Whenever I create post pointing out to tier 1 consisted only of aggro, this is what I got:
- usual "salt thread" annoying post
- i have no clue about HS and I must be Rank 20, because there is Warrior! (I am rank 5, legend a lot of times, Warrior is nor tier 1 according to hsreplay, metastats etc.)
- that I won't be missed after quitting etc.
I wouldn't mark any post as "discussion" and when I am reading recent topics, it is hard to find any discussion actually. Is community getting down with quality like HS, basically following quality curve?
No, it was always the same. That's what happens when the target audience for the game is made up of 12 year-olds.
Too easy to dismiss the OP because of past 'transgressions', while what he is trying to say is fundamentally correct. Too easy to demand 'evidence', while after 5 years it slapping us daily in the face. Easy to hide behind 'why are you here'- retoric, while keeping unbalances and other unethicalities unchecked, even defend them.
It is easy to dismiss him. Whether or not there's a topic that warrants real discussion here, I have no interest in engaging a person acting in bad faith. There are literally hundreds of threads saying the same things, and they are often better written and less whiny. Why would I waste the time?
It is easy to demand evidence, because I know where to go to get contrary evidence (it takes all of 15 seconds). He makes the claim that tier 1 consists of "only aggro" at a time when we know one of the strongest decks is Control Warrior in all it's various forms. When someone is willing to shape a narrative around such obviously flawed premises, it is an insult to the intelligence of the readers.
It is not hiding to ask why someone would take the time to write such a post. There is nothing constructive going on there, so you can't "hide" behind the idea that he is trying to provide criticism in the hope of change. Personally, I would appreciate an earnest answer regarding why someone finds that an entertaining use of time. Who are you to decide which questions warrant answers?
Most importantly of all, the balance of a card game is not a problem of ethics. Can we all exercise a tad bit of perspective here?
Looking at your avatar your moral outlook in life is for everybody to see. Subsequent your social Darwinism is well noted. Although the OP is somewhat confused, deride him doesn't make you the smart one.To the contrary, as the content of he's trying to say is indisputably correct.
I disputed it.
Out of curiosity, if a Trump avatar connotes social Darwinism, what does the Darkwing Duck avatar provide in the way of psychological insight?
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Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
Too easy to dismiss the OP because of past 'transgressions', while what he is trying to say is fundamentally correct. Too easy to demand 'evidence', while after 5 years it slapping us daily in the face. Easy to hide behind 'why are you here'- retoric, while keeping unbalances and other unethicalities unchecked, even defend them.
It is easy to dismiss him. Whether or not there's a topic that warrants real discussion here, I have no interest in engaging a person acting in bad faith. There are literally hundreds of threads saying the same things, and they are often better written and less whiny. Why would I waste the time?
It is easy to demand evidence, because I know where to go to get contrary evidence (it takes all of 15 seconds). He makes the claim that tier 1 consists of "only aggro" at a time when we know one of the strongest decks is Control Warrior in all it's various forms. When someone is willing to shape a narrative around such obviously flawed premises, it is an insult to the intelligence of the readers.
It is not hiding to ask why someone would take the time to write such a post. There is nothing constructive going on there, so you can't "hide" behind the idea that he is trying to provide criticism in the hope of change. Personally, I would appreciate an earnest answer regarding why someone finds that an entertaining use of time. Who are you to decide which questions warrant answers?
Most importantly of all, the balance of a card game is not a problem of ethics. Can we all exercise a tad bit of perspective here?
Looking at your avatar your moral outlook in life is for everybody to see. Subsequent your social Darwinism is well noted. Although the OP is somewhat confused, deride him doesn't make you the smart one.To the contrary, as the content of he's trying to say is indisputably correct.
I disputed it.
Out of curiosity, if a Trump avatar connotes social Darwinism, what does the Darkwing Duck avatar provide in the way of psychological insight?
Dude.. you know what they say about people who argue on the net.. and now it's devolved over choice of picture for an avatar... I suggest you both take a breath and walk away from this argument as you both look really bad.
That wasn't an argument, it was a question. And one that does not involve shortness of breath.
If one picture is significant, I'm sure another is as well.
Btw, why Pacman ghosts?
