Some cards recently got nerfed and when you go to the disenchanting screen with them you'll see the following text:
"This card was recently modified, so its Disenchant value has been adjusted."
So what I'm saying is that it doesn't specify that "there must be a nerf" or "its power level been lowered" or something like that so I think technically we are supposed to get the full dust refunds from any card change, including buffs too.
Any card modified by Blizzard should give players possibility of full dust refund simply because they sold them something and alter it so the sale is no longer valid (it's up to the customer to decide if he is happy with the change or not).
It doesn't specify that you get the full dust value either, but you still get it. Likewise you will not get any dust if a card is made better. Technically, they could give it to you, but I am pretty sure they wont.
And they didn't give us dust when the mana cost of Molten Giant was reverted to 20 (Edit for clarification: they didn't give a dust refund for the change, but for moving it into the HoF).
Absolutely. The concept of "nerf" and "buff" actually do not technically exist (hold your rage and go with me...) - you can change a card in some way, but whether it is considered a nerf or buff is actually exclusively down to a subjective opinion (whether it is logical or not).
For example, if you changed Crystology from 2 mana to 3 mana, then many would call this a nerf. However an Odd Paladin player might consider it a buff - "Might", mind you. This is purely a hypothetical example, not a discussion about Crystology or what cards are good or not in Odd paladin. The point being that any change to a card could be considered to be both a nerf and a buff (or even neither) depending on personal value of the card itself.
So to swing back round to your thread point, the change to the cards are exactly that: changes. (Be them nerfs or buffs), so it would make logical sense to apply the same rules as those applied when any card is changed for the better or worse.
I feel a bit sorry for players who disenchanted trash tier cards who will now need to craft them back.
There's no need to compensate players for buffing a card. All that does is give free dust to anyone with spares, if a card gets buffed you want to try it out surely, not disenchant your only copy.
I feel a bit sorry for players who disenchanted trash tier cards who will now need to craft them back.
There's no need to compensate players for buffing a card. All that does is give free dust to anyone with spares, if a card gets buffed you want to try it out surely, not disenchant your only copy.
The only Trash Tier card I have ever disenchanted was a golden Dr. Morrigan (which was my free legendary for that expansion (Was it WW? I forget). I don't regret it, since I wanted the 1600 dust for a legendary of my choice - though I still want to make a deck that works with her in it. But I don't normally like DE any card if I don't have a spare copy of it first. That was a one-off for me though.
I think, a long time ago, Blizzard/Team 5 made that, so only nerfs to the cards are getting the full dust refund, not every change (like adding a tribe (mountain giants), changing the appearance of a card (ww grisly), animation effect (Illidan) or even buffs), even tho they didn't bother to change the red text on the nerfed cards it won't make them give away so much free dust.
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Yes, you are right. The text displayed in-game suggests that any change should warrant a full refund.
However, Team5 doesn't care about semantics. They only want to compensate players when a card has been made worse, and only IF they agree that a card has been made worse. There was no refund for Jungle Moonkin when the Beast-tag was removed, no refund for Shifter Zerus or Shifting Scroll when changes to the cards would no longer apply to their transformations (like a +1/+1 on Zerus wouldn't carry over to any minion he changes into) and they did not give a refund for Tess Greymane when she was changed for "consistency", in that her battlecry would end prematurely, should she get removed from play during the battlecry, similar to the nerf of Yogg-Saron, Hope's End. They undid the change though because the backlash was huge.
Likewise, there was no refund when, for example, Elemental-tags were added to numerous cards after the Un'Goro release - the closest thing to a "buff" we had until the recent announcements.
So yes, technically they should give a refund for buffs, but they won't, because that's not what they mean with "modified", and they can't be bothered to pick up a thesaurus.
It doesn't specify that you get the full dust value either, but you still get it. Likewise you will not get any dust if a card is made better. Technically, they could give it to you, but I am pretty sure they wont.
And they didn't give us dust when the mana cost of Molten Giant was reverted to 20.
That's because molten was Hall Of Famed so you did get your full dust back.
Any card modified by Blizzard should give players possibility of full dust refund simply because they sold them something and alter it so the sale is no longer valid (it's up to the customer to decide if he is happy with the change or not).
