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What angers me more is when the opponent knows that he is pretty much doomed and he purposely delays to make any decision and end his turn.
"You betrayed our people to forge your fragile alliances and I will take great pleasure in tearing them apart."
I usually start by greeting the opponent. I say "Well Played" when he actually does some good plays (instead of spamming it), and say sorry when the RNG hurts them.
If you're legit to your opponent, when you say Well Played to them in the end, they won't think you're BM-ing them. Quite a few players actually reply with a Thank You or a Well Played themselves.
Depends on your region and "local gaming scene".
Ask anyone in my store they all agree: Saying "Well played" as winner first is always considered bad sportsmanship.
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I personally mean it with Good Intentions. Never in spite, I do prefer it when someone says well played and then ends the game.
Its not like League where someone says Easy when they win - thats just pure toxic.
Yepp, it is always a case of good/bad manners.
Most find it rude to not say it as the loser at all, if it is obvious you lose.
But as winner, never say it first (or at all), it is also considered "bad".
Here it just translates to a nicer version of: "I'm aware of you having outplayed me. I concede."
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In my view, "Thank You" should probably be replaced with "Good Game." Good Game works so well in other games like Starcraft because it's neutral. You're just saying that the game you played was good. "Well Played," however, says something about the other player. So in Starcraft you might say "GG WP" because not only was the game good (you always say that), but they played particularly well. "Well Played" on its own in Hearthstone can become almost insulting when someone loses in a one-sided game because that player knows that they didn't play particularly well.
"Thank You" really has no place in the game. What are you thanking your opponent for? Every thank you is usually after some mistake on the other player's part, and makes you look like a jerk. GG would be a much better option.
I didn't think of that situation, and I agree with you. That might be one of the few cases where "Thank You" makes sense.
I just ignore most emotes and only rarely use them after a particularly good game or good play from my opponent. The most irritating thing to me is when players start spamming "thank you" and "sorry" in inappropriate situations, and that's one of the cases where I concentrate a lot on the game to find the optimal plays and hopefully punish them by beating them.
PS. I agree that a "good game" emote and the option to squelch all opponents would be very welcome additions
I'm so glad there is prejudice against playing hunter/zoo/[insert FotM deck here]. People like that make the life so much easier for those of us who play to win.
I think replacing "Thank you" with another emote would be appropriate. It's so rare to see that emote being used non-offensively. Also locking "Greetings" after a couple of turns seems logical. The only use for it later in the game is to annoy an opponent. Such a change might just cure "well met" desease.
PS Actually there are "Good Game" emotes present for all classes on hearthhead.com. Does that mean they are datamined from the client and might soon be added to the game?
http://www.hearthhead.com/card=637/jaina-proudmoore
Maybe "Greetings" could turn into "Good Game" after the first few turns? That is, assuming "Thank You" has a valid reason to stick around.
Doesn't matter if I've won by a landslide or lost by one, I always try to get a Well Played in at the end of a match. I find it really bad sportsmanship when an opponent concedes without a WP or, even worse, when you get "Your opponent has left the game". I like to shake hands with and/or congratulate the other player/s after a game of anything, whether it's Magic, HS, or Ticket to Ride, irrelevant of who won, and WP is the only real way you can do it in this game. "Greetings" is for saying hello or seeing if your opponent went AFK(Hello? Still there?), "Sorry" "Oops" and "Thank You" are arrogant/Trollish unless in response to something specific, and "Threaten" is for taunting.
Are only the losing players in HS allowed to offer a handshake?
Imagine you were watching a game of Football or Soccer or whatever IRL sport you're into. Now imagine if, in the last 30 seconds of the game, the losing team just walked off the playing field. In HS, to me, the equivalent is conceding the game without so much as a Well Played. You refuse to let your opponent win a clean game, so you instead give up. I find it a sign of disrespect to the winner. It's as though the loser is saying "You didn't really win because of your skill, I let you win. I ended the game on *my* terms, not yours."
A Well Played with a Concede at least recognizes that your opponent just played better or got better draws.
A Well Played with a win recognizes that your opponent played well, and maybe got bad draws or was just an inexperienced player.
So what do you expect to hear if your opponent went AFK? If he's AFK, he won't hear you, if he's here, you interfere in his thinking process. I don't see any valid reason for using "Greetings" mid-game. I actually really like the solution to change "Greetings" to "Good Game" a couple of turns into the game.
I'm sure the majority of the players concede instead of letting the opponent finish the game not as a sign of disrespect, but rather because many players tend to show off and rub their win into opponent's face. E.g. if they have lethal on the board, they'd start drawing cards, using unnecessary spells and all that stuff. I know that some people do that to meet quest requirements, but usually it's obviously showing off how far ahead they are at the end of the match. It's quite annoying. That said, I find it a little rude when a winning opponent emotes Well Played first, it's looks kinda patronizing.
I'm sorry that you guys misunderstood what "well played" means. But please don't make a big deal out of your misunderstanding of how most people use this emote which Blizzard obviously had a good reason of implementing in the game.
Also, it's bad mannered that you think its bad mannered for a winner to say well played first. It's arrogant to say "WP" before the game's victor is decided; It's commonplace to say "WP" before you swing if it is your turn and you have lethal. Well played is just said to say that you played well. Why can't the winner complement that the loser has played well?
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Lol what ignorance. Well played is equivalent to a "gg" which is good manners.
I don't think it has anything to do with any "local gaming scene". I've played several thousand games of HS and it's very common for either player to give a Well Played once the outcome has been established. IMHO the only time Well Played is rude is after your opponent makes a bad error.
No, manners, gestures, sportsmanship always depends on local preferences.
There are rulesets for larger tournaments to "even out", but there are no general rules of thumb.
You can see that by just looking at some streamers:
Some will always say "Well played" first whenever they finish a game (no matter if they won or not)
Others will only say "Well played" if indeed the opponent made a good game, they won't answer you otherwise.
And some will wait for you saying "Well played" first, if you lost the game.
And then there are the Trashtalkers ... they just ... talk ... trash.
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Let me put this into perspective.
You are getting upset over someone whom you suspect to have said "well played" sarcastically when:
Have you ever heard of gracing someone with benefit of the doubt? The same people who flag-wave about this game being toxic is facilitating toxicity.
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Although I think you are not talking to me, I just want to emphasize something:
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I don't think streamers are representative since they are playing for hours and hours on end and most of them seem like jerks who overkill their opponents regularly or use rude emotes. And not to get overly hungup on the term "local" but it basically loses all meaning if we extend it to the entire NA/EU community where the vast majority of my opponents seem to follow the same basic courtesies:
(1) Both emote Greetings at the start.
(2) Both emote Well played once the winner is assured, no particular order.
It's possible I'm completely out of touch but it's also possible that some people are perceiving the lack of extra-politeness as rudeness.
To me this thread is not about whining but about learning how different people interpret an incredibly limited set of phrases used to communicate. For those who say that "Well Played" is the equivalent of a "GG" at the end of a Starcraft match, you are reading into that and seeing a meaning that isn't found in the words. And even if you take it to mean "GG," it would still be inappropriate to use it first as the winner.
I think that it makes someone look smug when they say "Well Played" before swinging for lethal, rather than waiting for a WP from the losing player. Whether or not they actually are smug is irrelevant. How could I possibly know how nice that person actually is with only 6 emotes? I can't read their facial expressions or anything else to get a different understanding of the words they are using. So why are people wrong to view it that way? You might have a different perception than me on this point, but then we're just discussing perceptions, not a right way or wrong way to view things.