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Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
The problem is most people don't want a back and forth logical discussion about 90% of the things they talk about. They want a sounding board where they can insist that their feelings and opinions are objective and close down logical points that defeat their argument in many cases.
It gets pretty predictable not only which topics or threads will result in this, but even some occasional posters on the forums as well. I don't usually blame people for responding in a toxic manner, even if their toxicity is for different reasons.
Whenever I create post pointing out to tier 1 consisted only of aggro, this is what I got:
- usual "salt thread" annoying post
- i have no clue about HS and I must be Rank 20, because there is Warrior! (I am rank 5, legend a lot of times, Warrior is nor tier 1 according to hsreplay, metastats etc.)
- that I won't be missed after quitting etc.
I wouldn't mark any post as "discussion" and when I am reading recent topics, it is hard to find any discussion actually. Is community getting down with quality like HS, basically following quality curve?
I dont know you and i dont know about your threads probably (or i know? i have bad memory for somethings anyway) but even if you have some reason about people being toxic which is pretty hard to tell because "toxic" is a very diverse concept well in my opinion you are toxic too. You literally open a thread without nothing more to said that "this game is just agro agro agro agro and one control deck so i will uninstall the game" that no sounds like something that you said when you like a game.
People here is not the best i mean just look me. I dont talk english properly so is hard for me to explain myself for example, that should be very annoying for half of the people that read my posts but still no one is telling me something like "oh god learn some english or begon plz" or something like that. My point: "even here" people can be tolerant but, how can they be tolerant with someone that open a thread only for despice the game they like?
This game is not perfect, there is not perfect card games. Sometimes is pretty annoying like the como meta when Druid literally only play one core package with different win conditions and that were all their decks (and all of them were good enough to be tier 2 to 1) and what the other options were? more combo decks Mage combo, Priest combo, Shaman "combo", Paladin combo and only 3 agro decks (zoo, odd pala, tempo rogue). One of the worst meta in this game literally atleast for me.
in that time there was a lot of threads about that being a problem and even that this people that you call "toxic" were open to talk and give their opinions. Maybe you are not wrong, maybe there is a lot of toxic people here, i cant tell but you are way more toxic and the reason is pretty simple: you dont like this game and talk only to prove that "this game is bad and is just about agro" there is nothing to learn about that type of talking. Sorry.
The problem is most people don't want a back and forth logical discussion about 90% of the things they talk about. They want a sounding board where they can insist that their feelings and opinions are objective and close down logical points that defeat their argument in many cases.
That, to me, is the main purpose of the rant thread. It provides a place where you get to sound out your issues and not have to worry about counterarguments. Sometimes people want a discussion and to logically sort through matters. Sometimes people just want to be able to express their emotions and yell into the wind. Both elements are valid and important for people to have.
The rant board existing means that we can assume that posts outside of it want logical discussion while posts inside of it want the sounding board. Thus I feel acceptable to support, critique, and generally throw 10 page essays at posts here while leaving all posts inside at peace. I also know that if I DO have a bad day a the game I have a place where I can write what I want without worrying about pissing of, or being pissed off, by the community who is forced to read it.
Too easy to dismiss the OP because of past 'transgressions', while what he is trying to say is fundamentally correct. Too easy to demand 'evidence', while after 5 years it slapping us daily in the face. Easy to hide behind 'why are you here'- retoric, while keeping unbalances and other unethicalities unchecked, even defend them.
It is easy to dismiss him. Whether or not there's a topic that warrants real discussion here, I have no interest in engaging a person acting in bad faith. There are literally hundreds of threads saying the same things, and they are often better written and less whiny. Why would I waste the time?
It is easy to demand evidence, because I know where to go to get contrary evidence (it takes all of 15 seconds). He makes the claim that tier 1 consists of "only aggro" at a time when we know one of the strongest decks is Control Warrior in all it's various forms. When someone is willing to shape a narrative around such obviously flawed premises, it is an insult to the intelligence of the readers.
It is not hiding to ask why someone would take the time to write such a post. There is nothing constructive going on there, so you can't "hide" behind the idea that he is trying to provide criticism in the hope of change. Personally, I would appreciate an earnest answer regarding why someone finds that an entertaining use of time. Who are you to decide which questions warrant answers?
