win rate is a better tell. If you have 60% win rate, you're a really good player and if you have 70%+ win rate, then you're at pro-gamer's level.
Meta changes the moment you switch your deck.
This. I get bored after about an hour or two. Maybe someday I will go after Legend for kicks, but I don't see that day anywhere on the calendar thus far.
I like that article. This gaming culture is strange in that sooooo many people watch VOD's, and that becomes their definition of "good". But really, getting Legend is a combination of both volume and win-rate, and "skill" is best measured by win-rate only. A ton of people play Ranked to pilot a deck they like and clear quests, without any further goal. They won't make legend, but they may or may not have a high win rate. As stated above, a 60% win rate is super sick, and any win rate north of 50% will get you to Legend due to how stars are given, but even at a 60%+ win rate it will take a ton of time to gain those stars.
I think the most visible indication of how good you are at the game, regardless of how much you play, is whether you go up in ranks as the season goes on. There are players who bounce up and down within ranks 10-15, and that's an indication that something is wrong with their game. But I think most people who poke around the internet about Hearthstone are winning players at those ranks, just due to that investment, and they may not make the time investment in the actual game to reach the level of the ladder where they're splitting their games 50-50.
In some seasons, I've put a ton of time into the game and gotten Legend. But every other season, even one where I was on vacation and didn't play for a couple weeks, I gained progressively higher ranks until season end.
What a joke, i was done after reading the first sentence. Yes legend is a huge accomplishment and no not your average joe will reach legend even if they have no life.
I think it depends a lot on the type of person you are. I think most people that are determined to reach legend with work and a modest amount of skill will get to legend at some point. Many people even start with these things but once you take into what this game is what it is not and what you enjoy doing with your day many people just stop caring. I end most seasons around the rank 4 to 3 area. I have no doubt I would get legend if I tried hard enough but the motivation is not their.
I actually reached it for the first time this season because I was able to play on my phone and the extra toilet time was enough to finally push me over the edge.
If you think my argument is a joke, please tell me why it is.
I have a friend who first started play about a week after a season started and managed to reach legend right before that season ends. Yes, he did spent quite a bit of money buying packs but if you think that's a huge accomplishment, then your level of "accomplishment" is way too low.
Meta changes the moment you switch your deck.
I think both of you are right.
True, anyone with a positive win-rate will reach Legend, given the time. But maintaining a positive win rate through all the ranks up to legend is definitely an accomplishment that a "mediocre" player isn't capable of. The dictionary defines that term as being anywhere from "not very good" to "ordinary" to "average", with "average" possibly being the most favorable definition of that term, mathematically. And because a positive win-rate is necessary, a player who is "average" from ranks 1-5 will by definition never make it to Legend. Not to mention that even being average against that field needs quite a bit stronger play than being average against the 30 million Hearthstone players worldwide.
pls, getting to legend and skill have nothing to do with each other. its all about time and RNG luck in matchmaking mulligans and draws nothing more nothing less. i know countless legendary players who play terribly and make tons of mistakes. even these famous what so called streamers miss obvious lethals or make stupid mistakes from time to time.
the difficult part of legend is getting it with a homemade (inconsistent) deck but i can assure you almost no one gets legend with a homemade deck. also i believe all these decklists here on this site who claim legend with mech druid, majordomo arigato control and crap are all fake. they got to rank 1 with a netdeck and then they played for the last game the crap deck they wanted to promote and then they show you a pic with the deck winning and getting legend.
It shows analytical thinking. Untill rank ~5 you can play half your games mindlessly with some net decks and still win. It requires taking notes, checking statistics and generally to work methodically. But don't bother if you dont have all the cards that you need.
the only reason im playing ranked is to farm for golden heroes and i have tons of time available. if i didnt have time i can assure you its way easier to take the new hybrid hunter on casual and farm 100 gold in 2-3 hours. cause most decks on casual are homemade aka inconsistent and people there are not tryhards as much as in legend or in high ranks, so hybrid hunter on casual for me has like idk 80% winrate and in ranked it has slightly like 55%, but my point is even at high ranked if you get a proven netdeck from a serious streamer and you know how to play this game theres no way in hell to have a below 50% winrate except you are terribly unlucky