So yes... but using that same logic if you pay for a $60 console game & they patch it or add content or something to improve it the same thing would apply
Buffing cards may lead to "problematic" scenarios expecially for F2P players: people may disenchant trash tier card to get dust to craft something better. Now if they start buffing cards, what will they disenchant? Any bad legendary may tomorrow become core to some top tier deck.
Imho, it's not a good choice if not supported by at last a discount for the now recently buffed cards on their dust price (at last for few weeks after the changes).
Any card modified by Blizzard should give players possibility of full dust refund simply because they sold them something and alter it so the sale is no longer valid (it's up to the customer to decide if he is happy with the change or not).
I can confirm - this is 100% true.
Blizzard is simply following well-established policies in the industry. Over the past quarter-century, Wizards of the Coast has issued errata, banned or restricted hundreds of cards. Each time they've changed a card, or its legality, they've sent cheques in the mail to each of their customers, refunding their purchases. You also get a little letter of apology. Sometimes, they'll give you coupons for toiletries, or those tiny bottles of alcohol you can buy at the liquor store. They once gave me a pet hamster. I called him "Hammy." Nice guys, Wizards!
Buffing cards may lead to "problematic" scenarios expecially for F2P players: people may disenchant trash tier card to get dust to craft something better. Now if they start buffing cards, what will they disenchant? Any bad legendary may tomorrow become core to some top tier deck.
I'm F2P, but I don't disenchant any cards that I don't have spare copies of, however - THIS and 100 times THIS. Thrash cards are owned by a smaller than average proportion of players for exactly these reasons. Buffs are a new way for Bli$$ard to make people pay more for the game.
Yeah? Well on the flip side, now that the cards are "better" or "improved" they *could* charge a premium for the card. For example, if you go to buy your favourite fruit juice and notice its now " Made with REAL fruit juice (from consentrate)", you might see a new higer price for your juice because they "improved" it.
“Technically” by the Terms and conditions and end user agreement that you all agree to when you install and click confirm, Blizzard can change whatever they want whenever they want without any compensation whether it’s a nerf or a buff. They do give dust for nerfs because it’s not good form to upset customers. I really don’t see them doing it for buffs.
It doesn't specify that you get the full dust value either, but you still get it. Likewise you will not get any dust if a card is made better. Technically, they could give it to you, but I am pretty sure they wont.
And they didn't give us dust when the mana cost of Molten Giant was reverted to 20.
That's because molten was Hall Of Famed so you did get your full dust back.
True, but not in the way as nerfed cards are handled (disenchant and getting full dust value), but in the hall of fame way. Disenchanting it didn't get you full dust due to the change back to 20 mana
Some cards recently got nerfed and when you go to the disenchanting screen with them you'll see the following text:
"This card was recently modified, so its Disenchant value has been adjusted."
So what I'm saying is that it doesn't specify that "there must be a nerf" or "its power level been lowered" or something like that so I think technically we are supposed to get the full dust refunds from any card change, including buffs too.
What do you think?
Any card modified by Blizzard should give players possibility of full dust refund simply because they sold them something and alter it so the sale is no longer valid (it's up to the customer to decide if he is happy with the change or not).
It doesn't specify that you get the full dust value either, but you still get it. Likewise you will not get any dust if a card is made better. Technically, they could give it to you, but I am pretty sure they wont.
And they didn't give us dust when the mana cost of Molten Giant was reverted to 20 (Edit for clarification: they didn't give a dust refund for the change, but for moving it into the HoF).
Absolutely. The concept of "nerf" and "buff" actually do not technically exist (hold your rage and go with me...) - you can change a card in some way, but whether it is considered a nerf or buff is actually exclusively down to a subjective opinion (whether it is logical or not).
For example, if you changed Crystology from 2 mana to 3 mana, then many would call this a nerf. However an Odd Paladin player might consider it a buff - "Might", mind you. This is purely a hypothetical example, not a discussion about Crystology or what cards are good or not in Odd paladin.
The point being that any change to a card could be considered to be both a nerf and a buff (or even neither) depending on personal value of the card itself.
So to swing back round to your thread point, the change to the cards are exactly that: changes. (Be them nerfs or buffs), so it would make logical sense to apply the same rules as those applied when any card is changed for the better or worse.
I feel a bit sorry for players who disenchanted trash tier cards who will now need to craft them back.