Most importantly of all, the balance of a card game is not a problem of ethics. Can we all exercise a tad bit of perspective here?
Looking at your avatar your moral outlook in life is for everybody to see. Subsequent your social Darwinism is well noted. Although the OP is somewhat confused, deride him doesn't make you the smart one.To the contrary, as the content of he's trying to say is indisputably correct.
I disputed it.
Out of curiosity, if a Trump avatar connotes social Darwinism, what does the Darkwing Duck avatar provide in the way of psychological insight?
Out of interest, what on earth compelled you to drag me into your little argument? Or does a cartoon character from 90's kids television trigger you that much? Hmm?
Too easy to dismiss the OP because of past 'transgressions', while what he is trying to say is fundamentally correct. Too easy to demand 'evidence', while after 5 years it slapping us daily in the face. Easy to hide behind 'why are you here'- retoric, while keeping unbalances and other unethicalities unchecked, even defend them.
It is easy to dismiss him. Whether or not there's a topic that warrants real discussion here, I have no interest in engaging a person acting in bad faith. There are literally hundreds of threads saying the same things, and they are often better written and less whiny. Why would I waste the time?
It is easy to demand evidence, because I know where to go to get contrary evidence (it takes all of 15 seconds). He makes the claim that tier 1 consists of "only aggro" at a time when we know one of the strongest decks is Control Warrior in all it's various forms. When someone is willing to shape a narrative around such obviously flawed premises, it is an insult to the intelligence of the readers.
It is not hiding to ask why someone would take the time to write such a post. There is nothing constructive going on there, so you can't "hide" behind the idea that he is trying to provide criticism in the hope of change. Personally, I would appreciate an earnest answer regarding why someone finds that an entertaining use of time. Who are you to decide which questions warrant answers?
Most importantly of all, the balance of a card game is not a problem of ethics. Can we all exercise a tad bit of perspective here?
Looking at your avatar your moral outlook in life is for everybody to see. Subsequent your social Darwinism is well noted. Although the OP is somewhat confused, deride him doesn't make you the smart one.To the contrary, as the content of he's trying to say is indisputably correct.
I disputed it.
Out of curiosity, if a Trump avatar connotes social Darwinism, what does the Darkwing Duck avatar provide in the way of psychological insight?
Out of interest, what on earth compelled you to drag me into your little argument? Or does a cartoon character from 90's kids television trigger you that much? Hmm?
Trump- style reasoning. Truly deserving his avatar. Confusion and fake-isms. Way to go.
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Whenever I create post pointing out to tier 1 consisted only of aggro, this is what I got:
- usual "salt thread" annoying post
- i have no clue about HS and I must be Rank 20, because there is Warrior! (I am rank 5, legend a lot of times, Warrior is nor tier 1 according to hsreplay, metastats etc.)
- that I won't be missed after quitting etc.
I wouldn't mark any post as "discussion" and when I am reading recent topics, it is hard to find any discussion actually. Is community getting down with quality like HS, basically following quality curve?
I agree that you will find a lot of posts like this.
I guess for some people it is hard to tell the difference between addressing a problem, noting a powerful deck, and complaining. most people just assume it is the third one.
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Rejoice, for even in death, you have become children of Thanos.
Just lock this already. The level of discussion the people in this thread are capable of is clearly very minimal. Save everyone some time and just end it.
You were the first avatar I saw after reading his analysis of my psyche based on an avatar. Nothing more or less than that.
I don't really know why you were offended. If anything, I'd assume you'd be on board with the idea that avatars don't really reveal deep psychological insights into people on gaming forums.
@Hoog
You've degenerated from "unethicalities" to "fake-isms" in two posts. Don't mistake what I'm saying, you were wrong from the beginning . . . but at least you dressed it up better.
Your second post in this thread stated "Too easy to demand 'evidence', while after 5 years it slapping us daily in the face". I have no idea what 5 years in the past has to do with today's meta, but I rightly pointed out that the OP is just objectively incorrect about the meta being solely comprised of aggro decks. I have no idea where Trump came into that discussion, but you can't take the simplest L, so I guess somehow we have to pivot to politics?
Never ceases to amaze me how triggered some people get by that picture, and believe it or not, that was not my intent when picking it. I just thought it was a goofy face. But, now that I've seen the power it has to knock people off their rhetoric game . . . Make Hearthpwn Great Again.
Helpful Clarification on Forbidden Topics for Hearthstone Forums:
Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
Helpful Clarification on Forbidden Topics for Hearthstone Forums:
Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
You were the first avatar I saw after reading his analysis of my psyche based on an avatar. Nothing more or less than that.
I don't really know why you were offended. If anything, I'd assume you'd be on board with the idea that avatars don't really reveal deep psychological insights into people on gaming forums.
@Hoog
You've degenerated from "unethicalities" to "fake-isms" in two posts. Don't mistake what I'm saying, you were wrong from the beginning . . . but at least you dressed it up better.
Your second post in this thread stated "Too easy to demand 'evidence', while after 5 years it slapping us daily in the face". I have no idea what 5 years in the past has to do with today's meta, but I rightly pointed out that the OP is just objectively incorrect about the meta being solely comprised of aggro decks. I have no idea where Trump came into that discussion, but you can't take the simplest L, so I guess somehow we have to pivot to politics?
Never ceases to amaze me how triggered some people get by that picture, and believe it or not, that was not my intent when picking it. I just thought it was a goofy face. But, now that I've seen the power it has to knock people off their rhetoric game . . . Make Hearthpwn Great Again.
Good advice: look for something else. Association with Trump. Not good for your credibility.
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You were the first avatar I saw after reading his analysis of my psyche based on an avatar. Nothing more or less than that.
I don't really know why you were offended. If anything, I'd assume you'd be on board with the idea that avatars don't really reveal deep psychological insights into people on gaming forums.
Of course - I don't believe avatars mean anything more than something fun to express yourself with. Thinking otherwise seems a little odd. It was the way that your post came across that made me wonder why mine was being brought up. I wasn't offended at all - more bemused. If there was nothing intended by it, then no worries - apologies for the misunderstanding. Personally, I have no problem with pictures of Trump, myself. Though it is amusing to watch people over-react to him, like he's the antichrist or something. But that's a convo for another forum... ;-)
F YOU.. we are not toxic.
No, it was always the same. That's what happens when the target audience for the game is made up of 12 year-olds.
I disputed it.
Out of curiosity, if a Trump avatar connotes social Darwinism, what does the Darkwing Duck avatar provide in the way of psychological insight?
Helpful Clarification on Forbidden Topics for Hearthstone Forums:
Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
Dude.. you know what they say about people who argue on the net.. and now it's devolved over choice of picture for an avatar... I suggest you both take a breath and walk away from this argument as you both look really bad.
That wasn't an argument, it was a question. And one that does not involve shortness of breath.
If one picture is significant, I'm sure another is as well.
Btw, why Pacman ghosts?
Helpful Clarification on Forbidden Topics for Hearthstone Forums:
Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
Your unwarranted self-importance doesn't mean the community is toxic, famalam.
The problem is most people don't want a back and forth logical discussion about 90% of the things they talk about. They want a sounding board where they can insist that their feelings and opinions are objective and close down logical points that defeat their argument in many cases.
It gets pretty predictable not only which topics or threads will result in this, but even some occasional posters on the forums as well. I don't usually blame people for responding in a toxic manner, even if their toxicity is for different reasons.
I dont know you and i dont know about your threads probably (or i know? i have bad memory for somethings anyway) but even if you have some reason about people being toxic which is pretty hard to tell because "toxic" is a very diverse concept well in my opinion you are toxic too. You literally open a thread without nothing more to said that "this game is just agro agro agro agro and one control deck so i will uninstall the game" that no sounds like something that you said when you like a game.
People here is not the best i mean just look me. I dont talk english properly so is hard for me to explain myself for example, that should be very annoying for half of the people that read my posts but still no one is telling me something like "oh god learn some english or begon plz" or something like that. My point: "even here" people can be tolerant but, how can they be tolerant with someone that open a thread only for despice the game they like?