There's no need to compensate players for buffing a card. All that does is give free dust to anyone with spares, if a card gets buffed you want to try it out surely, not disenchant your only copy.
If cards get nerfed, Blizzard gives us dust. However, if cards get buffed, do we owe Blizzard dust...?
The only Trash Tier card I have ever disenchanted was a golden Dr. Morrigan (which was my free legendary for that expansion (Was it WW? I forget). I don't regret it, since I wanted the 1600 dust for a legendary of my choice - though I still want to make a deck that works with her in it.
But I don't normally like DE any card if I don't have a spare copy of it first. That was a one-off for me though.
I think, a long time ago, Blizzard/Team 5 made that, so only nerfs to the cards are getting the full dust refund, not every change (like adding a tribe (mountain giants), changing the appearance of a card (ww grisly), animation effect (Illidan) or even buffs), even tho they didn't bother to change the red text on the nerfed cards it won't make them give away so much free dust.
“If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas.” ― George Bernard Shaw
EU Legend: S52 (ZooHeal Lock); S76 (Highlander Hunter);
Yes, you are right. The text displayed in-game suggests that any change should warrant a full refund.
However, Team5 doesn't care about semantics. They only want to compensate players when a card has been made worse, and only IF they agree that a card has been made worse. There was no refund for Jungle Moonkin when the Beast-tag was removed, no refund for Shifter Zerus or Shifting Scroll when changes to the cards would no longer apply to their transformations (like a +1/+1 on Zerus wouldn't carry over to any minion he changes into) and they did not give a refund for Tess Greymane when she was changed for "consistency", in that her battlecry would end prematurely, should she get removed from play during the battlecry, similar to the nerf of Yogg-Saron, Hope's End. They undid the change though because the backlash was huge.
Likewise, there was no refund when, for example, Elemental-tags were added to numerous cards after the Un'Goro release - the closest thing to a "buff" we had until the recent announcements.
So yes, technically they should give a refund for buffs, but they won't, because that's not what they mean with "modified", and they can't be bothered to pick up a thesaurus.
Cannot play Crystology in my wild Even Pally now. Blizz gimmie dust.
That's because molten was Hall Of Famed so you did get your full dust back.
So yes... but using that same logic if you pay for a $60 console game & they patch it or add content or something to improve it the same thing would apply
Buffing cards may lead to "problematic" scenarios expecially for F2P players: people may disenchant trash tier card to get dust to craft something better. Now if they start buffing cards, what will they disenchant? Any bad legendary may tomorrow become core to some top tier deck.
Imho, it's not a good choice if not supported by at last a discount for the now recently buffed cards on their dust price (at last for few weeks after the changes).
For what profit is it to a man, if he gains the world and loses his own soul?
I can confirm - this is 100% true.
Blizzard is simply following well-established policies in the industry. Over the past quarter-century, Wizards of the Coast has issued errata, banned or restricted hundreds of cards. Each time they've changed a card, or its legality, they've sent cheques in the mail to each of their customers, refunding their purchases. You also get a little letter of apology. Sometimes, they'll give you coupons for toiletries, or those tiny bottles of alcohol you can buy at the liquor store. They once gave me a pet hamster. I called him "Hammy." Nice guys, Wizards!
I'm F2P, but I don't disenchant any cards that I don't have spare copies of, however - THIS and 100 times THIS. Thrash cards are owned by a smaller than average proportion of players for exactly these reasons. Buffs are a new way for Bli$$ard to make people pay more for the game.
Auto squelch. That's all I'm asking for.
Yeah? Well on the flip side, now that the cards are "better" or "improved" they *could* charge a premium for the card. For example, if you go to buy your favourite fruit juice and notice its now " Made with REAL fruit juice (from consentrate)", you might see a new higer price for your juice because they "improved" it.
This could apply here too. :)
“Technically” by the Terms and conditions and end user agreement that you all agree to when you install and click confirm, Blizzard can change whatever they want whenever they want without any compensation whether it’s a nerf or a buff. They do give dust for nerfs because it’s not good form to upset customers. I really don’t see them doing it for buffs.
True, but not in the way as nerfed cards are handled (disenchant and getting full dust value), but in the hall of fame way. Disenchanting it didn't get you full dust due to the change back to 20 mana
nice try...
they should also send you flowers