This game is not perfect, there is not perfect card games. Sometimes is pretty annoying like the como meta when Druid literally only play one core package with different win conditions and that were all their decks (and all of them were good enough to be tier 2 to 1) and what the other options were? more combo decks Mage combo, Priest combo, Shaman "combo", Paladin combo and only 3 agro decks (zoo, odd pala, tempo rogue). One of the worst meta in this game literally atleast for me.
in that time there was a lot of threads about that being a problem and even that this people that you call "toxic" were open to talk and give their opinions. Maybe you are not wrong, maybe there is a lot of toxic people here, i cant tell but you are way more toxic and the reason is pretty simple: you dont like this game and talk only to prove that "this game is bad and is just about agro" there is nothing to learn about that type of talking. Sorry.
That, to me, is the main purpose of the rant thread. It provides a place where you get to sound out your issues and not have to worry about counterarguments. Sometimes people want a discussion and to logically sort through matters. Sometimes people just want to be able to express their emotions and yell into the wind. Both elements are valid and important for people to have.
The rant board existing means that we can assume that posts outside of it want logical discussion while posts inside of it want the sounding board. Thus I feel acceptable to support, critique, and generally throw 10 page essays at posts here while leaving all posts inside at peace. I also know that if I DO have a bad day a the game I have a place where I can write what I want without worrying about pissing of, or being pissed off, by the community who is forced to read it.
One does not simply walk into Mordor,
unless they want to be the best they can be.
Out of interest, what on earth compelled you to drag me into your little argument?
Or does a cartoon character from 90's kids television trigger you that much?
Hmm?
Trump- style reasoning. Truly deserving his avatar. Confusion and fake-isms. Way to go.
We make our world significant through the courage of our questions and the depth of our answers.
Judging people by avatars. This is next level.
One day this game will stop existing. I can't wait.
I agree that you will find a lot of posts like this.
I guess for some people it is hard to tell the difference between addressing a problem, noting a powerful deck, and complaining. most people just assume it is the third one.
Rejoice, for even in death, you have become children of Thanos.
Just lock this already. The level of discussion the people in this thread are capable of is clearly very minimal. Save everyone some time and just end it.
@Scorpyon
You were the first avatar I saw after reading his analysis of my psyche based on an avatar. Nothing more or less than that.
I don't really know why you were offended. If anything, I'd assume you'd be on board with the idea that avatars don't really reveal deep psychological insights into people on gaming forums.
@Hoog
You've degenerated from "unethicalities" to "fake-isms" in two posts. Don't mistake what I'm saying, you were wrong from the beginning . . . but at least you dressed it up better.
Your second post in this thread stated "Too easy to demand 'evidence', while after 5 years it slapping us daily in the face". I have no idea what 5 years in the past has to do with today's meta, but I rightly pointed out that the OP is just objectively incorrect about the meta being solely comprised of aggro decks. I have no idea where Trump came into that discussion, but you can't take the simplest L, so I guess somehow we have to pivot to politics?
Never ceases to amaze me how triggered some people get by that picture, and believe it or not, that was not my intent when picking it. I just thought it was a goofy face. But, now that I've seen the power it has to knock people off their rhetoric game . . . Make Hearthpwn Great Again.
Helpful Clarification on Forbidden Topics for Hearthstone Forums:
Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
Community isn't getting more toxic...
However I am seeing an increased in these useless threads though.
Or maybe it should be: ''Is the community getting more and more sensitive?''
Perhaps. Sorry, I posted something and wanted to delete, but for some reason I can't.
Helpful Clarification on Forbidden Topics for Hearthstone Forums:
Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
Good advice: look for something else. Association with Trump. Not good for your credibility.
We make our world significant through the courage of our questions and the depth of our answers.
Of course - I don't believe avatars mean anything more than something fun to express yourself with. Thinking otherwise seems a little odd.
It was the way that your post came across that made me wonder why mine was being brought up. I wasn't offended at all - more bemused.
If there was nothing intended by it, then no worries - apologies for the misunderstanding.
Personally, I have no problem with pictures of Trump, myself. Though it is amusing to watch people over-react to him, like he's the antichrist or something. But that's a convo for another forum... ;-)